Another thing: Rick Carlisle took over Detroit and won 50 games there his first two years. Brown sure as hell didn't rebuild there. In fact, all the pieces were in place except for Rasheed, who fell into Brown's lap because of dumb Danny Ainge. So Carlisle did "the heavy lifting" as was said in Detroit, and Brown walked into a real good situation. He did beat the Lakers which was unexpected and a great job but there was no "built from the ground up" job done there. This year you can argue he had the best team and were it not for Wade getting hurt, he wouldn't have made it to the Finals. The Heat may have closed them out in six games.

Posted by rojasmas:

Another thing: Rick Carlisle took over Detroit and won 50 games there his first two years. Brown sure as hell didn't rebuild there. In fact, all the pieces were in place except for Rasheed, who fell into Brown's lap because of dumb Danny Ainge. So Carlisle did "the heavy lifting" as was said in Detroit, and Brown walked into a real good situation. He did beat the Lakers which was unexpected and a great job but there was no "built from the ground up" job done there. This year you can argue he had the best team and were it not for Wade getting hurt, he wouldn't have made it to the Finals. The Heat may have closed them out in six games.

What in the world are you talking about? The fact that LB led the Pistons to a Title only enhances his coaching status. Now you can't say that he is only a reclamation project coach, cuz he can win with talent or without. No other coach in the NBA can say that. Every other Coach at least has had one of the top players in the league. Riley & Jackson certainly had loaded teams. Brown took an offensively limited Sixers team and the no superstar Pistons to the finals. That takes skill my friend. I'm 40 years old and I can't remember ever seeing a coach do as much with any kind of team as he has over his career.
All of his teams were different and he found a way to win with the players he had. I'd take Brown, then Riley then Jackson in that order.

Or should I say title, it's been a long day.

So Brown had a good team for two years! Listen to yourself for once and you'll realize how retarded you sound.

You are telling us that you'd rather have Karl over Brown which is just plain dumb.

Your argument about how Jordan was made by Jackson is ludicrous if thats a word lol. Collins had Jordan when he was young and not in his prime yet, hence, they did not win YET.

Shaq went to the finals right away with Orlando, do you even remember who the coach of that team was? So your argument about how Shaq did not win before Phil showed is horse**** too.

Karl did a pathetic job in Seattle with very good teams, and he was pretty bad for the Bucks, too. Look what McMillan did with Allen, and I hoep you realize that the Bucks had way more talent in Allen, Cassel and Big Dog then Seattle did last year in Allen and Lewis.

I mean none of what you are sayin makes any sene, are you just startin this thread for the sake of argument or what?

[Edited by - simrud on 08/10/2005 11:08:37]

Posted by rojasmas:

Jackson nine titals, Brown one tital, interesting logic...

Jackson Jordan/pippen (6 titles) (jordan retires, they don't get past the knicks), Shaq/Kobe (3 titles) (they lost to Larry Brown in Detroit btw, so he retires)

Brown, success with garbage. If Jackson was so good, he'd be here in New York (a team he once played for)

[Edited by - rvhoss on 08/10/2005 11:27:28]

So because I didn't mention that Brian Hill was the coach of Shaq and Penny in Orlando means I don't have an argument?
Kobe won titles with Jackson as coach when he was a kid, why couldn't Collins win with Jordan when he was young? That made no sense. I never said Karl was better than Brown, I said equally as good. Same goes for Adelman and Sloan. Tier two coaches beneath Jackson and Riley is the point.

Posted by rojasmas:

So because I didn't mention that Brian Hill was the coach of Shaq and Penny in Orlando means I don't have an argument?
Kobe won titles with Jackson as coach when he was a kid, why couldn't Collins win with Jordan when he was young? That made no sense. I never said Karl was better than Brown, I said equally as good. Same goes for Adelman and Sloan. Tier two coaches beneath Jackson and Riley is the point.

its because Phil changed Jordans game and made him into the player he became. Jordan never would have won 6 rings if it werent for phil.

so, let me get this straight...now bobs, simrud and I agree.

When does the freakin season start!?!?

Posted by Killa4luv:

Posted by rojasmas:

Kobe won titles with Jackson as coach when he was a kid, why couldn't Collins win with Jordan when he was young?

Um, I think Kobe was playing with this guy named uh-SHAQ!!!!

and penny played with the same guy under brian hill....and your point ?