Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by rvhoss:

I'm just hoping the three headed monsters of PF, Frye and JJ produce 20/20/3

"Im not focusing on 4 games he played against Sac because everything reads aberration."

And while I agree that the Sacramento series may have been aberration, but that's going to be him playing against atleast 50% of his opponents, so to only use the series against the best PF in the game and defensive coach in the West is cool.

As long as you realize that not all front lines are built like San antonio.

I love the onesided statistical views, keep them coming.

[Edited by - rvhoss on 08-23-2005 09:33 AM]

great post. you beat me too it.

jerome james
vs. the knicks - 2 games
14 mins, 3 pts, 3 rebs, 1.5 blocks, 3 fouls

vs. the pistons - 2 games
27 mins, 14 pts, 5.5 rebs, 2.5 blocks, 3 fouls

vs. boston - 2 games
11.5 mins, 3 pts, 2 rebs, 0.5 blocks, 1.5 fouls

vs. houston - 4 games
17.8 mins, 1.8 pts, 3.3 rebs, 1.25 blocks, 4.5 fouls

vs. nj - 2 games
16.5 mins, 4.0 pts, 4.0 rebs, 0 blocks, 3.5 fouls

vs. suns - 3 games
20 mins, 10 pts, 4 rebs, 1.67 blocks, 4 fouls

vs. toronto - 2 games
13 mins, 1 pt, 4 rebs, .5 blocks, 4 fouls

just a sample of some games from him last season. this guy just does not stay on the court. if his role in seattle was to set screens, play defense, block shots, and rebound, then why is he still only on the court for < 20 mins? b/c he can't stay out of foul trouble. which means he's a hacker. can that be changed? hey, anything can happen and we have the best teacher in the world for it. but instead of just accepting that it will, or assuming that it will, i'm QUESTIONING if it will.

Posted by djsunyc:

some more james #'s courtesy of 82games.com

14.3 pts, 8.7 rebs, 4.0 blocks, 49%FG, 10.1 fouls, with an 11.5 PER

opponents:

18.3 pts, 11.5 rebs, 2.2 blocks, 53%FG, 5.0 fouls, with a 17.8 PER

net 48 min production:

-4.0 pts, -2.9 rebs, +1.9 blocks, -4%FG, -5.1 fouls, with a -6.3 PER

that's scary. Stephen Hunter is looking better and better. Philly signed him for half what we paid James.

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by djsunyc:

some more james #'s courtesy of 82games.com

14.3 pts, 8.7 rebs, 4.0 blocks, 49%FG, 10.1 fouls, with an 11.5 PER

opponents:

18.3 pts, 11.5 rebs, 2.2 blocks, 53%FG, 5.0 fouls, with a 17.8 PER

net 48 min production:

-4.0 pts, -2.9 rebs, +1.9 blocks, -4%FG, -5.1 fouls, with a -6.3 PER

that's scary. Stephen Hunter is looking better and better. Philly signed him for half what we paid James.

james will help us. he brings a space eater we haven't had in a while. i don't think anybody disputes that. i just don't understand how many people just think that now he's here, he'll somehow become something he never was. it's not a 23 year old that doesn't get it yet. it's an almost 30 year old - usually around the age big guys are in their prime.

5 years for this guy at $30 mil is a long time. the problem is that many don't think it is b/c we're so used to big deals here. the initial reaction is, "oh, only around $6 mil a year" and that's the problem. he's not WORTH that but our fear of walking away this summer with just frye made our knees buckle to get him. the response of course is that's the market for big men. and to that i say, then we pass, and throw frye to the wolves - which in the long run, would be better for us anyway.

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by fishmike:

you guys are jerks. He's in a new system now and is playing Marbury and Crawford (like Seattle didnt have good playmakers). Also he said with this new big contract he would have a bigger role. We saw how well that worked with Houston

In spite of your apparent sarcasm, he will be in a new system and he wasn't playing with Marbury (in spite of all seattles good playmakers).

You are comparing apples and oranges. Seattle was run and gun, and he was not an offensive option at all.

This will be half-court ball, and he will be an option. He will also get him easy baskets in transition and on drive and dishes.

Look what a new system and Splaying with Steph did for Marbury did for Nazzy?

Before he arrived here he was a 6 and 5 player.

In his first half season he was 9 and 7.

In his next half season he was 11 and 8. FYI, thats a career year for him that put him up there with the best centers in a center starved league. We got him for Doleac and got Malik Rose and 2 #1's for him. I'd say his value increased, wouldn't you? From watching the games and also by his own admission I'd say Steph was a huge part of that. Wouldn't you?

Point is: Steph can make Jerome James better, period. How much better remains to be seen, but I don't think anyone thought Nazzy was gonna be putting up 11 & 9 on the knicks. We'll see what happens.

Posted by islesfan:

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by fishmike:

you guys are jerks. He's in a new system now and is playing Marbury and Crawford (like Seattle didnt have good playmakers). Also he said with this new big contract he would have a bigger role. We saw how well that worked with Houston

Im sorry, Im mustve been sleeping the past ten years, what player has Marbury made better in all that time? Kind of like Mark Aquire turns every player he balls with into 25 point scorers.

In spite of your apparent sarcasm, he will be in a new system and he wasn't playing with Marbury (in spite of all seattles good playmakers).

You are comparing apples and oranges. Seattle was run and gun, and he was not an offensive option at all.

This will be half-court ball, and he will be an option. He will also get him easy baskets in transition and on drive and dishes.

Look what a new system and Splaying with Steph did for Marbury did for Nazzy?

Before he arrived here he was a 6 and 5 player.

In his first half season he was 9 and 7.

In his next half season he was 11 and 8. FYI, thats a career year for him that put him up there with the best centers in a center starved league. We got him for Doleac and got Malik Rose and 2 #1's for him. I'd say his value increased, wouldn't you? From watching the games and also by his own admission I'd say Steph was a huge part of that. Wouldn't you?

Point is: Steph can make Jerome James better, period. How much better remains to be seen, but I don't think anyone thought Nazzy was gonna be putting up 11 & 9 on the knicks. We'll see what happens.

Actually as a starter with Atlanta, Nazr was about a 10-8 player. 12-9 in the 2001 season. So why wouldn't anyone think that Nazr could put up similar numbers in NY with Marbury?

JJ on the other hand, we all know what numbers he's put up as a starter.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by islesfan:

And I don't get how anyone can just purposely ignore the 73 games Nazr started the following season, which I did take into account.

isles, by "anyone", do you mean bonn?

i can read between the lines you know...

Hmmmmmm Coullld beeee.

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by islesfan:

And I don't get how anyone can just purposely ignore the 73 games Nazr started the following season, which I did take into account.

isles, by "anyone", do you mean bonn?

i can read between the lines you know...

LOL! Nazy's #s that year where he started 73 games (9.7, 7.9, 46% FG) were pretty inferior to his #s before the groin injury last year (12/9, 55% FG) and still inferior to his #s as a Knick last year including the period he was playing injured (11/9 51% overall for the season). I don't see any relevance of that season to this discussion other than it demonstrating that Nazy vastly improved last year


[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 08-23-2005 11:48 PM]

Ohhhhh, those 73 games. At least you're acknowledging them now.

As far as your last post, all I got out of it was "You got me, I blatantly omitted those games so now I'm going to downplay them as much as I can so as to do the next best thing, which is to attempt to render them irrelevant so I can pretend that my inane argument still has some kind of validity."

Did you say anything besides that?