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8/2/2005  11:59 PM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by rvhoss:

with the way the east is shaping up, 500 gets the atlantic.


That's about where I stopped reading.


You obviously forgot about Philly and NJ.


Optimism is being able to sort through the good and the bad of a given situation, and hoping for the best.

What you're showing isn't optimism. It's a blatant disregard for common sense...

I read an article today that listed Shareef Abdur Rahim as the worst defensive big man in the entire NBA. Just saying. The Nets will be good, but they have plenty of questions. Let's also not forget that McInnis is insane and Jason can't really run anymore. And how long til Vince gets a hangnail that keeps out a month? The Nets could win 55 games, or implode and win 35. Neither would surprise me.


here's the article: http://danrosenbaum.blogspot.com/2005/07/defense-for-big-men-what-do-adjusted.html

[Edited by - crzymdups on 08/03/2005 00:00:24]
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8/3/2005  12:02 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

ut oh...I awoke grouchy pants.


Actually, it's you that needs to wake the **** up buddy.


"We will contend this year" ? Contend for what - mediocrity. In all fairness, I don't see how we will beat out Philly and obviously New Jersey in the Atlantic. Then you have Indiana, Detroit, and Miami who will def. have better records. So as far as I'm concerned, the only "contending" we'll be doing is for the 6th - 8th spots in the East, and even that is pushing it. Have you forgot about Cleveland, Washington, Chicago, and even Milwaukee?

That's not optimism. Just wishful thinking.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/3/2005  12:03 AM
don't forget that webber is basically a bigger H20.

Iverson isn't surrounded by that many heady veterans. Not really worried about that matchup...we matched up with them last year and we've gotten better in the off season. (no h20 last year)

Same with Celtics (well, they blew us out, but they lose payton and walker and they are a bunch of kids like the baby bulls and wizards).

So, I say again, we can still win the division...I think frye will be able to abuse kristic.
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8/3/2005  12:03 AM
I'm pretty sure we are going to sweep Boston and Chicago this year. And the lakers will not win here.

You smoking or somethin' bro? Chicago is on the rise of being a future contender and if they can retain Ty Chandler and they continue to improve from last season (They'll be fine with or w/o Curry) then we'll have no way of stopping them. Their backcourt is better than ours, with Heinrick and Ben Gordon and Duhon, and just having Chandler makes their frontcourt better than ours. We WILL NOT sweep Chicago. We can maybe split with them, but you have nothing to prove that as of yet. Oh by the way, if Kwame turns out to be even at Chris Mihms level, then the Lakers will kill us in everyway, especially under Phil Jackson. And trust me dude, I'm not a Knick pessimist. I just think a lot of people are overrating this team, just like how I said people were overrating us last year, before pre season started.
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8/3/2005  12:04 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by crzymdups:

Briggs, I think those numbers are pretty close to best case scenario for Frye and Sweetney. I think Frye can give you 12 and 7 and Sweetney could probably give 14 and 9 if he learns to stay on the floor. This team does have a lot of firepower, no Ray Allens, but plenty of scoring depth from PG to SF. Shoot even Mo T and Sweets can fill it. I'm not looking for scoring from Sweetney or Frye though. I could care less if Frye scored 9ppg or 14ppg right off the bat. I'm much more interested to see if he can make an impact on defense and improve his rebounding. To me, it would be worse if he came out and scored 14ppg but it was a Tim Thomas no impact 14pts.

I feel good about the offense, although I was in favor of picking someone else, I KNOW Frye has OUTSTANDING offensive skills, his best attribute on the court is his touch. Thats why I feel he needs to be out there and 14 points is a very reasonable number. But you hit on something--rebounding--almost more than the points, we need these guys to hit those rebounding goals because James is a PI SS POOR rebounder from the 5.

Agreed about James. I just hope Frye can make an impact out there, to me it's not even about numbers. Look at Ariza's impact, it wasn't as much about numbers as changing the tempo and feel of the game. When you get a guy as big as Frye who can be that disruptive to the offense or defense, it's special. Sweetney, I would agree with you, it's time for him to put up something resembling 30mpg and a double double night in and night out. If this team can't count on Sweetney to produce, it's time to find out so we can use the expiring contracts to get a real PF (hopefully).
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8/3/2005  12:05 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

don't forget that webber is basically a bigger H20.

Iverson isn't surrounded by that many heady veterans. Not really worried about that matchup...we matched up with them last year and we've gotten better in the off season. (no h20 last year)

Same with Celtics (well, they blew us out, but they lose payton and walker and they are a bunch of kids like the baby bulls and wizards).

So, I say again, we can still win the division...I think frye will be able to abuse kristic.


How can you be 35 y/o?

It's like you say this ****, and don't even try backing it up. Webber a bigger H2O? Stay off the Special K man. Check out Webber's average last year. You'll be pleasantly surprise to find out that he was one of the Top 5 PF's production-wise.

H2O......not so much.

THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK/TYPE DUDE.
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8/3/2005  12:06 AM
who is going to be pushing frye around? Shaq...Detroit...JOneil...after that, it's a wash.

Maybe I'm missing maggliore and somebody else, but with only seeing SL play, he looks like he can handle himself...he's not a deer in headlights, he's coming to play in a man's league and knows it.

He's fully prepared.
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This is why I say there's a chance Frye might not even leave the bench much Briggs. He's gonna get pushed around like crazy, and I just don't see Larry Brown standing for that. I have a feeling we might be seeing a lot of Malik and JYD this year.
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8/3/2005  12:07 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

who is going to be pushing frye around? Shaq...Detroit...JOneil...after that, it's a wash.

Maybe I'm missing maggliore and somebody else, but with only seeing SL play, he looks like he can handle himself...he's not a deer in headlights, he's coming to play in a man's league and knows it.

He's fully prepared.



UN-FRIGGIN-BELIEVABLE.


DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/3/2005  12:08 AM
Posted by bobs3304:
Posted by rvhoss:

don't forget that webber is basically a bigger H20.

Iverson isn't surrounded by that many heady veterans. Not really worried about that matchup...we matched up with them last year and we've gotten better in the off season. (no h20 last year)

Same with Celtics (well, they blew us out, but they lose payton and walker and they are a bunch of kids like the baby bulls and wizards).

So, I say again, we can still win the division...I think frye will be able to abuse kristic.


How can you be 35 y/o?

It's like you say this ****, and don't even try backing it up. Webber a bigger H2O? Stay off the Special K man. Check out Webber's average last year. You'll be pleasantly surprise to find out that he was one of the Top 5 PF's production-wise.

H2O......not so much.

THINK BEFORE YOU SPEAK/TYPE DUDE.


whoa. There is no valid stastical analysis or anecdotal analysis that puts Webber anywhere near the top 5 PFs in the game anymore. Webber is done. He hates playing with Iverson. He's basically a better passing Kurt Thomas right now - without the defense. Webber is so done, man. Maybe you didn't see Webber when he could actually play - but let me tell you, he used to be able to jump. Webber has been one of my favorite players since his rookie days, don't insult his memory by claiming that what he is now is remotely close to what he was...
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8/3/2005  12:09 AM
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This is why I say there's a chance Frye might not even leave the bench much Briggs. He's gonna get pushed around like crazy, and I just don't see Larry Brown standing for that. I have a feeling we might be seeing a lot of Malik and JYD this year.

Frye has to play tough and smart. Im not worried about him being pushed around, I mean Chris Bosh weighs 225 pounds. Hes got to get out there and give us 30+ minutes. Im reading on another post that a guy thinks that Jerome James will go from rebounding like a 2G to a top 3 rebounder in the league with 25 minutes of action. I think I will lay my chips with Frye and Sweetney.
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8/3/2005  12:11 AM
http://realgm.com/src_playerrankings.php?filter=pf



PRODUCTION-WISE. Top 10.


I am in no way shape or form suggesting that Webber is a dominant Pf anymore...

[Edited by - BOBS3304 on 08/03/2005 00:12:27]
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8/3/2005  12:12 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by Allanfan20:

This is why I say there's a chance Frye might not even leave the bench much Briggs. He's gonna get pushed around like crazy, and I just don't see Larry Brown standing for that. I have a feeling we might be seeing a lot of Malik and JYD this year.

Frye has to play tough and smart. Im not worried about him being pushed around, I mean Chris Bosh weighs 225 pounds. Hes got to get out there and give us 30+ minutes. Im reading on another post that a guy thinks that Jerome James will go from rebounding like a 2G to a top 3 rebounder in the league with 25 minutes of action. I think I will lay my chips with Frye and Sweetney.

I really hope Frye doesn't end up in LB's doghouse for something stupid...

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8/3/2005  12:12 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

who is going to be pushing frye around? Shaq...Detroit...JOneil...after that, it's a wash.

Maybe I'm missing maggliore and somebody else, but with only seeing SL play, he looks like he can handle himself...he's not a deer in headlights, he's coming to play in a man's league and knows it.

He's fully prepared.
Posted by Allanfan20:

This is why I say there's a chance Frye might not even leave the bench much Briggs. He's gonna get pushed around like crazy, and I just don't see Larry Brown standing for that. I have a feeling we might be seeing a lot of Malik and JYD this year.

After reading that post, I have come to the conclusion that you just haven't been paying attention and didn't watch any Summer league games. He got pushed around by EVERYONE in the league. Just Shaq and JO dude? How about flat out simply the Kurt Thomases of the world? What happens when he goes against Ben Wallace? Emeka? Dwight Howard. Yeah, those guys are all in the East (Well, not Thomas.) Heck, Shaqs teammates Haslem can get push him around too. The guy NEEDS to bulk up, or else I'm telling you, he's not getting off the bench.
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8/3/2005  12:14 AM
Posted by bobs3304:

http://realgm.com/src_playerrankings.php?filter=pf



PRODUCTION-WISE. Top 10.


I am in no way shape or form suggesting that Webber is a dominant Pf anymore...

[Edited by - BOBS3304 on 08/03/2005 00:12:27]


You said top 5. And his averages slipped to 15pts and 7reb and 3ast on 39% shooting when he went to Iverson-land. Webber is done. At least Allan Houston can shoot 45% with no knees.


Also, looking at last year's stats, I can tell you that JOneal, Dwight Howard and Bosh are all getting ready to pass Webber this year. And that's just for starters. Poor guy. I wonder if Philly will waive him.

[Edited by - crzymdups on 08/03/2005 00:16:17]
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Allan, don't even bother with these guys. They'll have to find out on their own.


14 and 7 for Frye in his rookie year. That's so hilarious I forgot to laugh......


but then I did.
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8/3/2005  12:16 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by bobs3304:

http://realgm.com/src_playerrankings.php?filter=pf



PRODUCTION-WISE. Top 10.


I am in no way shape or form suggesting that Webber is a dominant Pf anymore...

[Edited by - BOBS3304 on 08/03/2005 00:12:27]


You said top 5. And his averages slipped to 15pts and 7reb and 3ast on 39% shooting when he went to Iverson-land. Webber is done. At least Allan Houston can shoot 45% with no knees.


I'm talking strictly about last year. Who knows how Webber will bounce back next season. I don't claim to know, and either should you.

To say that H2O is better off now than Webber is is just incredibly dense.
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8/3/2005  12:17 AM
I claim to know that Webber is done.
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8/3/2005  12:18 AM
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You Don King? Wpw! By the way, We won 33 games last season. The Messiah has yet to deliver.

Let's see if we get 33 wins with the new coach that Isiah DID deliver. Give Isiah the some of that never-ending slack you always gave Scott LayDown, Nedyal.

While we are improving, the reality is we got a long way, and if the path to rightousness is a true one, it will be filled with some painful growth pains.

I'd believe we all agree with this; it's obvious.

And while your sermonizing and calling out those who speak some truth, some concerns, and speak their minds as unbelivers, some of your rants sound almost (dido) like your a half crazed moonie cult follower ready to strike down the infidel whom might have a differnt take!

Nah, all that it is, is my opinion. You still have that chip on your shoulder from being struck down years ago, it seems. Let it go, Nalod. It'll be okay. I'll still call out those who need to hear the truth, if that makes you feeel any better.

Your propoganda rants are up there with the best of them!

No propaganda necessary- I just tell it like it is. It's a "rant" when it's something you don't agree with? LMAO

Real fans ALWAYS have hope that their team will get better (and not afraid to say it), and smash venom back in the hateful snakes that spew it.
I thought that I got that through to you years ago, but I guess you want to try and impress the lil' newbies or something.

No matter, the things I said needed changing, for the most part, (during the time your former backwards namesake was runing the show) have been made. We're clearly moving up in the world as a team again. We have a REAL Prez/GM who thinks with his own brain, NOT Dolan's. We're getting players more along the lines of having Talent & Fire than the cornballs we had before. This is another truth that someone like you would only see as a rant, I guess.

I root for the NEW YORK KNICKS, and don't give a damn what anyone else thinks. Again. it's what real fans do.

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8/3/2005  12:18 AM
Posted by crzymdups:

I claim to know that Webber is done.


And on that note I'm goin night night.


DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/3/2005  12:19 AM
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This is why I say there's a chance Frye might not even leave the bench much Briggs. He's gonna get pushed around like crazy, and I just don't see Larry Brown standing for that. I have a feeling we might be seeing a lot of Malik and JYD this year.

Frye has to play tough and smart. Im not worried about him being pushed around, I mean Chris Bosh weighs 225 pounds. Hes got to get out there and give us 30+ minutes. Im reading on another post that a guy thinks that Jerome James will go from rebounding like a 2G to a top 3 rebounder in the league with 25 minutes of action. I think I will lay my chips with Frye and Sweetney.

Briggs, I agree that Frye can play smart and tough, but my question is this. If he is not built to play defense in the low post quite yet, like I think he might not be, and if he gets pushed around too much on the boards, you really think he'll be able to live up to the expectations you give, under LARRY BROWN? I mean, he didn't even play Darko. He can definitely get his points, b/c he's a really talented scorer inside and out, and he gets to the line too. But we all know what Larry is looking for, don't we.
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