Posted by fishmike:

so we lured Allan Houston and Chris Childs. And we have ALWAYS had to overpay to get anyone to play here.

If NY is so great why didnt Crawford come for the MLE, or any other player not named Spoon?

I will believe NY is a great FA destination when I see it. I see a lot of guys that dont want to play in the biggest media market as well.

because all we had to offer was the MLE. Shaq isn't coming for the MLE spoon, crawford & Jeromes James are. what superstar wouldn't want to come to NY for max money and all the endorsements and national exposure!

Dolan hired Isiah, Hired Mills, Hired Larry, is willing to spend untold amounts of money. Did he not hire Riley too?

Did he now own the team in the hallowed 1990's? I blame him for many of the problems, but if your a fan of the recent good feelings, then he must be given some credit!

What exactly has Cuban done? Team has yet to get to the finals? He overpays some players, let the heart and sole leave (made sense at the time) and now that he has a few years under his belt, it appears his appeal was the POTENTIAL we all so love! HE has not delivered. I warn all of you to remember the love we feel now is based on POTENTIAL! Like a skinny 18 year old euro, we tend to over value POTENTIAL.

I Like Cube, but how is he that differrent from Dolan result wise?

Bottom line is you can't seperate anything Isiah does good from dolan. They are joined at the hip!

IN fact, it was Dolan that won over Shelly! They wanted a stable owner and they while they loved Isiah, it was dolan who sealed it.

Go figure!

And Childs was also coming of a great season endnig run with Nets. He was lookin great at that point as well.

hmm..i never expected this thread to reach 3 pages lol...also we have come a long way...look a the layden years for evidence...im not saying we're championship contendors...but we are lookin better than b4

i like 70% of the moves zeke has done.......no more excuses for not winning

what you're basically saying is that we need players not just with talent, but more importantly, with the intangibles, the things that propels players to impact the game bigger than stats ever could.

I'd rather have a guy like Mark Madsen, with little skill but plenty of intangibles, then Zach Randolph, a guy with TONS of talent but little heart, leadership, or team "spirit".

Larry is big on intangibles. He's big on playing the right way all the time. He's big on players that are able to learn. I'm not even sure it's a "willingness" to learn. Some players just can't. Not every player is perfect, some can't jump (KT), some can't shoot FT's no matter how many times they practice (Shaq), and some guys more or less just can't be taught. To learn in the NBA is, IMO, a skill attributed to experience and being surrounded by good influences. Why do you think the Patriots are always so good. They have the highest percentage of college graduates in the NFL. Coincidence? I think not. Having experience being taught is bigtime in sports.

Guys like Steve Francis, Marbury, Jamal Crawford, and alotta H.S. graduates have trouble doing that. I like Marbury, I like Crawford, and I HATE Francis (that's another story), but the trend is there. Stop buying into this "well he's on the KNicks so he can learn and get better" bull****. I'm not saying he absolutely can't, but you can't deny the facts...

[Edited by - BOBS3304 on 07/29/2005 20:05:41]

Posted by NYKniCksFan87:

i know i said talent is what we have...what im saying is the talents in place, we finally have a coah that can teach the intangibles to our players...larry brown is like herm edwards in a sense where their players want to go all out for either of them on any night

alotta players got cut and traded when Herm was introduced...



btw, intangibles can be preached, but not taught. defense can more or less be taught (and preached), but adding Larry Brown to the sidelines, while making us relevant again, doesn't mean by any stretch of the imagination that the players will be "transformed" b/c of him. That's bull****. It's gonna be a rough start for guys like TT and Marbury b/c Larry will get in your face if you're not playing the right way. Marbury will have to change HIMSELF. Larry can't do it for him, but he CAN push him in the right direction.

[Edited by - BOBS3304 on 07/30/2005 12:04:30]

well u predict that...im jus loking foward to the season..we'll see how it transpires

That was a pretty weak arguement buddy. Yay, our backup Centers consist of Jackie Butler and Bruno Sundov. I like JJ, as a matter of fact, but 25 MPG is around his limit. Let's get that straight for starters.

Nate hasn't played a game yet, but I'm very excited about him. Q Rich is solid, Marbury will put up his numbers and hopefully sticky by Larry's waistside from the very beginning. Crawford - heart, hustle, intensity? WTF are you smoking. Have we been watching the same player? I'd say the same about Marbury, but he's just not going anywhere, and it's laughable to think he could. I've gone over this time and time again, but Crawford needs FREEDOM. Larry Brown won't give him any. He's a creative offensive player, and Larry likes structure and no-nonsense basketball. That's just not Jamal's game.

As for the playoffs - you're barking up the wrong tree buddy. We have quantity, that's for sure, but quality? Get those stars outta your eyes... we're a .500 ball club at best next season. Stop thinking Larry "transforms" teams. This isn't magic. I can guarantee with Larry in town, AT LEAST 2 players will be traded from the get-go. He has a history of doing that. If you can't learn and adjust your game to his standards, you're out...plain and simple.
.500 isn't gonna be good enough to make the 8th seed next season, maybe just barely.

This team already has enough question marks. Crawford happens to be one of them. What we SHOULD be doing is bringing in players that we KNOW Brown will be able to use - your Snows, McKie's, etc. If anyone improves b/c of Brown, it'll be guys like Nate and Ariza, b/c they already show an ability to play D. They're encouragable. Crawford.....is not. Maybe you should call Scott Skiles and ask him about that.

Posted by nixluva:

Now why would you say that? What makes you think that LB can't get this team to make it to the playoffs, when he took the lowly Clippers to the playoffs twice!

I happen to agree with you and think the Knicks will make the playoffs, as high as around a 5 or 6 seed. But the argument that people like to bring up on this board is that Larry Brown took the 'lowly clippers' to the playoffs twice. That Clippers team was quite talented with players like Danning Manning, Ron Harper, Charles Smith, Derek Harper.. theres more too. That team SHOULD have been in the playoffs. I don't agree with the premise of many of your arguments but I too think that the Knicks will be int he playoffs.

I honestly think the current knick team is more talented that that Clipper team.
marbs over derek harper
TT over charles smith (yep, I would)
Q over ron harper
frye over manning (yes, definitely)

I just think this team is better than everyone thinks they are.

If we uclog the log jam at PF (and don't forget, some of them can play Center) and frye steps up...we are a contender this year.

Posted by nyk4ever:

Posted by nixluva:

Now why would you say that? What makes you think that LB can't get this team to make it to the playoffs, when he took the lowly Clippers to the playoffs twice!

That Clippers team was quite talented with players like Danning Manning, Ron Harper, Charles Smith, Derek Harper.. theres more too. That team SHOULD have been in the playoffs. I don't agree with the premise of many of your arguments but I too think that the Knicks will be int he playoffs.