The biggest trade ever... I wouldn't be surprised if that record is tied (or something comes close) during this season.

The mass player movement has only begun!

Posted by BigAppleStar3:

You guys are nuts, I cannot see Shaquille O'Neal-Antoine Walker-Dwyane Wade-Jason Williams working. This is not NBA Live. Those four are a bad fit offensively and especially defensively. No way they beat Detroit or Indiana.

you could put shaq and wade with 3 scrubs and they would win

Yeah man that was the biggest trade in NBA history. Awesome.

It's just exciting. This is the type of league I want the Knicks to compete in. I hope Isiah can continue to build this team so we can get in on all this action. The competition is getting a whole lot better.

what a freakin coup for Miami, upgrade PG, SF and get a great defender in Posey to come off the bench.

A couple of noteables in that trade. I think Walker will be starting at some point in the season, more than likely he will be starting at the 3 spot. He has a history of playing guys out of position. Reminds me of his love for Charles Smith at the 3 spot. Posey is very important for them because this trade kind of made them less of a defensive threat. Eddie Jones' defense is so underrated but Posey is a solid all around type player. I think it is now offical at least to me but that Marbury deal worked for the Knicks {please someone tell Mad Dog) Kirk Synder is now considered to be a bust, he had two bad seasons, two bad SL and this guy was suppose to be the most NBA ready player in that draft. Utah doesn't have a clue what to do, Ostertag why because Sloan understands him better than some of their new big men, Williams most be in great shape because I thought Raul would be the perfect backup to him.

Posted by oohah:

Walker got a $53 mil contract. Some people actually thought no one would offer him more than the MLE but he got almost double the MLE!

You are right about the salary, it's like guys haven't been watching the NBA for the last ten years. Walker has been a very good player, a playoff performer, and an all-star. He was arguably the best free-agent available this off-season. They need to recognize.

People were saying a lot of silly things about Walker and they still are, on this thread, in my marathon posts about Walker I stated that we would be lucky to land him for around 8 mil. Others argued that he wasn't getting/worth that much and/or the we would have to trade our entire future for him etc. (Actually contradictory points.) They (he) have also posted in this thread, but strangely, they (he) haven't mentioned how wrong they were....why do you think that is?

oohah




[Edited by - oohah on 08/03/2005 08:40:58]

You think we would have been lucky to land him at $8M because you want him on the team.

I say we're lucky to have not landed him at any price because i don't want him on the tema.

WHatever he got from any other team is irrelevnat to that basic difference of opinion.

Walker and Jwill give the heat some added playmaking in case shaq or wade miss any games during a series like they did last year.

He's building around Gasol with a low key, veteran, defensive team...

Posted by fishmike:

does anyone else hate the word "pseudotrade"

Stop "HATING" Fish,

Thats my little play on words for mock trades, or hypothetical scenario.. whatever other words used to label fan generated trades.

For you I'll switch it up, and call it "Fish's bait and reel" aight!

I'm not sold that this is as much of a slam dunk for Miami as it might appear at first blush. They had great chemistry on offense last season-- Shaq was the go-to guy/playmaker in the post, Wade the go-to guy/playmaker on the perimeter, and they had excellent role players like Haslem and Jones feeding off of the opportunities Shaq and Wade created with great efficiency.

Bringing in Williams to be the full time PG is going to take the ball out of Wade's hands a lot of the time, which I'm not sure is a good thing. It also remains to be seen how well Williams' freeflowing game can translate to structured halfcourt sets.

And of course, the Heat are going to be worse for every shot attempt that Walker takes, since he's such a low efficiency player coming onto such a high efficiency offense. Even Walker's playmaking skills are diminished here, since Shaq, Wade, and Williams are probably all better playmakers. On the other side of the ball, Walker is among the very worst defensive forwards in the league (don't know about JWill's D).

Posey might actually wind up being the Heat's best pickup in this trade. He can defend, and only a season or so ago was putting up red hot offensive numbers for the Grizz. At worst, he should still be an adequate stand-in for Eddie Jones.

Don't get me wrong, the Heat will (probably) be better than they were last season. But don't mark them down as automatic for the Finals just yet. Suppose Miami clashes with Indy in the conference finals, for example. The smart money says that Artest is going to make an absolute fool of Walker, just like KMart used to do every spring. Assuming Walker is a non-factor (he'll actually probably hurt them more than he'll help), that leaves Posey in place of Eddie Jones and Williams in place of Damon Jones (assuming they don't resign him). It could easily turn out that Posey isn't quite as good for them as Eddie was, and it could also turn out that Williams' style of play doesn't fit in as well as Damon Jones's 3 point gunning did last season. So it's not even a lock that against a tough opponent like Indy, this new Miami team is much better than last season's.