Posted by JUNKMEIN:

Posted by Knight:

If you want to bring race into this mess than you better also not be afraid to talk about the black culture in NO and the violence that is happening right now. Please don't forget to talk about the "Dirty South". And don't tell me violence in the black community is not an issue.

[Edited by - Knight on 09-03-2005 10:29 AM]

Hmm, interesting points you have here. Okay, i'll play along for awhile. I want to bring race into this mess. I'm kinda scared to talk about black culture...especially the black culture in NO...woooo, scary....and the violence...black violence...wooooo, scary stuff to talk about. I guess when you say "Dirty South" you're talking about NO figuratively and literally. I'd like you to do me a favor and educate me and others here since you're obviously on another level as far as issues of race is concerned.

I think you're representative of most good valued americans in this country so i'm gonna follow your lead on the preferred thinking here. You're obviously much more intuned with what the rest of the country thinks than me or anyone else on this site. It really shows.

I've got a few questions for you...help me to understand. Now, since in your opinion the violence that's going on in New Orleans is bad and in your opinion the Black Culture down there is bad and dirty, do you think we should have diverted our resources down there? Of course, we should obviously go get them right?


Correct me if i'm wrong here. Now is what you're saying is basically these two things 1) that really these people should stop complaining so much and be grateful for the assistance they have received..right or wrong? 2) Don't blame just George Bush and the government for this catastrophe because the black culture in NO and the violence going on down there is bad and/or dirty?

I'm gonna trust your word on this and I hope others will listen closely to your response so they can understand how the majority of the US feels on this situation. FOX is the number one news station as far as ratings are concerned so I can only assume that's how most Americans feel. Enlighten and educate us...please.

Negros and Water don't mix.

I'm beyond upset at Knight right now also. When you let your guard down then.....BOOM!....reality check.

Posted by Knight:

The only point I want to make at this point is: before you blame the government for all that has gone wrong in NO, you must also look to the people who have been affected and how they are behaving in the midst of this crisis. Are they making the situation better, worse? The government should help the victims as much as humanly possible but to blame the government for the actions of all the individuals involved shows a lack of value for individual responsibility.

Posted by JUNKMEIN:

Posted by Knight:

The only point I want to make at this point is: before you blame the government for all that has gone wrong in NO, you must also look to the people who have been affected and how they are behaving in the midst of this crisis. Are they making the situation better, worse? The government should help the victims as much as humanly possible but to blame the government for the actions of all the individuals involved shows a lack of value for individual responsibility.

Oh thank you I get it now. I didn't realize that's what all of the folks on this site didn't realize...except for you of course. It's Simple folks, real simple. Before anyone passes judgement on the government or especially President Bush, you've got to absolutely check the character of the people down there in NO. That's what you're saying right Knight.

Knight, where you from man...you my kinda people...I like talking to you? I'll start, i'm 39 years old and from Clarksdale, Mississippi...where you from?

Nope, you have to look at the whole picture, but thanks for trying to put words in my mouth. And it's not about where you from it's about where you at.

[Edited by - Knight on 09-03-2005 12:54 PM]

Posted by Knight:

Posted by JUNKMEIN:

Posted by Knight:

The only point I want to make at this point is: before you blame the government for all that has gone wrong in NO, you must also look to the people who have been affected and how they are behaving in the midst of this crisis. Are they making the situation better, worse? The government should help the victims as much as humanly possible but to blame the government for the actions of all the individuals involved shows a lack of value for individual responsibility.

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Oh thank you I get it now. I didn't realize that's what all of the folks on this site didn't realize...except for you of course. It's Simple folks, real simple. Before anyone passes judgement on the government or especially President Bush, you've got to absolutely check the character of the people down there in NO. That's what you're saying right Knight.

Knight, where you from man...you my kinda people...I like talking to you? I'll start, i'm 39 years old and from Clarksdale, Mississippi...where you from?

Nope, you have to look at the whole picture, but thanks for trying to put words in my mouth.

Oh i'm not sure if i'm capable of seeing the whole picture in the way that you are...but i'm trying. Where you from? Surely you've gotta be from somewhere close to NO...gotta be.


[Edited by - junkmein on 09-03-2005 12:57 PM]

[Edited by - junkmein on 09-03-2005 12:59 PM]

[Edited by - junkmein on 09-03-2005 12:59 PM]

Posted by Knight:

Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

People are panicing as anyone would in the Worst natural disaster to ever hit the country. Why is it so important to look at the people? The people need HELP. If the gov't dropped the ball on preparation by cutting funding, then they should be held accountable for all of the consequences. The real problem is that too many people are "looking at the people" though prejudiced eyes. That's part of the problem, not the solution. Get in where you fit in.

Thanks Too Short. And the people especially need help because of the way other people are acting!

That last line is all the short-term memory can recall? Why not just stop sugar-coating what it is you really want to say? LOL Thanks for showing your hand, fella. You went right back to the "woooo, scary" mindset that Junkmein referred to.

Put Fox News on "block", the stench of its influence reeks.

Posted by Knight:

Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

Posted by Knight:

Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

People are panicing as anyone would in the Worst natural disaster to ever hit the country. Why is it so important to look at the people? The people need HELP. If the gov't dropped the ball on preparation by cutting funding, then they should be held accountable for all of the consequences. The real problem is that too many people are "looking at the people" though prejudiced eyes. That's part of the problem, not the solution. Get in where you fit in.

Thanks Too Short. And the people especially need help because of the way other people are acting!

That last line is all the short-term memory can recall? Why not just stop sugar-coating what it is you really want to say? LOL Thanks for showing your hand, fella. You went right back to the "woooo, scary" mindset that Junkmein referred to.

Put Fox News on "block", the stench of its influence reeks.

I don't get cable tv. So what's your point?

Scroll up and re-read.

Posted by Knight:

I know the government could have done a better job. But in a state of emergency you have to first assess the situation before you are able to best deploy your resources in the most efficient way possible. It took time to see what was going on throught the various parts of the city and who was in most need of help. Yes, I think the vast aid was a couple days late but don't make it seem like it was as easy as throwing ham sandwiches out of helicopter.

Posted by tkf:

Posted by Knight:

If you want to bring race into this mess than you better also not be afraid to talk about the black culture in NO and the violence that is happening right now. Please don't forget to talk about the "Dirty South". And don't tell me violence in the black community is not an issue.

[Edited by - Knight on 09-03-2005 10:29 AM]

That is interesting and I am glad you brough that up. People are saying women are being pulled into buildings and raped! people are being robbed at gunpoint, and I said, wow this is just disgusting, but you know what, this is what happens in NO on the regular. NO is near the top as far as crime in the country, that city is grimy as hell, worse than detroit and the other crime capitals of the country. I think the officials of NO let a lot of things go unchecked, and the levey issue is one of them. for the life of me, can someone answer this, if the people of NO and the local govt knew that a disaster like this was going to happen, why wait for fed funding, this is a priority, have a 1% tax raise, sell bonds, raise property taxes, I mean for christ sakes, they could of raised more than enough money, increase hotel taxes, I mean heck let the tourist pay for part of the levy construction, since they enjoy comming to NO( I don't know why anyone would vacation there) anyway, the blame should start locally, but I will leave that for another day.. this stuff is real right now!!!

It's interesting you bring up how bad NO is and how grimmy it is. I find it interesting that someone from Atlanta would have the nerve to call another city grimmy. I been located in the Atlanta for less than a year and I must say I was taken back to how depraved this city really is. It is a weird location, I mean the heart of Atlanta is really a slum and quite rural, areas like Buckhead and Sandy Springs try to cover the majority of the city but if travel you see the real Atlanta. BTW, no culture differences too much here. poor blacks and whites live in despair.

Posted by JUNKMEIN:

You don't think violence in the black community is a real issue? You don't think homicide is scary? There is nothing prejudiced about this, it's a real issue.
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OOOhhhh. I see. Cause those folks down there in NO...apparently the black ones...may have had violent ones in their midst (because there was obviously raping, killing and looting). If they had violent ones around them then I can't blame the goverment for not going in. Leave all of them to die...right?

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Nope, nice attempt to make a caricature of my position though--maybe you could be an analyst on Fox News. You have to look at failures on both levels--government and the actions of the people there.