Posted by misterearl:

TMS - have another sip of Diet HaterAde

Personally, I'll be enjoying the escapades of Nate Robinson, Q and Brandy, and David Lee.

No one claimed Isiah is perfect, but he FAR more intelligent, professional, hard-working and creative than many are willling to give him credit for

Enjoy your Celtics gear

Gee, i haven't heard the Haterade comment before...where'd you get it? that's so damn original.

I'll be enjoying the escapades of Nate, Q, Ariza & Lee too...you're another 1 of the overgeneralizing posters who ignore what i've posted in the past only to bring up your inaccurate assumptions about me.

you classify me as a Layden worshipper? dude, were you even around when some of us were over on the MSG boards ripping Layden for just about every one of his moronic moves he made as Knicks' GM?

go ahead & remain blinded to all the nonsensical roster moves being made because you're too stupid to formulate an opinion that challenges the prevailing flawed logic on this forum that Isiah can do no wrong...it must be nice to live life as a gay robot...say hello to Obi Wan for me.

0 interest in james jones. lets be patient and find something better

> go ahead & remain blinded to all the nonsensical roster moves being made

Nonsensical? is that a word?

>. because you're too stupid to formulate an opinion

Me stupid, you genius?

> that challenges the prevailing flawed logic on this forum that Isiah can do no wrong

Prevailing logic or OPINION? Isiah can do plenty of wrong, but what about allowing a man more than 19 months to bring a sinking ship back to the surface?

>...it must be nice to live life as a gay robot..

You should know, yo' mommas a gay robot

Google is your friend earl...learn the English language...it helps when you engage in debates on internet forums.

http://www.bartleby.com/62/76/N1037600.html

nonsensical

ADJECTIVE: So senseless as to be laughable: absurd, foolish, harebrained, idiotic, imbecilic, insane, lunatic, mad, moronic, preposterous, silly, softheaded, tomfool, unearthly, zany.

in other words, you.

[Edited by - TMS on 08-16-2005 2:08 PM]

Posted by misterearl:

TMS - now that we have the formalities out of the way

If you were the team President, starting with Layden's leftovers, and a cappped out situation, what would have been YOUR first move?

dump anyone, pick up as many 04+ draft picks as I could, rebuild from scratch

>dump anyone, pick up as many 04+ draft picks as I could, rebuild from scratch

With a roster choked with guaranteed contracts how do you simply "dump" anyone?

Exactly who are you "dumping"?

"Pick up draft picks" - where? At the grocery store?

That is just plain silly

C'mon, can't you gprovide a more reality-based strategy than that?

well if you want my honest OPINION (not the be all & end all of ideas), if i were in charge, i would have done exactly what IT did & acquired a star player w/some of the expiring contracts & draft picks (a move that i SUPPORTED - what? you mean TMS actually supported an IT move? no way...i mean he only mentioned that about 3000 times before on this forum)...that imo was NOT a fiscally irresponsible move, because it completely rejuvenated public interest in the NY Knicks franchise, increased ticket sales & concessions, & brought in marketing dollars to the garden.

then i would have probably analyzed the remaining parts & formulated a similar plan of attack of acquiring young & athletic players to fill in around Marbury...these 2 aspects i am in complete agreement w/Isiah...so much for all the hater theories, eh?

i SUPPORTED the trade to get Jamal Crawford & JYD using the scrap parts of Deke, Frank, Othella & Trybanski (i think that was the package)...i felt both players could help this franchise nicely & were both the types of athletic players who could run up & down the floor that i liked...plus i've always like JYD's style of unselfish play & hustle, even in his days in Detroit...i also liked the signing of DerMarr Johnson because he was a talented young player who was worth taking a flyer on...had IT been a bit more patient w/him he could have been a nice piece to our offense last season.

where i DISAGREED w/Isiah was when he extended KT to that 5 year extension w/trade kicker...at that point i would have used his expiring contract to trade for a young PF if available (i don't feel going back to list all the available names is necessary to explain this one, is it?)

I also wasn't crazy about the signing of Vin Baker to half the MLE...i felt he didn't fit the team's needs at all & was a nonsensical (there's that word again) roster move on Isiah's part...signing a scrub like Jamison Brewer didn't phase me 1 way or the other because he was a minimal investment, though i do feel Isiah could have gotten a much more serviceable player than Bruno for the LLE...the Jerome James signing to the full MLE contract everyone knows my feelings on...if IT signs Diop to the LLE you'll hear some more whining from me whether you like it or not...i can't pretend to agree w/something that is illogical & nonsensical in my mind (damn, that word has a nice ring to it, doesn't it?)

concerning the KVH/Doleac for TT/Nazr trade, i was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for a year's time...turns out i hated that trade because i've grown to despise TT as a player, & Nazr was a 1 year stopgap, but at least he did land us some draft picks in the long run, so that's his 1 saving grace.

the Mo T trade i was initially in favor of because i assumed IT had a plan in place to trade off 1 of our PF's last season, but fill the team's need at C...but turns out he ad libbed his way out of this one by dealing KT this past offseason & signing an overpaid scrub to a full MLE contract to be our starting C...not exactly a plan of action that instills confidence in me sorry to say, but at least we did end up w/Q & Nate Robinson out of the KT deal, so it turns out well for us overall.

As for draft picks, i'll say that Isiah's pick of Trevor Ariza was perfectly fine with me after i read up some more on him after that draft...& his trade to acquire the extra 1st rounders in the Malik Rose trade with which he was able to land David Lee was also a move i was in favor of...along w/Nate Rob, those 3 represent some young, athletic players that fit the mantra nicely...but i did NOT like passing over Gerald Green in favor of Channing Frye...i think Green will be a monster in this league someday...

i've discussed all of this plenty of times on other threads & i don't feel it's necessary to go over this or any of my other points on this thread...i'm just doing this so you get a general overview of where i agree & disagree w/the moves Isiah's made as Knicks' GM...now if you want to continue to label me as a hater or whatever, knock yourself out...i'm gonna call it like i see it, regardless if it's a popular opinion around here or not.

[Edited by - TMS on 08-16-2005 3:37 PM]

OK, here is what we should have done.

Wate it out with what we got, try to move players for picks, if not, keep them and let them end. Naturally you suck and get high picks by simply sticking to a Layden team. Make sure you loose enough games by benching the vets and playin young players even if they are CBA pickups. If the vets complain waive them. Above all make sure you are in the top 5 lottery.

Don't trade for any contracts don't sign anybody but chip young players and your picks.

In 3-4 years have nobody on your payroll but your draft picks, who have by this teme been devloped for 2-4 years, and you have a boatloadof capspace. You are in NY, you go out and get a big name coach-GM giving him 100% power ala Riley.

He has the young guys, the cap, and full control to work with. Go out and sign the 2-3 star players to build around to max deals and complement them with the yong guys you have devloped.

That would have been my plan.

will JAmes Jones be as good as Jamison Brewer? Remember that awesome dunk? You cant sell that moment short. That dunk was nasty. What happened to him? Why did we finish with Jermaine Jackson? I miss Brewer!

My plan is so bad that every team that ever succesfully rebuilt has taken that approach.

But who am I to argue with you, you obvously know better then every other GM in the history of the association.

Its called sellin hope, kinda what the Rangera are finally doing now. Guess what, the hockey fans will still come event hough the team is made up of Jagr and a bunch of youngsters.

You tell your fans you are rebulding, and that its going to take time, and that at the end of tunnel there is a dynastie.

I think better of Ny fans then you do obviusly.

If the Clippers make money, then the Knicks can too while they are rebuilding.

But wate, that shatters your littel make belief world in which IT is god. Sorry.

TMS - well done summary

>that imo was NOT a fiscally irresponsible move, because it completely rejuvenated public interest in the NY Knicks franchise, increased ticket sales & concessions, & brought in marketing dollars to the garden.

I stand corrected for any misguided critique on my part

You are indde a Knicks gentleman and a scholar

How would you grade Isiah Thomas in total?