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crzymdups
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8/1/2005  12:55 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
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Posted by crzymdups:
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Well, in the pre-draft combines, he was at the top of the list in athletic ability, well-above Frye.

Sean May was the clear best player on NC. He was a rebounding machine who was unstoppable inside. Without Sean, that team couldve gone out at anytime. With Sean may they won it all. You dont average 23.5 points and 21 rebounds in two games against Duke if you are not very good. Channing Frye was lucky that Illinois came back on them because Sean May wouldve exposed him.

Felton was clearly the best player. May played the kind of basketball that doesn't translate. He's Sweetney 2. He might be decent in the league, but he won't be dominant. Frye has the size and athleticism to effectively adapt his game.

What combine did May finish at the top of? I missed that one.
I was going to say something like that. From what I remember he only did well in bench pressing part. His vertical, lane running was horrible.

well, you domt remember to well because May beat Frye in every athletic category. this will be the difference between a Sweetney who is still and can be a good ball player and may, who is athletically superior with a similar game

Chicago Predraft Combine Results
Name Bench press Vertical jump Lane Agility ¾-court sprint Overall rank
Joey Graham 26 36" 10.62 3.05 1
Rashad McCants 15 34½ in 10.39 3.11 3
Luther Head 14 38½" 11.12 3.21 7
Deron Williams 15 35" 10.83 3.25 10
David Lee 14 32½" 10.80 3.19 11
Marvin Williams 12 35" 11.11 3.17 15
Chris Paul 10 38½" 11.09 3.22 16
Raymond Felton 6 33½" 10.50 3.06 18
Ronny Turiaf 15 33" 11.50 3.23 21
Gerald Green 7 39" 11.2 3.21 24
Chris Taft 14 33" 11.26 3.27 25
Julius Hodge 14 29" 10.89 3.18 26
Sean May 12 33" 11.04 3.29 27
Danny Granger 10 34" 10.84 3.34 31
Channing Frye 19 31" 11.60 3.38 33
Dwayne Jones 15 31½" 11.87 3.25 38
Ike Diogu 21 31" 11.94 3.45 39
Charlie Villanueva 11 31" 10.86 3.3 42
Wayne Simien 11 27½" 11.05 3.35 49
Francisco Garcia 5 31½" 10.63 3.33 51
Jarrett Jack 5 28½" 10.87 3.24 54
Antoine Wright 12 29½" 11.45 3.41 55
Rudy Fernandez 0 35½" 10.48 3.33 56
Martell Webster 7 30½" 11.39 3.39 59
Andrew Bogut 13 33½" 12.06 3½1 60
Hakim Warrick 11 38" N/A 3.22 61
Monta Ellis 0 31½" 12.13 3.31 70
Martynas Andriuskevicius 0 27½" 11.94 3.42 73
Ersan Ilyasova 2 30" 11.59 3½6 74

wow, David Lee is going to be so much better than May, it's not even funny.
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8/1/2005  12:57 PM
those combine results mean doodoo, unless you think that Julius Hodge has more upperbody strength than May, but May is the better leaper.
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8/1/2005  12:58 PM
Briggs, I'm just kidding, but I do find it funny that you make all the excuses in the world for Bogut when he finishes low in the combine, then you poo poo Frye's results as mediocre, THEN you point to May's combine performance as to why he'll dominate.

It's a little funny. I know the combine doesn't mean much, but you do seem to lend it greater importance when it suits your argument and ignore it when the combine disproves what you believe.
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8/1/2005  1:00 PM
This is an interesting argument, but a difficult one to call with some key players having never played in the NBA at all.

Right now it has to be NY, because of the players we have seen play in the league, our collection of guys are better overall.

Obviously OK4 is the best player out of the bunch, but Jerome James, Sweets, Malik Rose, JYD, Mo Taylor and our 2.4 million other pf's have played in the league and we have a good idea of what they can do.

Ely, Brezek, Vokshul have also played in the league as well and I would say none of them are really impressive.

Out of the players we have been able to evaluate you have to give it to the knicks. Anything else is based on speculation and potential.

[Edited by - killa4luv on 08/01/2005 13:07:50]
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8/1/2005  1:52 PM
Posted by Killa4luv:

Out of the players we have been able to evaluate you have to give it to the knicks. Anything else is based on speculation and potential.

exactly.

may and frye are a WASH b/c neither has played in the league.

malik and mo have contributed more than ely and voskhul. that's a matter of fact.

brezec and james. if i had a choice, i would take primo but at the end of the day i question his impact.

so that leaves ok4 and sweets. ok4 is way better but also given the keys and allowed to drive.
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8/1/2005  1:55 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Killa4luv:

Out of the players we have been able to evaluate you have to give it to the knicks. Anything else is based on speculation and potential.

exactly.

may and frye are a WASH b/c neither has played in the league.

malik and mo have contributed more than ely and voskhul. that's a matter of fact.

brezec and james. if i had a choice, i would take primo but at the end of the day i question his impact.

so that leaves ok4 and sweets. ok4 is way better but also given the keys and allowed to drive.

once you get to OK4 & sweetney thats where our frontline is left in the dust

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 08/02/2005 18:27:04]
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8/1/2005  8:26 PM
the only caveat here is mike sweetney. he has as much talent as anyone, not the defensive player that okafor is, but can he be on the same level as may and ok4 offensively and should be able to come close to the rebounding--not as good but reasonably close. Frye certainly has a fantastic touch, I think he will have some stand out sequences for sure--but Im worried about the consistency the rebounding and what exact position he plays. -not high on J James although he is skilled and a big space eater, id rather have primo

Taylor and Rose trump Voshkul and Ely

They have the best player and the best C out of James and primo, but our depth package is better, so its really who is a better player may or frye?
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8/2/2005  5:38 AM
Briggs you put it so good that i almost believed you.

but seriously, ask yourself would you trade Sweetney for Okafor
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8/2/2005  10:42 AM
Posted by BRIGGS:

the only caveat here is mike sweetney. he has as much talent as anyone, not the defensive player that okafor is, but can he be on the same level as may and ok4 offensively and should be able to come close to the rebounding--not as good but reasonably close. Frye certainly has a fantastic touch, I think he will have some stand out sequences for sure--but Im worried about the consistency the rebounding and what exact position he plays. -not high on J James although he is skilled and a big space eater, id rather have primo

Taylor and Rose trump Voshkul and Ely

They have the best player and the best C out of James and primo, but our depth package is better, so its really who is a better player may or frye?
Actually head to head, Sweetney has always given Emeka trouble. If Sweetney was on the Bobcats he would be a 20+ ppg. He used to alot of damage against UCONN.
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8/2/2005  2:33 PM
Sweetney is not in the same class as Okafor.

I think a lot of people are engaging in wishful thinking in regards to Sweetney. He was a very good college player (In a watered down era.). He had very little to no help at Georgetown. They were good his freshman year, mediocre to bad his sophomore year, and they were okay in his junior year.

He has not been a plyer who has carried his team to the top, what makes you think he will now?

He ain't LJ. LJ was better at him at everything and he was explosive.

Right now we have among the worst front lines in the NBA.

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8/2/2005  2:38 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

the only caveat here is mike sweetney. he has as much talent as anyone, not the defensive player that okafor is, but can he be on the same level as may and ok4 offensively and should be able to come close to the rebounding--not as good but reasonably close. Frye certainly has a fantastic touch, I think he will have some stand out sequences for sure--but Im worried about the consistency the rebounding and what exact position he plays. -not high on J James although he is skilled and a big space eater, id rather have primo

Taylor and Rose trump Voshkul and Ely

They have the best player and the best C out of James and primo, but our depth package is better, so its really who is a better player may or frye?

Frye.
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8/2/2005  2:46 PM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by BRIGGS:

the only caveat here is mike sweetney. he has as much talent as anyone, not the defensive player that okafor is, but can he be on the same level as may and ok4 offensively and should be able to come close to the rebounding--not as good but reasonably close. Frye certainly has a fantastic touch, I think he will have some stand out sequences for sure--but Im worried about the consistency the rebounding and what exact position he plays. -not high on J James although he is skilled and a big space eater, id rather have primo

Taylor and Rose trump Voshkul and Ely

They have the best player and the best C out of James and primo, but our depth package is better, so its really who is a better player may or frye?

Frye.
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