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djsunyc
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8/15/2005  9:32 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Rich:

If expiring contracts are so valuable, why did the Knicks trade shorter contracts for Mo Taylor?
The Knicks traded a total of zero expiring contracts for Mo Taylor.

semantics.
they would be considered EXPIRING DEALS RIGHT NOW.
which means we had a shot at SAR, swift, or other possible candidates. not to mention useful at the break.

but we needed to bring in mo to get over the .400 hump last year.

talent wise, hells yeah mo's better but he wasn't needed here. if the going rate was trade exemption + #1 for SAR, i think if given the choice of vin + moochie + #2 for mo or maybe, oh i don't know, wait till the summer and make a vin + spurs #1 for SAR trade...people would've chose the latter.

but i digress...

we'll find out soon.
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8/15/2005  9:37 AM
dj...that mo rant is a dead horse...hindsight is 20/20.

I say waive H20, save Dolan wads of cash and let's move on.

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8/15/2005  9:47 AM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Rich:

If expiring contracts are so valuable, why did the Knicks trade shorter contracts for Mo Taylor?
The Knicks traded a total of zero expiring contracts for Mo Taylor.

semantics.
they would be considered EXPIRING DEALS RIGHT NOW.
which means we had a shot at SAR, swift, or other possible candidates. not to mention useful at the break.

but we needed to bring in mo to get over the .400 hump last year.

talent wise, hells yeah mo's better but he wasn't needed here. if the going rate was trade exemption + #1 for SAR, i think if given the choice of vin + moochie + #2 for mo or maybe, oh i don't know, wait till the summer and make a vin + spurs #1 for SAR trade...people would've chose the latter.

but i digress...

we'll find out soon.
Its not semantics, they were either expiring contracts or they weren't. And they weren't. They were shorter by a season and Mo Taylor is better by a mile so it makes sense, imo. Mo had productive games with us, and probably will again this year and next. Whether he is a player we need with Rose, JYD, Sweets, etc. is a good point, but those contracts would have been dead weight and 2 roster spots.

SAR didn't want to come here to play SF and Swift didn't want to come here for MLE money, he had the oppurtunity and chose Houston over other teams who offered more money.

What other players could have been had I don't know, but it seems pointless unless we can point to a player we truly missed out on. I don't think Swift or SAR were ever headed this way unless we were under the cap and over paid which I KNOW you don't want.



[Edited by - killa4luv on 08-15-2005 09:50 AM]
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8/15/2005  9:47 AM
interesting...i never considered that Shandon's contract could be waived...since waiving Allan doesn't effect our cap situation anyway (since we'd be capped out regardless), i'd prefer they waived 1 of the PF's to clear some of the glut (Mo T being the ideal choice)...but i know Isiah won't do that & end up looking stupid for making the deal to get him in the first place, so my bet is they'll waive Shandon's contract since it's purely a financial move & they don't lose any players who can be used in a possible future trade.

if Allan retires i think it would be the best for both parties...Allan can go out being celebrated for the years of service he's given this franchise, & the Knicks can save money in the process...he doesn't deserve to be cast aside like yesterday's garbage imo.
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8/15/2005  9:56 AM
Posted by Killa4luv:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Rich:

If expiring contracts are so valuable, why did the Knicks trade shorter contracts for Mo Taylor?
The Knicks traded a total of zero expiring contracts for Mo Taylor.

semantics.
they would be considered EXPIRING DEALS RIGHT NOW.
which means we had a shot at SAR, swift, or other possible candidates. not to mention useful at the break.

but we needed to bring in mo to get over the .400 hump last year.

talent wise, hells yeah mo's better but he wasn't needed here. if the going rate was trade exemption + #1 for SAR, i think if given the choice of vin + moochie + #2 for mo or maybe, oh i don't know, wait till the summer and make a vin + spurs #1 for SAR trade...people would've chose the latter.

but i digress...

we'll find out soon.
Its not semantics, they were either expiring contracts or they weren't. And they weren't. They were shorter by a season and Mo Taylor is better by a mile so it makes sense, imo. Mo had productive games with us, and probably will again this year and next. Whether he is a player we need with Rose, JYD, Sweets, etc. is a good point, but those contracts would have been dead weight and 2 roster spots.

SAR didn't want to come here to play SF and Swift didn't want to come here for MLE money, he had the oppurtunity and chose Houston over other teams who offered more money.

What other players could have been had I don't know, but it seems pointless unless we can point to a player we truly missed out on. I don't think Swift or SAR were ever headed this way unless we were under the cap and over paid which I KNOW you don't want.



[Edited by - killa4luv on 08-15-2005 09:50 AM]

we could've gotten shaq.
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8/15/2005  11:20 AM
DJ, Shaq doesn't want to live near NY. The NY press grilled him over not pushing for NY multiple times in his career and he always had some excuse. I think many people would actually be surprised at how many athlethes hate the notion of playing in NY. Shaq recently said too much traffic. I mean NY is used and abused by these guys during contract talks. I when the Knicks were under the cap, they had a horrible time attracting super free agents. Look at the Ewing years. And who could blame them, that man was rip by the press, look at Marbury now. You don't think of guys see that stuff. If the Knicks ever do get under the cap, I think many people are going to be in for a rude awakening about how many quality guys will actually want to play in NY.
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8/15/2005  11:55 AM
H20 is dolan' boy !!! This was clearly a Dolan move even if Isiah wanted Houston to be the victim. Doaln makes the final say..

I won't be surpise if H20 remains a knick till the very end of his contract..
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8/15/2005  1:15 PM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Bonn1997:

The Knicks traded a total of zero expiring contracts for Mo Taylor.
The contracts they traded were shorter than Mo's contracts. This move does not go along with the expiring contract theory.


omg, big deal... contracts arent viewed as having value unless they are expiring...

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8/15/2005  1:18 PM
Posted by jaydh:

omg, big deal... contracts arent viewed as having value unless they are expiring...
not sure what you mean. I meant exactly what I said, nothing more nothing less.
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