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jaydh
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8/31/2005  3:41 PM
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by fishmike:

Kerry wasnt dumb, the democratic party was. Kerry ate Dubya for breakfast in those debates, but the country wont vote for an intellectual, because the red states cant tell the difference between smart and smart ass.

The Dems have only themselves to blame. This population isnt going to elect an intellectual from NE. They also wont elect a jew, a woman or a black man. At some point the Dems need to get their heads out of their asses and realize its not about the best (or who they think is the best) candidate, but who will actually win the damn thing.
look man. i watched the debates. i was horrified. kerry IS dumb. his responses were TERRIBLE. I didnt realize how dumb he is. He's not a smart ass, just an ass. He kept saying he wanted to increase funding for IRAQ. are you kidding me?

if Kerry is dumb, what is Bush? braindead?


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jaydh
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8/31/2005  3:43 PM
Posted by tkf:

briggs what mending can any president do? Most of these countries hate us because of what we are? not what we do? what did we do that prompted those jackasses to fly those two planes into the towers?

i think its more because of what we do.. the american people are sheltered from what we do around the world.


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8/31/2005  4:03 PM
Lets face it people. There is no one qualified to run our country anymore and every single politician that takes the helm finds a way to **** us and **** everyone else while they are at it. Things arent going to change until something bad happens to this country and I mean real bad.
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fishmike
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8/31/2005  4:12 PM
Bubba did a hell of a job.
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8/31/2005  4:24 PM
vote for pedro
Caseloads
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8/31/2005  4:45 PM
Posted by jaydh:
Posted by Caseloads:
Posted by fishmike:

Kerry wasnt dumb, the democratic party was. Kerry ate Dubya for breakfast in those debates, but the country wont vote for an intellectual, because the red states cant tell the difference between smart and smart ass.

The Dems have only themselves to blame. This population isnt going to elect an intellectual from NE. They also wont elect a jew, a woman or a black man. At some point the Dems need to get their heads out of their asses and realize its not about the best (or who they think is the best) candidate, but who will actually win the damn thing.
look man. i watched the debates. i was horrified. kerry IS dumb. his responses were TERRIBLE. I didnt realize how dumb he is. He's not a smart ass, just an ass. He kept saying he wanted to increase funding for IRAQ. are you kidding me?

if Kerry is dumb, what is Bush? braindead?

yes. bush is braindead.
Caseloads
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8/31/2005  4:46 PM
why cant some smart, non-selfish person ever run and get elected? does everyone get corrupted and/or dumbed down along the way?
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8/31/2005  4:53 PM
Posted by Caseloads:

why cant some smart, non-selfish person ever run and get elected? does everyone get corrupted and/or dumbed down along the way?


Democrats, Republicans, liberals that ARE hungry for power and selfishness will hold this person back and bury them. It's sad really.
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8/31/2005  4:54 PM
Saw this atop CNN.com as breaking news.

10,000 more National Guard troops are being called up for duties on the Katrina-ravaged Gulf
Coast, CNN confirms. Details soon
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8/31/2005  5:09 PM
Hi
New for this forum. Was thinking its all about the Knicks.
But this post is interesting to start with

Bush is great president - he did all he promised to people who financed him.
They wanted war to grab huge profits - they get it
They wanted high oil prices to get more for gas and drags - they get it
They wanted to divert attention from corporate crooks, drag dealers, poverty, global warming, pollution - they get it

He did all he promised and he will get all rewards. He is high level professional politician.
He looks dumb because American people like to see him this way. Even if he is not the smartest person in the world - his farther, hard-liner conservatives and other his advisers are smart enough.
We are democracy - and the problem of each democracy that it can be bought. It just the question of how much...

Going back to Katrina, Iraq, Gas prices, outsourcing, etc. - somebody need to pay. So we will... and we are.
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8/31/2005  6:39 PM
Posted by Caseloads:

why cant some smart, non-selfish person ever run and get elected? does everyone get corrupted and/or dumbed down along the way?


Because it takes a scum sucking, pandering whore to raise enough money to even have a shot at being elected.
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8/31/2005  8:09 PM
Kerry and Bush are both morons and this will go down and it was a lose lose situation for us during the campaigns last year. I almost didn't vote, but in fear of being drafted, I voted for Kerry and that was the only reason. This country hasn't been run very well lately.
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8/31/2005  9:16 PM
very interesting topic. i am a teacher so i have a very biased opinion about bush and his " no child left behind " act which is total bs. well, that is another story. bush is a figure head for the cabinet making the decisions as well as heart attack chaney. that is why chaney's group is over in iraq help establishing the government but putting his greedy hand in everything. i feel for bush because he seems that he is well over his head. as far as government aiding new orleans, they could not have saved more lives. were they supposed to airlift people out in military copters? not feasible. the governor herself could have estabish a state of emergency and had the national guard get people out not bush. they had enough time. i can blame bush for many things like the three dollar a gallon of gas i paid today or establishing an education act based on cultural biased test but not the destruction of no.
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8/31/2005  9:52 PM
Posted by Allanfan20:

Kerry and Bush are both morons and this will go down and it was a lose lose situation for us during the campaigns last year. I almost didn't vote, but in fear of being drafted, I voted for Kerry and that was the only reason. This country hasn't been run very well lately.


Kerry was a better choice, if only for reason: fiscal discipline. The massive tax cuts, mostly for people that don't need them, and the Iraq misadventure, have jeopardized the long term fiscal health of this country.
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8/31/2005  10:00 PM
no jazz74, but its legit to blame him for the status of the current situation.

I have 2 friends in the national guard. I remember 12 hours after hurrican floyd they were flown down to Fla. for security detail. 2-3 days after that they were part of a 50,000+ labor force that restablished infrastructure. If they werent on security they were passing out water and making sure the population had provisions. They were there so fast and worked so hard they had a freaking parade for the hurricane floyd heros. Now they are shooting arabs in Iraq. while every store in NO is getting looted and while people are being told to boil water. If you boil water with sh!t in it its still got that sh!t in it when you drink it (just an FYI)

This whole thing sucks and its amazing our national guard isnt here to be the national guard.
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8/31/2005  10:01 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by fishmike:

dude, here in GA the gas is 3.09 for regular, my wife has a Yukon and I have a nissan Suv, I drive 45 miles each way to work,my wife stays around town. we both filled up today and it cost 100 bucks!!! this is out of hand, but we should have been looking for alternative fuel sources years ago, instead we are held captive to these clowns for our fuel...

Not to get on your case but your putting down lack of alt fuel sources (which we def need) but part of the problem is people like you buying suv's. There are hybrids out there that can help the enviornment. Why didn't you buy one of those? Instead 2 suv's? Everyone needs a suv for status.


fishmike 9/27/2024 11:00 PM Ug I hate this. The idea of Towns is great until you see what a pussy he is. Jules is a dog. DD was a flamethrower locked up cheap for 3 more years. First Leon move I hate
Rich
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8/31/2005  10:02 PM
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/08/29/AR2005082901445_pf.html

Destroying FEMA

By Eric Holdeman
Tuesday, August 30, 2005; A17

SEATTLE -- In the days to come, as the nation and the people along the Gulf Coast work to cope with the disastrous aftermath of Hurricane Katrina, we will be reminded anew, how important it is to have a federal agency capable of dealing with natural catastrophes of this sort. This is an immense human tragedy, one that will work hardship on millions of people. It is beyond the capabilities of state and local government to deal with. It requires a national response.

Which makes it all the more difficult to understand why, at this moment, the country's premier agency for dealing with such events -- FEMA -- is being, in effect, systematically downgraded and all but dismantled by the Department of Homeland Security.

Apparently homeland security now consists almost entirely of protection against terrorist acts. How else to explain why the Federal Emergency Management Agency will no longer be responsible for disaster preparedness? Given our country's long record of natural disasters, how much sense does this make?

What follows is an obituary for what was once considered the preeminent example of a federal agency doing good for the American public in times of trouble, such as the present.

FEMA was born in 1979, the offspring of a number of federal agencies that had been functioning in an independent and uncoordinated manner to protect the country against natural disasters and nuclear holocaust. In its early years FEMA grew and matured, with formal programs being developed to respond to large-scale disasters and with extensive planning for what is called "continuity of government."

The creation of the federal agency encouraged states, counties and cities to convert from their civil defense organizations and also to establish emergency management agencies to do the requisite planning for disasters. Over time, a philosophy of "all-hazards disaster preparedness" was developed that sought to conserve resources by producing single plans that were applicable to many types of events.

But it was Hurricane Andrew, which hit Florida in 1992, that really energized FEMA. The year after that catastrophic storm, President Bill Clinton appointed James Lee Witt to be director of the agency. Witt was the first professional emergency manager to run the agency. Showing a serious regard for the cost of natural disasters in both economic impact and lives lost or disrupted, Witt reoriented FEMA from civil defense preparations to a focus on natural disaster preparedness and disaster mitigation. In an effort to reduce the repeated loss of property and lives every time a disaster struck, he started a disaster mitigation effort called "Project Impact." FEMA was elevated to a Cabinet-level agency, in recognition of its important responsibilities coordinating efforts across departmental and governmental lines.

Witt fought for federal funding to support the new program. At its height, only $20 million was allocated to the national effort, but it worked wonders. One of the best examples of the impact the program had here in the central Puget Sound area and in western Washington state was in protecting people at the time of the Nisqually earthquake on Feb. 28, 2001. Homes had been retrofitted for earthquakes and schools were protected from high-impact structural hazards. Those involved with Project Impact thought it ironic that the day of that quake was also the day that the then-new president chose to announce that Project Impact would be discontinued.

Indeed, the advent of the Bush administration in January 2001 signaled the beginning of the end for FEMA. The newly appointed leadership of the agency showed little interest in its work or in the missions pursued by the departed Witt. Then came the Sept. 11 attacks and the creation of the Department of Homeland Security. Soon FEMA was being absorbed into the "homeland security borg."

This year it was announced that FEMA is to "officially" lose the disaster preparedness function that it has had since its creation. The move is a death blow to an agency that was already on life support. In fact, FEMA employees have been directed not to become involved in disaster preparedness functions, since a new directorate (yet to be established) will have that mission.

FEMA will be survived by state and local emergency management offices, which are confused about how they fit into the national picture. That's because the focus of the national effort remains terrorism, even if the Department of Homeland Security still talks about "all-hazards preparedness." Those of us in the business of dealing with emergencies find ourselves with no national leadership and no mentors. We are being forced to fend for ourselves, making do with the "homeland security" mission. Our "all-hazards" approaches have been decimated by the administration's preoccupation with terrorism.

To be sure, America may well be hit by another major terrorist attack, and we must be prepared for such an event. But I can guarantee you that hurricanes like the one that ripped into Louisiana and Mississippi yesterday, along with tornadoes, earthquakes, volcanoes, tsunamis, floods, windstorms, mudslides, power outages, fires and perhaps a pandemic flu will have to be dealt with on a weekly and daily basis throughout this country. They are coming for sure, sooner or later, even as we are, to an unconscionable degree, weakening our ability to respond to them.

The writer is director of the King County, Wash., Office of Emergency Management.
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8/31/2005  10:16 PM
There are two potential Presidential candidates who do care for people, one from each party. Each of them is a personal friend of close friends of mine. Each is highly qualified and each is electable. Think of them come primary time. John McCain and Joe Biden
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8/31/2005  10:20 PM
I might add Chuck Hagel to that list.
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8/31/2005  10:57 PM
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/4201812.stm

A BBC article on Iraq war

The monthly cost to the US of the war in Iraq is now greater than the average monthly cost of the Vietnam War, a report by two anti-war groups says.

The report put costs in Iraq at $500m (£278m) a month more than in Vietnam, adjusted for inflation.

This makes Iraq the most expensive US war in the past 60 years, they say.

But an analyst from the conservative American Enterprise Institute (AEI) said the cost was small in the context of the whole US economy.

The report by the Institute for Policy Studies (IPS) and Foreign Policy in Focus (FPIF), called The Iraq Quagmire, calculates the cost of current military operations in Iraq at $5.6bn (£3.1bn) every month.

By comparison, the eight-year campaign in Vietnam cost on average $5.1bn (£2.8bn) a month.

'Poor preparation'

The IPS and FPIF say this is partly down to differences in the way modern war is waged.

Although there are fewer troops in Iraq than Vietnam, they are paid more and weapons are more expensive, the report says.

"Broken down per person in the US, the cost so far is $277 per person, making the Iraq War the most expensive military effort in the past 60 years," it concludes.

Co-author Erik Leaver told the BBC costs in Iraq had spiralled since 2003 because the US had not been well-prepared.

"We have deployed now roughly one million troops in Afghanistan and Iraq, and the numbers just keep going up and up," he said.

"We are going to continue to see costs not only from the fighting now but also from the health care of these soldiers and veterans when they come home."

'Drop in the bucket'

However Thomas Donnelly, a defence expert with the AEI, believes the eventual result of the Iraq war is more important than its cost in dollars.

"The more valued criticism is whether the Bush administration is winning the war and prosecuting it in a successful way," he said.

"So what price victory? I would say that $5bn a month is certainly something I would be willing to pay."

Mr Donnelly said the relative cost of operations in Iraq, at 2% of America's annual GDP, was less than either the Vietnam conflict at 12% or World War II at 40%.

"Although the costs of war have grown... the American economy is exponentially larger than it was in the Vietnam War years," Mr Donnelly said.

"When it [the Iraq war] is compared to the overall size of the American economy, it's really a drop in the bucket, certainly by historical standards."

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What does "victory" at this stage bring? Can anyone envision Iraq after our VICTORY? I cant.

The only thing I see are thousands of Iraqi & American deaths and sorrows, and hate that will be with the those who survive.

Where is AMERICA going to????
OT--USA military shouldve helped get the people out of nO BEFORE the fact

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