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rvhoss
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9/18/2005  10:26 PM
If zeke could only be so patient.
Posted by djsunyc:

jamal should get in his ear and bring him here for the 3 year MLE deal next offseason if he can still play.


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9/18/2005  10:31 PM
i'm saying that's what WE should offer them.
oh okay. I didn't quite understand what you meant. Still, if the report is accurate that the Bulls rejected a deal involving Sweetney, then there's really no reason to see if an inferior player (Mo or Malik) making four times as much would interest them.
you're right, the bulls should not do it unless they're afraid to lose him for nothing.
It's not quite losing him for nothing. They're guaranteed to have him for next season unless they chose to trade him. He can't just walk away. He could next year, though, and I suppose might be more likely to if he didn't like how the Bulls treated him this offseason. Still money talks and often erases all bad memories. If he's healthy and plays well, the Bulls can offer him more than any other team can next year.

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9/18/2005  10:33 PM
when i said lose him for nothing - i meant for after the season.

the bulls WILL NOT give him a big deal regardless of how he plays without insurance and a dna test.
paxson said so himself. everything would be incentive based - curry's looking for guaranteed dollars. paxson already offered a 3 year incentive based deal and curry said no.
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9/18/2005  10:34 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

If zeke could only be so patient.
Posted by djsunyc:

jamal should get in his ear and bring him here for the 3 year MLE deal next offseason if he can still play.
Zeke hasn't rushed anything with Curry. I don't see the 3 year MLE working next year unless Curry has no interest in money and just wants to be a Knick. If Curry is healthy and at least duplicates last season this year, he'll be looking at $70 mil (not $16 mil or a 3 yr MLE deal). If he's not able to play this year, then there's no point in using the MLE on him next year.
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9/18/2005  10:36 PM
Posted by djsunyc:

when i said lose him for nothing - i meant for after the season.

the bulls WILL NOT give him a big deal regardless of how he plays without insurance and a dna test.
paxson said so himself. everything would be incentive based - curry's looking for guaranteed dollars. paxson already offered a 3 year incentive based deal and curry said no.
I think Paxson was talking about this year. He hasn't played one minute since being diagnosed with the heart condition. Giving a huge contract now would be a huge risk. But if he plays 82 games and puts up 15/6 or 17/7, then the risk is obviously much lower. I don't Paxson ever said he wouldn't make a bigger committment to Curry next offseason if Curry played great this year.

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9/18/2005  10:44 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

i thought of a deal they might be down with[not saying i want to do it but here goes]

Charlotte gets Eric Piatkowski a Knicks #1 pick from the Spurs and 1.5mm in cash

Chicago gets Melvin Ely Mike Sweetney and Jackie butler + 1.5mm in cash

NY gets Eddie Curry S+T to the same deal Kwame got
3 yrs 24mm$ with the third yr a team option Curry's deal starts at 7.02 so it works within 20%
Sweetney, Butler, a #1 pick, and $1.5 mm cash? WOW! That's way more than any of us were talking about giving up for Curry.
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9/18/2005  10:46 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

listen, they will give you insurance for a LOT of stuff. if curry was healthy, he would get insurance. someone, somewhere would insure it because its a nice premiums. So smart money is saying no, if smart money is saying no, then it's not a good bet, it's a huge expensive risk

That's logical, but it's not the way Isiah thinks. He is going for broke.
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9/18/2005  10:50 PM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by BRIGGS:

listen, they will give you insurance for a LOT of stuff. if curry was healthy, he would get insurance. someone, somewhere would insure it because its a nice premiums. So smart money is saying no, if smart money is saying no, then it's not a good bet, it's a huge expensive risk

That's logical, but it's not the way Isiah thinks. He is going for broke.
I think he would have taken higher risks like drafting Bynum and Green if that were true. No one knows how much he's willing to give up for Curry. It can't hurt for him merely to inquire about Curry. SHOULDN'T he be doing that?
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9/18/2005  11:43 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by BRIGGS:

listen, they will give you insurance for a LOT of stuff. if curry was healthy, he would get insurance. someone, somewhere would insure it because its a nice premiums. So smart money is saying no, if smart money is saying no, then it's not a good bet, it's a huge expensive risk

That's logical, but it's not the way Isiah thinks. He is going for broke.
I think he would have taken higher risks like drafting Bynum and Green if that were true. No one knows how much he's willing to give up for Curry. It can't hurt for him merely to inquire about Curry. SHOULDN'T he be doing that?

There is a corollary to the theory: The player he goes for broke for has to be able to contribute right away, because as I said above, Isiah wants to win now. Bynum likely can't; Curry can.
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9/19/2005  12:09 AM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Rich:
Posted by BRIGGS:

listen, they will give you insurance for a LOT of stuff. if curry was healthy, he would get insurance. someone, somewhere would insure it because its a nice premiums. So smart money is saying no, if smart money is saying no, then it's not a good bet, it's a huge expensive risk

That's logical, but it's not the way Isiah thinks. He is going for broke.
I think he would have taken higher risks like drafting Bynum and Green if that were true. No one knows how much he's willing to give up for Curry. It can't hurt for him merely to inquire about Curry. SHOULDN'T he be doing that?

There is a corollary to the theory: The player he goes for broke for has to be able to contribute right away, because as I said above, Isiah wants to win now. Bynum likely can't; Curry can.
That's what I assumed you'd say and you may very well be right. Isiah has obtained players who weren't ready yet (Ariza) or were ready to contribute but needed a lot of time and work to reach their potential (Crawford, Frye), but none are as far away as HS players like Bynum and Green. No one knows for sure what Isiah was thinking but it certainly seemed like he had substantial interest in Bynum since the reports were that he scheduled a workout with Bynum and tried to move up in the draft to get him. So, it's not like being many years away ruled out Bynum unless all the reports are wrong.
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9/19/2005  9:48 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by BRIGGS:

i thought of a deal they might be down with[not saying i want to do it but here goes]

Charlotte gets Eric Piatkowski a Knicks #1 pick from the Spurs and 1.5mm in cash

Chicago gets Melvin Ely Mike Sweetney and Jackie butler + 1.5mm in cash

NY gets Eddie Curry S+T to the same deal Kwame got
3 yrs 24mm$ with the third yr a team option Curry's deal starts at 7.02 so it works within 20%
Sweetney, Butler, a #1 pick, and $1.5 mm cash? WOW! That's way more than any of us were talking about giving up for Curry.


No - actually there were some folks saying to include ariza in the deal as well.

Bonn- I wouldn't be surprised if Curry had the DNA test himself, or he knows that it runs in the family- I bet a good private investigator could dig up his family tree/ history and see if anyone has had short lifespans.

Why should the bulls take Malik or Mo Taylor? Because without curry, what do they have on the bench up front? Othella Harrington? Sorry, I loved Othella but he is a role player scrub- and Mo Taylor is just better. And Malik is a good presence to have.

Now I am not saying the bulls should take either- just that they might have reason to.

If curry sits out this year, and lets say goes over to europe for 1 year, or just takes a year off- what happens to his status? Would he be unrestricted next year?
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9/19/2005  10:07 AM
Posted by franco12:

Bonn- I wouldn't be surprised if Curry had the DNA test himself, or he knows that it runs in the family- I bet a good private investigator could dig up his family tree/ history and see if anyone has had short lifespans.

Are you implying that Curry is so greedy/foolish as to know that he has an abnormality (which happens to be the leading cause of sudden death among athletes) but hide it so he can make some cash at the risk of dropping dead!?
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9/19/2005  10:19 AM
Posted by franco12:

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Why should the bulls take Malik or Mo Taylor? Because without curry, what do they have on the bench up front? Othella Harrington? Sorry, I loved Othella but he is a role player scrub- and Mo Taylor is just better. And Malik is a good presence to have.

Now I am not saying the bulls should take either- just that they might have reason to.

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No way. Doesn't make sense. Look at it this way. If Mo T were a free agent,
would Chi (or ANYBODY else) sign him for 9 mil per for 3 years. Plainly, no way!
Why should they take him now in a trade where they give up a player
that has some potential value. No chance. Even with no other better offers
they would not do it. And I'm sure they have better offers.



[Edited by - panos on 09-19-2005 10:20 AM]
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9/19/2005  10:19 AM
Posted by Mac:

Are you implying that Curry is so greedy/foolish as to know that he has an abnormality (which happens to be the leading cause of sudden death among athletes) but hide it so he can make some cash at the risk of dropping dead!?

Um... yes.
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9/19/2005  12:00 PM
Posted by Panos:
Posted by franco12:

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Why should the bulls take Malik or Mo Taylor? Because without curry, what do they have on the bench up front? Othella Harrington? Sorry, I loved Othella but he is a role player scrub- and Mo Taylor is just better. And Malik is a good presence to have.

Now I am not saying the bulls should take either- just that they might have reason to.

[...clip]

No way. Doesn't make sense. Look at it this way. If Mo T were a free agent,
would Chi (or ANYBODY else) sign him for 9 mil per for 3 years. Plainly, no way!
Why should they take him now in a trade where they give up a player
that has some potential value. No chance. Even with no other better offers
they would not do it. And I'm sure they have better offers.



[Edited by - panos on 09-19-2005 10:20 AM]


Agrred- but Curry is worse than potential value- he has none- he probably does have a heart condition and won't play.

My thought is if I'm the bulls, maybe Mo Taylor & a late 1st rounder is the best I can get.

Mo Taylor aint great, but I think he's better than Othella Harrington- and who do they have up front?

http://www.nba.com/bulls/roster/

Chandler
Nocioni
Othella Harrington
Antonio Davis
Malik Allen

I'm just saying that having Taylor off the bench wouldn't be the worst thing if you're the bulls and you don't think you're going to get Curry back.

The only reason I trade Mo Taylor is that if Curry does go missing (can't play, etc.) I have a roster spot open for a rookie.
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9/19/2005  12:18 PM
Franco.. thats probably the difference between the Bulls and Knicks and taking on these players like Mo T. We think "it wouldnt be the worst thing" while the Bulls are only looking for ways to improve the club and be fiscally responsible.
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9/19/2005  4:31 PM
yeah...eff curry.
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9/19/2005  5:41 PM
Posted by EnySpree:

This is the only Curry the Knicks are gonna be able to get.....Curry Goat with some rice and peas....and maybe some Callalou!!!(a.k.a. collard greens)





[Edited by - enyspree on 09-18-2005 11:01 AM]


That doesn't look appetizing. I've never tried it, but it just doesn't look appetizing.
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9/19/2005  5:49 PM
Posted by Solace:
Posted by EnySpree:

This is the only Curry the Knicks are gonna be able to get.....Curry Goat with some rice and peas....and maybe some Callalou!!!(a.k.a. collard greens)





[Edited by - enyspree on 09-18-2005 11:01 AM]


That doesn't look appetizing. I've never tried it, but it just doesn't look appetizing.
Maybe not to you but if it's edible, I bet it looks appetizing to big Eddy!
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9/19/2005  6:01 PM
Chicago won't take a Taylor or Rose considering that would eat in to their cap space (which they will have plenty of) at the end of this upcoming season. I really don't think we have a shot at Curry unless we give up Sweets and a pick as much as I hate to say it. I know the Bulls will risk losing Curry for nothing, but they would probably rather have that than taking on Rose or Taylor even if they get a pick. Paxson will make us overpay for Curry, that is the only way we can get him.
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