who's to say that the rebuilding bulls would even consider giving up pretty much half of there future for kg. bare in mind the bulls are rebuilding w/nothing but young players. who would they surround kg with? not even getting into the money. maybe something along the lines of...sweets/TT/penny/and 2 first rounders for, KG/wally. rough numbers, do what you gotta do to make it work. <--ofcourse that would put minny in full rebuild mode w/only one long contract. (hassell)

Rebuilding? They got the 4th seed in the Eastern Conference last year. How is that rebuilding? They have alot of good young players and can trade some of them for a proven all star. We're rebuilding, they're competeing. Money is not an object for Chicago. If they were to trade away some of their young players they still have Chris Duhon, Ben Gordon, Eddy Curry, Andres Nocioni. They could sign another point guard and be good to go. This is if they had to move Heinrich, Chandler and Deng.

Posted by daddynel:

who's to say that the rebuilding bulls would even consider giving up pretty much half of there future for kg. bare in mind the bulls are rebuilding w/nothing but young players. who would they surround kg with? not even getting into the money. maybe something along the lines of...sweets/TT/penny/and 2 first rounders for, KG/wally. rough numbers, do what you gotta do to make it work. <--ofcourse that would put minny in full rebuild mode w/only one long contract. (hassell)

If they sign Chandler, along with A Davis and Piatkowski, it would work money wise and they could take on Wallyworld too.

If its so easy to make the playoffs in that conference THAN WHY DIDNT WE MAKE THE PLAYOFFS? I watched that series and it was a battle to the finish. Chicago showed alot of guts and future potential. Something we did not show at all last year. They have a young nucleus that made the playoffs. Thats not rebuilding, thats built and ready to compete in my book. Adding a KG and a veteran or two would put them in a higher bracket.

Its like this mentality that only the Knicks are trying to get better. If KG were on the market there would be 18 offers from other teams. And believe alot of them would have more trade value than what we have.

Im sorry to say but teams around the league are not into Sweetney, Fry, Crawford or alot of the players we have here.

Posted by daddynel:

Posted by toodarkmark:

Rebuilding? They got the 4th seed in the Eastern Conference last year. How is that rebuilding? They have alot of good young players and can trade some of them for a proven all star. We're rebuilding, they're competeing. Money is not an object for Chicago. If they were to trade away some of their young players they still have Chris Duhon, Ben Gordon, Eddy Curry, Andres Nocioni. They could sign another point guard and be good to go. This is if they had to move Heinrich, Chandler and Deng.

Posted by daddynel:

who's to say that the rebuilding bulls would even consider giving up pretty much half of there future for kg. bare in mind the bulls are rebuilding w/nothing but young players. who would they surround kg with? not even getting into the money. maybe something along the lines of...sweets/TT/penny/and 2 first rounders for, KG/wally. rough numbers, do what you gotta do to make it work. <--ofcourse that would put minny in full rebuild mode w/only one long contract. (hassell)

you actually think it was that dificult to make the playoffs in that confrence? oh and by the way they were ousted pretty quickly. look at the avg. age and amount of time in the league for those players, you actually think there NOT in re-build mode? one more thing, do you think that heinrich, chandler, and deng's contracts' add up to kg's 18mil? (ofcourse that's under the assumption that chicago would do this)

guys you totally missing the point of this thread, and that was to squash the massive injection of Kool-Aid going on. Garnett will not be in a Knicks uniform come February. You know why? B/c even if they do suck, Mchale would ask for Frye, Ariza, Timmy, Penny, and draft picks for KG and whatever horrid contracts they wanna throw in. Now, Isiah has no qualms about making bad business decisions, but he's too rigid to trade certain players even for a Kevin Garnett.

Not only that, but teams like Dallas, Chicago, and Portland could offer much better deals. Would I like KG in NY - wtf do you think the answer is? But guess what, I live in the REAL world, and it's not happening. Same reason why Artest and Pierce won't be coming here either.

How do I know. Just call me Nostra-friggin-damus.


Oh, and with a KG as your star player, it's always easier to rebuild WITH him than without him. KG is the reason they make money. He's the reason they even matter. Take him away, and they're worse off than the Bulls were 5 years ago. If you're trading Garnett, you BETTER have an amazing reason for doing so.

[Edited by - BOBS3304 on 08/04/2005 07:59:02]

Posted by bobs3304:

guys you totally missing the point of this thread, and that was to squash the massive injection of Kool-Aid going on. Garnett will not be in a Knicks uniform come February. You know why? B/c even if they do suck, Mchale would ask for Frye, Ariza, Timmy, Penny, and draft picks for KG and whatever horrid contracts they wanna throw in. Now, Isiah has no qualms about making bad business decisions, but he's too rigid to trade certain players even for a Kevin Garnett.

Not only that, but teams like Dallas, Chicago, and Portland could offer much better deals. Would I like KG in NY - wtf do you think the answer is? But guess what, I live in the REAL world, and it's not happening. Same reason why Artest and Pierce won't be coming here either.

How do I know. Just call me Nostra-friggin-damus.


Oh, and with a KG as your star player, it's always easier to rebuild WITH him than without him. KG is the reason they make money. He's the reason they even matter. Take him away, and they're worse off than the Bulls were 5 years ago. If you're trading Garnett, you BETTER have an amazing reason for doing so.

[Edited by - BOBS3304 on 08/04/2005 07:59:02]

Did Toronto have an amazing reason for trading Vince Carter? What about L.A. when they traded for Shaq? C'mon son.. I know you claim to be an advocate for posting "sensible" trades; but who actually determines what is sensible? In what sense, can we justify which trades are deemed as realistic vs mere idea and concept?

The truth of the matter is, none of us TRULY know what the GM is considering when making deals. Some GM'S would crave talent, some suggest the value is in draft picks, others are seeking financial flexibility. Its hard to pin-point what motivates someone to do one thing vs. the next. I will say this though... anything is possible. A KG trade to NYK may very well be unlikely, but there is always a chance! Thats the premise of this thread...

My dude, 4 real you gotta be e-z.. if you think that everyone on here is gonna post all fact, you are buggin! This is a place to have fun, and give general thoughts as a knick fan.. Keep in mind the emphasis on the word "FAN". No matter how rational or off-kilter the post may be, we are all entitled to type what we want. You have a choice to contribute, or ignore.. and really, the latter is the advice i'd suggest to you as a viewer of a thread you think is foolish. People are not gonna change their way of thinking just cause you think they should.


[Edited by - JayNYC on 08/04/2005 12:00:17]

Mchale would ask for Frye, Ariza, Timmy, Penny, and draft picks for KG

Ok so what's wrong with that?

I don't know the number off hand but if the Knicks are giving that up KG and Wally would be coming over here. Great!

Isiah still would have plenty of chips to rearange the roster if he wanted to.

KG
Wally
JJ
Marbs
Q

Awesome!
The bench for the Knicks would still be potent. Isiah could still make other trades to fill out the roster....Like trading Craw to Atlanta or Portland for Miles or Al Harrington?
Aside from that there could be a trade made wih one of our bigs for a shooting guard replacement for Craw.

Easy!

All the more reasons to get this trade done.