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martin
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8/3/2005  1:01 PM
Posted by HARDCOREKNICKSFAN:

I'm curious to see how LB influences Big Game James' defensive game. I think he'll be much better than Nazr as an intimidator down in the low blocks. Too often in seasons past, the opposition would get easy open lanes to the basket. It'll be good to see us make teams work hard for their shots for a change.

Besides the build and athleticism, the biggest difference between Nazr and Big Game is the desire to work hard to get better. It showed that Nazr practiced hard and if Big Game can do that, he will be a MUCH better player for the Knicks.
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Stevo718
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8/3/2005  1:09 PM
JJ is ALREADY an upgrade over Nazir and Kurt. Yes, Kurt.
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8/3/2005  1:31 PM
Is calling JJ "Big Game James" similar to calling a fat guy "Slim"?
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8/3/2005  1:39 PM
Posted by islesfan:

Is calling JJ "Big Game James" similar to calling a fat guy "Slim"?
Yea... think Briggs may have started that. Something about his good playoff run undoing 5 years of previous Felton Spenceresque mediocrity.

He fills a need and thats OK. Not really a guy I'm excited about, certainly not for the price when you consider some of the other MLE players that have bounced around this offseason
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8/3/2005  1:45 PM
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by islesfan:

Is calling JJ "Big Game James" similar to calling a fat guy "Slim"?
Yea... think Briggs may have started that. Something about his good playoff run undoing 5 years of previous Felton Spenceresque mediocrity.

He fills a need and thats OK. Not really a guy I'm excited about, certainly not for the price when you consider some of the other MLE players that have bounced around this offseason
Like who? The only two I can think of would be Shareef and Stro, who would have no reason to sign an MLE offer here to be one of six PFs.
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8/3/2005  1:52 PM
Posted by Stevo718:

JJ is ALREADY an upgrade over Nazir and Kurt. Yes, Kurt.

what the...man i swear, some Knicks fans deserve Layden

call Phoenix and ask them would they trade Q and the 21st pick for Jerome James.

I understand how it is, you want the Knicks to do the best they can but for you to sit here and make asinine statements such as James being an upgrade over Kurt and Nazr shows you have no clue.

How can a player who can't even stay on the court be an upgrade?
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8/3/2005  1:54 PM
Posted by Stevo718:

JJ is ALREADY an upgrade over Nazir and Kurt. Yes, Kurt.

Nazr MAYBE (defensively), Kurt I have to disagree with you on. KT was a hard working power forward who averaged 11 rebounds a game and had a consistent shot – he worked well on the pick and roll too. i don’t see how you can even say JJ is in the same league as him…I know a lot of people here disagree but I still think kurt was a good defensive player, a great rebounder, and a good scorer. JJ can’t rebound or score, and he’s more a defensive “presence” (i.e. he’s huge) rather than a defensive player.

[Edited by - nyballer on 08/03/2005 13:55:18]
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8/3/2005  1:56 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by fishmike:
Posted by islesfan:

Is calling JJ "Big Game James" similar to calling a fat guy "Slim"?
Yea... think Briggs may have started that. Something about his good playoff run undoing 5 years of previous Felton Spenceresque mediocrity.

He fills a need and thats OK. Not really a guy I'm excited about, certainly not for the price when you consider some of the other MLE players that have bounced around this offseason
Like who? The only two I can think of would be Shareef and Stro, who would have no reason to sign an MLE offer here to be one of six PFs.
it's a shame we couldn't get stro here. i would've liked a stro/frye/sweetney rotation at the 4/5, with malik rose and JYD or Mo t backing them up.
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8/3/2005  2:28 PM
Can we be a little more positive about the James signing? I happen to think IT knows what he's doing and from what i've seen of James, he does actually have ability. IT was smart enough to draft players who are well rounded and aggressive and to pick up QRich and James who are going to fill voids and give us balance. I think its very realistic that James will equal and in some ways exceed what Nazr gave us.

James under Larry Brown will be able to maximize his abilities and as a team overall we won't leave him out to dry as much as he's probably been in the past. We won't be jacking up 3's like the Sonics and he'll have help on the Boards and on D. I think its a recipe for success. But you guys go on thinking like this is the team of the past. I want to look at the good things IT has done for this team in the short time he's been here. IF you can't see that this team is MUCH better now then I don't know what you are looking at. We're 2 deep at every position. Even our bench players have game. We should also be one of the top FT shooting teams in the league. We have guys who will draw fouls and make the FT's on a consistent basis.
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8/3/2005  2:30 PM
james is a career 17 min 5/3 player.
he's been labeled fat and lazy.
he's now 30.
in his entire career, he's had one good 5 game stretch and that was against a center with a broken leg.

he is what he is.

if we get more - great.
if we get that - then we overpaid like crazy.

only thing to see if big game really is big game is for the season to start.
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8/3/2005  2:58 PM
Posted by bigpimpin:
Posted by Stevo718:

JJ is ALREADY an upgrade over Nazir and Kurt. Yes, Kurt.

what the...man i swear, some Knicks fans deserve Layden

call Phoenix and ask them would they trade Q and the 21st pick for Jerome James.

I understand how it is, you want the Knicks to do the best they can but for you to sit here and make asinine statements such as James being an upgrade over Kurt and Nazr shows you have no clue.

How can a player who can't even stay on the court be an upgrade?

JJ is better for the Knicks then Kurt. That is what I mean by an upgrade. Kurt just camped out 15 feet away from the basket all day and night. Explain how you would rather have a 6'9" no paint defense having, less than one free throw per game big man, with inflated rebound stats over a 7'1" shotblocker that can clog the paint, which is exactly what we have been missing since Ewing left.

It might be asinine to you cause all of you like to get b-u-t-t f-u-c--k-e-d by Kurts 10 rebounds per game stats, which is inflated and was only last season. Once you realize that: Kurt was our Center and the next tallest guy on the team that got real minutes was also 6'9", you might come to the conclusion that if you play Kurt at PF along a Center taller than 6'9", Kurt won't be averaging 10 rebounds a game.

Geeze... it's like Tim Thomas, he sure can score, but what else can he do? Tell me what else Kurt does but make our offense stagnant by standing 15 feet away from the basket and popping pick n roll jumpers with Marbury, (which was our main offensive weapon from our BIGS), watching the other team's players drive and dunk right by him, and take the occasional offensive foul.

Bottom line, he SHOULDN'T be our STARTING CENTER, never should have been.

Oh and my mistake he did average more than one trip to the free throw line per game. 80 games, 84 trips.

Opposing players would walk into our paint like it was a free p-u-s-s-y buffet. At least JJ will rectify this problem even if it is for only 24 minutes a game.
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8/3/2005  3:02 PM
Yeah Steve-O

While kurt may beat up on JJ if it's a one on one game, in a team game, I'll take the 7 foot shot blocker over the double PF playing center anytime.

seriously...I would. Especially if I have Frye and 4 PFs.
Posted by Stevo718:
Posted by bigpimpin:
Posted by Stevo718:

JJ is ALREADY an upgrade over Nazir and Kurt. Yes, Kurt.

what the...man i swear, some Knicks fans deserve Layden

JJ is better for the Knicks then Kurt.
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8/3/2005  3:09 PM
look, this is really how it is.

who would most teams rather have? KT hands down. he can log heavy minutes regularly, give you a double-double or close to it most nights, and do a decent job guarding the other team's best big man.

who do has more that the knicks need? JJ, definitely. we have a glut of PFs and no one 7' or over. we were dead last in shotblocking last season, JJ will block some shots and foul the rest of the players who venture in the lane, doing a better job manning the paint than KT. JJ is not as proficient offensively, but we'll get our scoring from elsewhere, he'll do fine if he finishes most of the dishes that come his way and runs the floor better than kurt "old man river" thomas.

JJ is not as good as KT, but he's bigger. and, uh, younger. bottom line, he's a better fit at this point, especially if we groom frye to do the things KT used to, pick and roll, pop the J.
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8/3/2005  3:19 PM
^ exactly.

Frye, in my mind atleast, is a taller, slightly more athletic version of KT (or atleast has the potential to be).

DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/3/2005  3:22 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

^ exactly.

Frye, in my mind atleast, is a taller, slightly more athletic version of KT (or atleast has the potential to be).

well, taller/more athletic KT with shotblocking and a post game, so i'm not sure the comparison is great. mostly i was talking about the pick and pop role. i like the sheed analogy better.

[Edited by - Masterplan on 08/03/2005 15:23:33]
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8/3/2005  3:26 PM
his role will be that of a kurt thomas.

sheed came into the league with more tools

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 08/03/2005 16:02:13]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/3/2005  9:26 PM
stevo what you fail to understand is reggie evans and danny fortson clog the middle more than james did. Dude, wake up.

No, Kurt isn't a CENTER just like James isn't a power forward.

but who's fault is that...Kurt or Isiah
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