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fishmike
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8/2/2005  4:38 PM
you just renforced my point.
Magloire - never plays
Big Ben - no arguement here, but way shy of 14 points
Shaq
Ilgauskus - slower than frozen syrup and 46% FGs not to impressive for a guy that 7'2
Curry - 16 points 5 rebounds ouch

Obviously Shaq and Ben arent even debatable, but if Frye hits Briggs' "anything less is a disappointment" 14/7 and > 48% FGs Channing WOULD BE one of the top centers in the east. Hard to argue those numbers.

Personally I'm happy if he's tough, gritty and gets quality minutes and shows improvement as the season goes on
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8/2/2005  4:40 PM
If he gets 6 and 4 with a block in 15 MPG I'll be stoked.




Seriously.
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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8/2/2005  4:40 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

If he gets 6 and 4 with a block in 15 MPG I'll be stoked.




Seriously.
me too

Seriously.
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8/2/2005  5:08 PM
frye 14+7 33 minutes

Mike Sweetney 28 minutes 14+9

James 17 min 5+4

Mo Taylor 19 min 9 +5 in

those are my expectations
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8/2/2005  5:29 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

frye 14+7 33 minutes

Mike Sweetney 28 minutes 14+9

James 17 min 5+4

Mo Taylor 19 min 9 +5 in

those are my expectations

I'm on board with all that. Except for the part where Mo T gets up off the bench. Ever.

I don't really think Frye will get that many minutes under Brown. Maybe EVENTUALLY (like March or April) he will - but I think that's the main drawback of Frye early on: Brown isn't going to let him play through his mistakes. I think November, Frye may play like 15mpg. Hopefully by April it's 32mpg. We'll see.
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8/2/2005  5:30 PM
Those are crazy expectations for the #8 pick as a rookie center. And you're putting way too much focus in Frye, Briggs (because he was picked ahead of the Bynum kid you admire?). When the majority of your players are young talented 19 to 25 year olds, you're not very reliant on any one of them. When you have five 1st rd draft picks in a 2 year period, you're not very reliant on any one of the picks working out perfectly. If you draft 2 or 3 or 4 first rounders every time there's a deep draft (which I think Isiah will) like this one, you're not reliant on any one of them turning out perfectly. The Knicks also have the assets to pull off another Marbury type of trade this season if they want to go that direction and get another star for Brown to coach and Marbury to play with. Frye's important, but he's just one of many important pieces.
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8/2/2005  6:03 PM
why is it crazy expectations?

for example nenad kristic put up 10+6 in 26 minutes, do a little math and that comes out to 14+7 in 36 minutes
nenad is 22 and pick 25

chris bosh put up 11+7 when he was 19 +17+9 when he was 20

most of the really good frontcourt players put up good numbers at age 22
Im putting more weight on Channing playing 4 years and having the ability to get his body in great shape for what he is.

The only other acceptable scenario is like Kristic where he only play 25-26 minutes, but puts up 10+5, but if he stays out of FT --Frye SHOULD get 33-35--i mean we won 30 games last year and malik rose and jyd are NOT the future.

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8/2/2005  6:23 PM
There's an easy way to answer this if someone wants to put time into it. Do some research and check what most centers drafted in the 6 to 11 range averaged as rookies and as 22 year olds. Look at both their #s per game and per 48 min since many rookies don't play a lot of minutes. Then we'll get an idea of what reasonable expectatins are. I'd be surprised if the average center drafted in that range averaged 14 PPG as a rookie. I'd bet it's closer it 10/5 per 30 minutes. I could be dead wrong, though. I haven't actually looked up the #s.
The bigger point is that although Frye is important, you're placing way too much emphasis on Frye and Frye alone IMO for the reasons I gave in the prior post.
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8/2/2005  6:24 PM
its not crazy. Whats crazy is calling him a big disappointment or that we should have someone else running the draft if he DOESNT put up those numbers. So for all those you mentioned there are just as many that just took a little more time. Krstic is a good one, but the Nets had ZERO depth. You may not like them but Rose, JYD, Mo T, James are all servicable frontcourt players. Expecting Frye to get 30+ minutes off the bat is a stretch
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8/2/2005  6:24 PM
whatever he puts up it better be better than the 18yr old Bynum puts up in year 1 thats all i gotta say because Frye was drafted because he's supposably more nba ready despite the fact that he is a tooth pick and can't rebound.
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8/2/2005  6:40 PM
4 year college players don't get a grace period.

They step in, they step up.

I expect Frye to be one of the best centers in the East AND Compete with the best of them...I expect him to play Jermaine Oneil tough, Get killed by Shaq, abuse kristic, play well against the pistons.

He's pretty good, he's got skills, he's tall, quick and from a premier program.

I fully expect him to put up Okafor like numbers. Whatever they were.


[Edited by - rvhoss on 08/02/2005 18:46:53]
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[quote]
Posted by rvhoss:

4 year college players don't get a grace period.

They step in, they step up.

I expect Frye to be one of the best centers in the East AND Compete with the best of them...I expect him to play Jermaine Oneil tough, Get killed by Shaq, abuse kristic, play well against the pistons.

He's pretty good, he's got skills, he's tall, quick and from a premier program.

I fully expect him to put up Okafor like numbers. Whatever they were.




NOW this is foolish expectations. he was never an elite rebounder, in fact he was quite poor in college, so putting expections of 7 rebounds per 35 minutes is fair.

It comes down to this, if Channing frye and Sweetney DONT put up 14 points each--were going to be in the lottery, well back into the lottery
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8/2/2005  7:02 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

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Posted by rvhoss:

4 year college players don't get a grace period.

They step in, they step up.

I expect Frye to be one of the best centers in the East AND Compete with the best of them...I expect him to play Jermaine Oneil tough, Get killed by Shaq, abuse kristic, play well against the pistons.

He's pretty good, he's got skills, he's tall, quick and from a premier program.


I fully expect him to put up Okafor like numbers. Whatever they were.




NOW this is foolish expectations. he was never an elite rebounder, in fact he was quite poor in college, so putting expections of 7 rebounds per 35 minutes is fair.

It comes down to this, if Channing frye and Sweetney DONT put up 14 points each--were going to be in the lottery, well back into the lottery

Ok4 was a number one pick who averaged 16 & 11. No way Frye is averaging that. I think best case scenario he averages the 11pts/7rebs/1.4blks Bosh averaged his rookie year not quite Camby's 14/7/2
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8/2/2005  7:12 PM
yeah, i see your point...how about the two headed monster james/frye averate 20/10?
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8/2/2005  8:18 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

yeah, i see your point...how about the two headed monster james/frye average 20/10?

Watch them average 25/14 combined. They both will perform beyond expectations this year.
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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