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10/18/2005  3:44 PM
You have to give Isiah a ton of credit to have the BALLS to use the amount of money he did. He openly gets blasted by everyone and there momma for the Knicks having the type of salary cap they do. When he wasn't using it correctly he was stupid for adding payroll. When he uses it correctly its because he has an unfair advantage.

I agree though with a lot of people going overboard with Zeke praise. Some people were putting him up there with God. Stuff like that would put a hex on our whole season.

I understood the reasoning for every move Isiah did except the Mo Taylor trade. Also haven't us so called homers/apologist been saying this stuff this whole time. That we aren't going to be stuck for yrs with the same players. That Tim Thomas, Muhammad etc... wasn't part of the long term goal, That Isiah would use the draft well, That we did't mortage the future when we traded for Marbury, That eventually the roster would be turned over from old past there prime overpaid vets to younger, tall, more athletic players. There are probably many other things im forgetting. But im sure Bonn would remember.
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10/18/2005  3:52 PM
I agree though with a lot of people going overboard with Zeke praise. Some people were putting him up there with God. Stuff like that would put a hex on our whole season.

maybe it's because his middle name is Lord.

[Edited by - boomann on 10-18-2005 3:52 PM]
"We need another shot blocker and we need more girth in the middle, once that happens we have a chance to be a pretty decent team" Isiah on draft night
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10/18/2005  4:07 PM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:
Posted by Nalod:

Isiah as genious for Allan retiring and he is a genious for logical use of the amnisty? Isiah gets a lot of props, but lets not call this a one man show. We have contract lawyers, financial people, accounting people, insurance people, (some might do double duty) and its there job to look at all the angles. Isiah has scouts and assistant coaches to help him evaluate talent.

Nobody is taking anything away from him, but its a team effort from the owner on down. Isiah is the face of the franchise for now, and its great, but lets just be real about how many Jobs this man has!

Why is it that when criticism comes Isiah Thomas' way he stands in the spotlight alone? But when praise is coming his way people all of a sudden start mentioning accountants, financial people, assistant coaches, lawyers or whoever else? Who are the people??? lol Where are they when Isiah Thomas get bashed? I guess we need to start learning the names of all of these people and start bashing them all when we don't like something. lol This is ridiculous.

When the exec of the year award is given out, if Isiah were to get it, I suppose it shouldn't be presented to him. It should be the first "EXECUTIVES OF THE YEAR AWRD". For the first time a GM will not recieve the credit. It will be accountants and the finacial people who will get the front page honors next to Isaih.

Just a thought.



This is so true. The vile feeling for Thomas is hard for many to overcome. I agree that the season should be played before we hand out honors but we are now ready to give kudos to his assistants before we give it to him. Look at this way, if things go bad, Thomas can now throw someone under the bus with Nalod's blessing.


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10/18/2005  4:14 PM
Wouldn't be the first time he have done it!

I just think when Isiah gets credit for Allan retiring I think the praise has gone orgasmic! Its like a dude on XTC, they love everybody! Get 50 wins and he gets exec of the year, but there will be those who count his money who will not give him the vote!

So what, I just want to enjoy the games, I could care less about who hates who, and who is tainted. Im a long term Larry fan! Thats a big one in my book!
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10/18/2005  4:18 PM
Posted by boomann:
I agree though with a lot of people going overboard with Zeke praise. Some people were putting him up there with God. Stuff like that would put a hex on our whole season.

maybe it's because his middle name is Lord.

[Edited by - boomann on 10-18-2005 3:52 PM]

Is it??

They weren't calling him lord they were calling him GOD
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10/18/2005  4:23 PM
I don't praise IT for H20 retiring. That was not his decision. But, for what he could control, it seems as though he did it wisely. He gambled that H20 would have to retire and thus took a chance with Dolan's money and by the way Dolan's wishes too. It worked out but it was a smart bet. IT seems to do that well. Curry is another smart bet IMO. Why? TT was useless and Sweets while a nice player did not show in 2 years the promise to be an elite player. He can be a nice contributor but with Frye, Rose, MoT, James and Butler, NY could absolve losing Sweets EVEN if Curry does nothing ever for NY.

IMO, if Curry were to never play a real game for NY, the trade would still not be a bad one. It would be a lost bet but a bet that was worth taking.

Layden never took those chances. The one time he did, was with Dice and that blew up in his face. Why? Not only because Dice went down again but MOSTLY because he gave up too much to get him. Camby and Nene? At the time, Camby was not an extra piece like TT and Sweets were and Nene was a young guy with size that was needed at the time. So Layden OVERPAID and gave up 2 bigs for 1 big with a bad knee. He hardley played for NY and for 2 years NY needed Camby and NEne.
For the next 2 years, not having Sweets and TT will not matter at all even if Curry never plays.!
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10/18/2005  4:29 PM
For the next 2 years, not having Sweets and TT will not matter at all even if Curry never plays.!

What about the picks, people really dig those draft picks. never know where the next ariza or lee might get picked. and yes his real name is isiah lord thoams III.
"We need another shot blocker and we need more girth in the middle, once that happens we have a chance to be a pretty decent team" Isiah on draft night
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10/18/2005  5:27 PM
people say, "with dolans money who could'nt do what he did"?
people say, "but the cap is still sickening".
i say, "layden had the same situation to work with, and still only made matters worse".
my point being that a gm knows he's going to get the credit. (good or bad) layden was known as a screw up, not his "advisors", "accountants", ect. why should'nt someone who does good for a team get the same treatment?
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10/18/2005  11:07 PM
Once the knicks win a championship then i'll give him his props.. Ernie Grunsfeld did the same thing in the past around Ewing. We came close to a championship under him as G.M. but fell short..

With the moves Isaih made, we should be able to see championships in the near future, if not then he gets no props..
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10/19/2005  12:43 AM
Some people just find it hard to give a black man credit. I've been a Knick fan for at least 20 years and I've been through a lot with ths team. I go back to at least the Al Bianchi days. No GM president or whatever has gone through the gauntlet most of my fellow posters has put IT through. NONE of them. Even when we had the fire Layden thing going on, most of the posters here still defended him. The bar was set so high for IT, that I initially thought it was unfair. But you know what? I want the bar to be set high, so when I rise above it or in this case when IT rises above it, no one will be able to denie the job he has done in 2+ years with supposed albatrosses no one in the league wanted. His 2 past drafts alone which people still GRUDGEDLY gives him credit was the best we had in at least 10 years. So give a black man his due for once WHOLEHEARTEDLY. Not too many people here in the past succeeded with nothing except maybe Dave Debushere when he drafted Patrick Ewing
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5/18/2006  3:23 PM
I brought this thread up to point out that, the consensus going into this season was that we had a good team and were headed in a good direction.

NO one talking about how the roster was so flawed and mismatched. Overall, we thought Isiah did a good job, and some of us thought he did great. Now at the end of the season, Isiah is the devil and LB can lead us to the promised land. no one here is saying anything about how the weaknesses need to be exposed.

We all saw us in the playoffs, or coming close to it, and building towards the future. Now after this job that LB mailed in, everyone is so down on the team, the roster, the management, etc. Its important to remember what your expectations were and how the media, and LB was able to manipulate them, imo.
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5/18/2006  3:28 PM
We go into every year feeling optomistic, don't we?

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5/18/2006  3:55 PM
Thanks for drawing attention to this- I was beginning to think my mind was playing tricks on me! Yep, I remember last year when most people were pumped at the job IT had done! Of course some of these same people now claim that every trade IT made was idiotic, he's a moron etc.

I think I agreed with most of IT's moves until this season, with the big mistake being the Steve Francis trade (I'm still holding out hope he'll trade him for the T-Wolves draft pick!). Jalen Rose I still think was a good trade as we got a pick and it was merely swapping an expiring contract for one that expires next season.

I still don't think things are as bad as the Brown supporters are making out- if we focus on getting a good defending SF to start, and defensive backups at PF/C and PG, we should be okay. I think IT will get a lot more out of these players than Brown did, and maybe Marbs might be more of a leader since he loves IT so much! (I think he's hated all our previous coaches which is why he sulks/ sets a bad example- It pathetic I know, but it'll be interesting to see what he's like when he actually supports the coach).

Have faith people!
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5/18/2006  4:07 PM
I dunno. I don't see everyone saying what a wonderful job he did. Fishmike seems to have had reservations. Woodman doesn't seem completely sold.

I'd have to go back and look at other threads to see if I was so positive. I liked the draft choices, I know that. I supported the Curry move. I never criticized Isiah for that, and still have hope for Curry.

But overall, don't we hope that the GM, as a professional, has better judgement than us fans on a bulletin board? Shouldn't he be held accountable for his decisions?
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