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7/27/2005  1:40 PM
Islesfan was it you who lived a block away from Vida Gurerra or was it Shocky???
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7/27/2005  1:42 PM
has he ever won anywhere

sure he may put up the best numbers but he dosent know how to win
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7/27/2005  1:47 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Islesfan was it you who lived a block away from Vida Gurerra or was it Shocky???

I just wish I lived a block away from Vida Guerra. Preferably with our bedroom windows directly across from each other. Don't care much about Shockey.
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7/27/2005  1:51 PM


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7/27/2005  2:06 PM
Has Marburry ever won anywhere???? Let's see, how many games did Phoenix win in 2001 and 2002? how many games did Minnesota win in 98-99? when you get done answering those questions above, ask yourself this other question, how many big games that Garnett won? there are a lot of guys in this league that have similar record as Marb, but no one talk about them like that.

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has he ever won anywhere

sure he may put up the best numbers but he dosent know how to win
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7/27/2005  2:09 PM
KG has taken his team to the Conference Finals and the self proclaimed best PG in the NBA hasn't even won a playoff series.
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7/27/2005  2:12 PM
Posted by islesfan:

KG has taken his team to the Conference Finals and the self proclaimed best PG in the NBA hasn't even won a playoff series.

please, anyone that truly follows basketball knows that it was mark madsen that took that team to the conference finals...
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7/27/2005  2:13 PM
yes, how long did it take him to do that? and what happened to him the following year???? Your hatred for Marburry is not fair....give credit where credit is due. Under Brown, Marb will be the best PG in the game...He just has to play better defense/rebound the ball better...

Posted by islesfan:

KG has taken his team to the Conference Finals and the self proclaimed best PG in the NBA hasn't even won a playoff series.
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7/27/2005  2:21 PM
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yes, how long did it take him to do that? and what happened to him the following year???? Your hatred for Marburry is not fair....give credit where credit is due. Under Brown, Marb will be the best PG in the game...He just has to play better defense/rebound the ball better...

Posted by islesfan:

KG has taken his team to the Conference Finals and the self proclaimed best PG in the NBA hasn't even won a playoff series.

Dude, what are you talking about?? You were the one that asked what big games KG has won and I mentioned that he's actually been to a conference finals.

How was my post not fair? I made 2 factual points. KG has been to a Conf Finals and Marbury has never won a playoff series. There wasn't even any opinion offered but I was unfair? Stop being so defensive and put down the Kool-Aid.

I guess being fair to you would be saying something like Marbury is going to be the best PG in the game under LB. No matter how stupid a comment like that would be.
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7/27/2005  2:27 PM
I am waisting my time arguing with you. Dude, it took Cassell and Spree to help KG get it all together. Again, Cassell and Spree, that means a good team. Put a good team around Marb, and with a little luck same thing will happen with the Knicks. Marb had a hell of a team in Phoenix, but facing one of the power of the West at the time (Spurs) killed his chance at advancing. Ask Amare about that....He had Nash as his point guard and still couldn't beat the Spurs..I guess that Nash is not a winner either...
Posted by islesfan:

KG has taken his team to the Conference Finals and the self proclaimed best PG in the NBA hasn't even won a playoff series.

Dude, what are you talking about?? You were the one that asked what big games KG has won and I mentioned that he's actually been to a conference finals.

How was my post not fair? I made 2 factual points. KG has been to a Conf Finals and Marbury has never won a playoff series. There wasn't even any opinion offered but I was unfair? Stop being so defensive and put down the Kool-Aid.

I guess being fair to you would be saying something like Marbury is going to be the best PG in the game under LB. No matter how stupid a comment like that would be.
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7/27/2005  2:29 PM
Marbury was quoted last year as saying that he looks to score first and then if all else fails, pass. I think he was saying it as some kind of "advice" to another player. I could have sworn it was towards Crawford but he hardly needs advice like that.

Do you think stuff like that makes him look selfish?

this was Isles quote.

That's a hell of a lot different than saying when in doubt shoot.


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7/27/2005  2:37 PM
Posted by diderotn:

I am waisting my time arguing with you. Dude, it took Cassell and Spree to help KG get it all together. Again, Cassell and Spree, that means a good team. Put a good team around Marb, and with a little luck same thing will happen with the Knicks. Marb had a hell of a team in Phoenix, but facing one of the power of the West at the time (Spurs) killed his chance at advancing. Ask Amare about that....He had Nash as his point guard and still couldn't beat the Spurs..I guess that Nash is not a winner either...

It's more like I'm wasting my time. I answered your question the way you initially posed it and you start spinning it around into a completely different question.

Dido: How much is 2+2?
Me: 4
Dido: Yeah but if the second 2 was really a 3 then it would equal 5.

I really hope you're not suggesting that the Suns did as well with Marbury as it did with Nash last season.
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7/27/2005  2:44 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:

Marbury was quoted last year as saying that he looks to score first and then if all else fails, pass. I think he was saying it as some kind of "advice" to another player. I could have sworn it was towards Crawford but he hardly needs advice like that.

Do you think stuff like that makes him look selfish?

this was Isles quote.

That's a hell of a lot different than saying when in doubt shoot.

Not really, the gist is still to look to shoot first.

You're just mad because I didn't just make it up like you suggested.
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7/27/2005  2:55 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by diderotn:

I am waisting my time arguing with you. Dude, it took Cassell and Spree to help KG get it all together. Again, Cassell and Spree, that means a good team. Put a good team around Marb, and with a little luck same thing will happen with the Knicks. Marb had a hell of a team in Phoenix, but facing one of the power of the West at the time (Spurs) killed his chance at advancing. Ask Amare about that....He had Nash as his point guard and still couldn't beat the Spurs..I guess that Nash is not a winner either...

It's more like I'm wasting my time. I answered your question the way you initially posed it and you start spinning it around into a completely different question.

Dido: How much is 2+2?
Me: 4
Dido: Yeah but if the second 2 was really a 3 then it would equal 5.

I really hope you're not suggesting that the Suns did as well with Marbury as it did with Nash last season.

Isles, bottom line - both Marbury and Nash lost to the eventual champion Spurs in 6 games when they were the Suns PG. Nash had a better team around him when he lost.

Also, claiming KG got to the conference finals ignores the fact that his getting there had a LOT to do with Cassell and Sprewell. It's no surprise that when Cassell went down, the Twolves lost to an inferior Lakers team.
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7/27/2005  2:57 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Marbury was quoted last year as saying that he looks to score first and then if all else fails, pass. I think he was saying it as some kind of "advice" to another player. I could have sworn it was towards Crawford but he hardly needs advice like that.

Do you think stuff like that makes him look selfish?

this was Isles quote.

That's a hell of a lot different than saying when in doubt shoot.

Not really, the gist is still to look to shoot first.

You're just mad because I didn't just make it up like you suggested.
Not to get snitty but the statement you made if false based on the quote. You took it out context and added to it. In fact that there is where I saying it was deliberate but maybe that wasn't your intent. You said he looks to shoot first then looks to pass if shoot if it fails. I am satsify though. I would want Marbury gone if he made a comment like that because I couldn't begin to think of how many assist he could get if he actually wanted to pass the more to add to his 8.1.
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7/27/2005  2:58 PM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Marbury was quoted last year as saying that he looks to score first and then if all else fails, pass. I think he was saying it as some kind of "advice" to another player. I could have sworn it was towards Crawford but he hardly needs advice like that.

Do you think stuff like that makes him look selfish?

this was Isles quote.

That's a hell of a lot different than saying when in doubt shoot.

Not really, the gist is still to look to shoot first.

You're just mad because I didn't just make it up like you suggested.

Saying "when in doubt, shoot" is pretty stupid, but it's a lot different than saying "shoot first, pass second." And Marbury wasn't saying that's what he does, it was his advice to Crawford. I may be wrong, but I believe it was in specific reference to when they played the Rockets at the Garden, had the ball with a one point lead and the shotclock was ticking down with like 20 seconds in the game - Marbury passed the ball to Crawford twice and rather than shoot, Crawford gave it up to Marbury, the second time leading to a 24 second violation. So Marbury after the game said, "I've been telling him, when in doubt, shoot."

But, no one's saying you should ever have to put anything in context if it hurts your argument.
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7/27/2005  2:58 PM
Larry Brown will play a significant role in changing Stephon and Jamal's shoot-first mindset this season. If he can make Rip Hamilton and Chauncey Buillups championship level, then doing the same with Marbury & Craw should be just as easy if not easier.



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7/27/2005  3:06 PM
Again, before bashing Marburry for making the statement he made you have to know the whole facts and listen to the question that was asked. As we all know, the media always report things without emphacising on the whole spectrum of the conversation.

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Posted by islesfan:
Posted by Pharzeone:

Marbury was quoted last year as saying that he looks to score first and then if all else fails, pass. I think he was saying it as some kind of "advice" to another player. I could have sworn it was towards Crawford but he hardly needs advice like that.

Do you think stuff like that makes him look selfish?

this was Isles quote.

That's a hell of a lot different than saying when in doubt shoot.

Not really, the gist is still to look to shoot first.

You're just mad because I didn't just make it up like you suggested.

Saying "when in doubt, shoot" is pretty stupid, but it's a lot different than saying "shoot first, pass second." And Marbury wasn't saying that's what he does, it was his advice to Crawford. I may be wrong, but I believe it was in specific reference to when they played the Rockets at the Garden, had the ball with a one point lead and the shotclock was ticking down with like 20 seconds in the game - Marbury passed the ball to Crawford twice and rather than shoot, Crawford gave it up to Marbury, the second time leading to a 24 second violation. So Marbury after the game said, "I've been telling him, when in doubt, shoot."

But, no one's saying you should ever have to put anything in context if it hurts your argument.
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7/27/2005  3:18 PM
Look Dido, nobody says Marbury is not good.

He is easily a top 3 PG in the NBA, behind maybe only Nash and Kidd.

The issue here is with the fact that he doesnt play a lick of D and is not a good leader. Both can be changed under Brown.

However if Marbury fails under Brown, then we really need to trade him. I hope he averages 20 and 12 and becomes the MVP, I was extatic when he first came here. Its his uninspired play after he got here that makes me question him.

He was billed as a superstar that can carry a team on his sholders, ala Iverson, and he clearly has not delivered. He has proven to be just a very good player, nothing special, no Iverson, KG, Duncan, Shaq, Jordan, Magic territory, etc.

And if you are not a Magic, Bird, Jordan, KG, Duncan, or AI type of player, then there is no way you should be untradable.
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7/27/2005  3:28 PM
I'm not a hater, but I guess I've been a doubter. I really want to see Marbury grow and succeed though. I hope that the changes Isiah has made will let that happen.
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