Posted by fishmike:

Posted by gunsnewing:

Posted by martin:

Posted by fishmike:

Lee, Curry, Frye and JJ all suck on the boards. Not from lack of effort, but the group as a whole has absolutely ZERO technique. None of them box out or know how to put a body on guys. They all rely on height, size or athleticism to board, and at this level good technique is more effective.

WOW. Lee is a very good rebounder from what I have seen and Frye is not that bad. Watch those 2 more closely.

yeah have you been watching the games Fish! Lee is a rebounding machine and Frye has been a pleasant surprise! I definitely agree that Lee is more suited for the running 2nd unit with Crawford and Nate. Frye is going to have to become a good rebounder playing next to Curry but I think he will be. He did average 7 in fewer minutes in College. JJ replaces Currry and Lee & AD replaces Frye. I really do not want Crawford and Marbury starting together! We need shooting and Q is our best option. Hell I would go Nate, Marbury, Q before I start Crawford!

PG-Marbury
SG-Q
SF-Ariza
PF-Frye
C-Curry

or

PG-Nate
SG-MArbury
SF-Q
PF-Frye
C-Curry

Guns, Martin.. I have watched very closely. I have no concern about Frye and Lee becoming good rebounders. Both work VERY hard and attack the ball, but I dont think either are any good right now. They are often out of position. They dont box out well, they let opposing players get hip to hip to them, putting them at the mercy of the bounce.

Watch this next time. Watch how many times balls go up, yet there is a crowd under the basket. Watch how many times those guys jump but can only get one hand on the ball, or they wind up jumping away from it. We have been spoiled by guys like Oak, Ewing and even Kurt, who was a GREAT technique rebounder on the defensive glass.

I'm not knocking their effort but there were a ton of boards they missed last night because of bad technique that turned into 2nd opportunities for Phili.

Those guys rebound like guys that are used to being bigger, quicker and taller than most of the competition. If you hustle and work you will get the board. Doesnt work in the NBA

i'll watch but those thinga seem like typical rookie mistakes that are easily correctable. I'm afraid the starting lineup will be:

C-Curry
PF-Davis
SF-Q
SG-Crawford
PG-Marbury

I have no problem with AD starting but I really do not want to see Crawford start for obvious, various reasons. I also am not too comfortable starting Ariza which is why I kept sayin we should draft the best player available regardless of position. Granger who we projected to be a Paul Pierce like superstar would look really nice right now. Don't get me wrong Frye is a hardworker and has been a pleasant surprise but it would've freed up the glut at PF for Lee and Butler. Lee and Butler are better than Ariza. I've been saying all along that Ariza is nothing more than a good spark plug bench player who plays some defense. People didn't want to draft Granger because we had "the Great" trevor ariza already!

Unfortunately, the starting lineup will be:
C-Curry
PF-Davis
SF-Q
SG-Crawford
PG-MArbury

Posted by Panos:

Posted by diderotn:

guns! Marb, Crawf and Q is not a viable starting lineup, because both Marb and Crawf are not defensive minded players and when those two are on the court together you can easily tell that there is a lack of discipline or chemistry between them. We need a guy like Q to play SG because he can do it all (rebound, defend, score, shoot the 3 consistantly). With someone else at SF (lEE or Ariza), that one player can be designated to do the dirty work (hustle, rebound, defend, dive on the floor, etc).

OMG! Dido! For once, I agree with you!

yeah that was a very good post. I don't know why he addressed it to me since I already knew and agreed with everything he said lol

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by gunsnewing:

It frustrates me how some people fail to realize that starting crawford at SG is our biggest problem and the biggest reason our defense is terrible. Let them start crawford and let them give up 30+ every 1st quarter then wonder why Larry Brown can't get us to play defense! No one is going to teach the 6-5 180LB Crawford how to stop opposing 6-6 210-230 opposing SGs!!

people used to to say the same thing about Rip Hamilton and Larry Hughes, especially Rip. Crawford just needs to do better at keeping his man in front of him. I dont think he needs to be a stopper per say. Focus on getting steals and being disruptive, and what he brings on other end of the floor.

forget Hughes, he's overrated defensively and is another serious chucker.

Rip was always a much better shooter, better offensive player than Crawford and he is longer. I don't understand how people think Crawford is going to be able to stop opposing SGs who are all bigger than he is unless he's going up against Francis when he' 6-5 180 and guys like jason richardson, kobe, ricky davis, pierce at 6-6/6-7 210-230

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 10-19-2005 3:07 PM]

jason richardson, kobe, ricky davis, pierce at 6-6/6-7 210-230