^ solid point, but do you REALLY wanna take the chance on Darius Miles, knowing that he hasn't proven otherwise so far and that he has a monstrosity of a contract he's toting with him?

Personally, I'm passing. Let Boston have him...

We could get Miles but do we need him? No, and whenever we trade TT or just let him expire, other better options will likely be avaliable...

Posted by crzymdups:

Posted by TMS:

just get Ruben Patterson & Theo Ratliff in a deal for TT & Mo T if you want to add a perimeter defender & a C...both those guys will fit into LB's system nicely.

why trade for Darius Miles who's the exact opposite of the type of player that LB likes to plug into his rotations? add that to the fact that he's signed to a longterm contract...who wants a malcontent, immature & selfish player who's uncoachable on this team for the next 5 years.

I'm not buying the malcontent line. No one was calling him a malcontent when he was running in Clip-dom with Q. Portland seems to be a breeding ground for hatred right now. That team is hated by it's fans (who I guess were spoiled by those 27 years of playoffs and guys like Clyde), Darius needs a change of scenery. It's not like he didn't produce.

Miles trouble didn't start in Portland. He had issues with coaches in Cleveland, and never really developed as a player in LA. I say no to Miles. I wanted him to go to SJU, I wanted the Knicks to draft him, now I just want him to be forgotten. BTW, Briggs please let me know how often you see a coach and player get into a racial tongue warfare. Myself and the others especially members of the press would be very interested in that story. If you didn't know, in 2005 that is big news.

Yup. I agree. Let TT's contract expire. Also, cut Penny for the amnesty clause. Let's run with what we have, no need to act impatiently.

I think Ariza is the best option right now at SF just for his defensive ability. He is not lockdown but he is capable of playing guys extremely tough. Lebron doesn't like him at all (goes back to their HS days), he plays Wade tough. I take whatever from him from offense as long as he provides good defense. JYD is better served off the bench in my opinion, along with Lee and Nate as your energy guys. Personally, I think our big man will be in foul trouble all season long. Keeping Frye and James out of foul trouble will be a great task for LB. Throw in Rose, JYD and Lee to the hacking situation.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Bonn1997:

Posted by BRIGGS:

If i could get a package of Miles for an ending contract or Miles and Patterson for a combination of ending contracts, I will do it.

I posted this on a thread the other day

Malik Rose to Boston for Mark Blount a Boston #1 pick in 2007 and a 2006 2nd rounder

Tim Thomas and Jackie Butler to Portland for Ruben Patterson and Darius Miles


that would give us a third C and increase our defense 100%. At the end of the dya my bet is LB would rather have Miles and Patterson on the D than Malik and Thomas + we get a similar deal we did with SA where we take on a little extra $ at the end --give them rose and get a third C who has good talent

Why not keep TT? TT will call Miles fugazy once he steals TT's starting spot and Miles will do what he always does: fight a teammate (TT) in a bar at night and get arrested and get suspended for conduct detrimental to the team. It's amazing how you're willing to overlook a player's character history because he had a 47 point game.

They would want an ending contract and TT plays their positions. Character, wasn't John Starks a guy who claimed he introduced crack cocaine to Tulsa Oklahoma? Im not worried about a guy who called his coach a name[happens both ways in sports all the time] from everything I read, Darius is a good kid playing in a bad environment. If there is a poster boy for character problems, it was sheed. Im not going to go back and name all the problems with sheed, but they make a profane outburst look like sunday school. Miles and Patterson will make us much better NOW. Today. To me the Tim Thomas experience is done and if its not, its just a combustible problem waiting to happen.

you have to understand Larry brown to know where Im coming from--hed RATHER have the defensive player than the offensive player--miles Patterson--defense who CAN ALSO provide offense.
Guys like Tim Thomas and Q, if they are here--I see them as the two main targets for the bench.

Craw will get to play 1 so he will guard 1 and he CAN guard 1, and while Marbury is short he is strong enough to guard 2 at times.

guys like Q and TT===no for L brown.

You don't get it. I don't want to keep TT to play basketball. We need to keep TT so that Darius can beat the **** out of him in a bar fight Give them Penny if they require an expiring contract...

Saving money purposes


IF they can get allan to retire because of injury, they could amnesty him AND collect on 80% of his 40mm. That would save the knicks 72+mm$ in the next 2 years alone.

If they have a strategic plan for allan's ending contract, they could buyout and waive penny, knowing that we have a large ending contract in thomas.

obviously, the best thing for the knicks $ wise is if allan retires
maybe allan will be able to give back to the organization what they gave to him. They treated and paid him as well as it gets, this is a chance for allan to repay the loyalty

First of all, Darius Miles is too much of a question mark to really consider. Sure, there are guys like Ricky Davis that eventually get their **** together, but he's the exception, not the rule.

Miles puts up All-Star numbers WHEN he's given 35+ MPG, but that's rare. There's a reason he hasn't spent more than 20 minutes on the floor for 3 different teams - he has all the talent in the world, but he has a huge attitude problem, is selfish, and immature (both as a person and player).

Do you REALLY wanna take on that risk? Not only that, but his contract is disgusting. If you trade for Miles now, and he doesn't pan out (wouldn't surprise me), then you have him on the books for 5 more years.

We need players that have anything BUT "potential". We have Crawford and a nice core of youngsters, and that's enough potential for me. There's a reason guys like LJ and Oakley are reveered by Knick fans - what they lacked in talent they made up with heart...

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 08/08/2005 15:11:47]

bobs 3304 i think you may have knocked out the uk server by hitting the hit new reply button 20 times an hour. do you have an opinion on boogers? you know should I pick them, use a tissue, pick and fling and blame it on the kids, pick and hide under the bed? feed them to the pooch? whats your take on my booger dilemna? but please keep it to 4 replies or less.

Posted by BRIGGS:

bobs 3304 i think you may have knocked out the uk server by hitting the hit new reply button 20 times an hour. do you have an opinion on boogers? you know should I pick them, use a tissue, pick and fling and blame it on the kids, pick and hide under the bed? feed them to the pooch? whats your take on my booger dilemna? but please keep it to 4 replies or less.

LOL

Miles would be great. I love Ariza but agree with Briggs that he's not ready to be a starter. Forget about Mile's potential. I'm not looking for him to do anything here he hasnt accomplished in the NBA yet. Run the floor like a dear and use the great length to swat shots and wreak havok on the D.

Look at the personalities LB and IT have dealth with in the past I think they can handle Mile's issues.