And, I keep trying to get an answer from you, What impact player Could/Should we have added this year?

I mean, I'm seeing a ton of names, but no magic in these names, all are worst than james and possibly 1 to 2 mill cheaper? Come on man, snap out of it.

btw...I said it before, I'll say it again.

Frye/JJ upgrade over Kurt/Nazr.

[Edited by - rvhoss on 08/10/2005 11:56:32]

My point exactly.

Posted by Knight:

If we are talking about "big money" and the Knicks players then Jerome James should be one of the last names out of anybody's mouth.

I'm not talking about a magical trade, I'm talking about staying flexible because we are a 33 win team. That means unless your adding an impact player you either go young or short term. JJ is neither. Not sure why this is hard to understand, after you watched in recent years as players that filled needs like Shandon, Eisley, Travis Knight, and Spoon were all given LONG term deals.

Has they all been signed for 2 years we would be in a much different position today.

Go ahead and tell yourself it doesnt matter. Keep saying it over and over again, until it you start to believe it.

The salary cap is what, $49.5m? And JJ is making 1/10th of that for us.

I don't see that as a major problem.

Now, if we do something stupid like another Marb & Penny deal where we turn TT & Penny into more long term dead weight deals, than, yes, that is bad.

JJ sucks, but at least he belongs in the NBA. We have yet to find out if Frye belongs here.

Posted by Knight:

We're not a 33 win team with LB and the new players so one of your premises is wrong.

Go on the record... how many wins are we good for an which player we brought in is having the big impact?

Posted by fishmike:

Posted by Knight:

We're not a 33 win team with LB and the new players so one of your premises is wrong.

Go on the record... how many wins are we good for an which player we brought in is having the big impact?

It's not one player, its our collection of players and depth! I will go on the record saying we are a 45-50 win team. And you?

Posted by Knight:

Sweetney will probably get more minutes at PF, JJ will start at C and Frye will fill in at both. Sweets can board and score as much as KT and JJ is a much better defender than Nazr--throw in Frye who can score in any number of ways and grab some boards and I'll take that rotation anyday over KT and Nazy.

I will take that rotation also, in fact I'm DAMN excited about it, but there is no way you can sit here and promise that it will be better than KT/Nazr. Maybe Sweetney really improves, but Frye and JJ are busts, or maybe Frye is great but it takes him 50 games, and Sweetney regresses. Maybe Sweetney and JJ are what they are. Foul prone and slow on D.

I share you excitement, I really do, but I dont see one concrete reason to assume the best will happen, as it rarely does.

JJ's deal is not going to kill us. Its very different from Rice, Shandon, Eisley and fatspoon.

Its exactly the same as those guys except Rice.

It's not one player, its our collection of players and depth! I will go on the record saying we are a 45-50 win team. And you?

I think if this is our roster we win 38 games. Thats a 5 game improvement. I do think however that you see something similar to what you saw when Hubie first took over the Grizz. Even though the wins arent adding up you can see the team taking a turn, playing smarter ball, playing better D and getting closer to being good. I just think the young guys and some of the older (Craw,Q) will really need a year to buy into this learn to play this style.

I think we can win more, and even lose more, but if I had to pick what will happen see above. I think thats most realistic

Posted by rvhoss:

My point exactly.

Posted by Knight:

If we are talking about "big money" and the Knicks players then Jerome James should be one of the last names out of anybody's mouth.

JJ is paid the MLE, that's the value the average NBA player makes. Stop pretending he has a huge contract.

Its exactly the same as those guys except Rice.

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huh? all those guys got more than the $29 mil James got.