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HARDCOREKNICKSFAN
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7/21/2005  11:04 PM
The Knicks were softcore in the Laydown years.

A hardcore team deserves HARDCORE fans, fella!
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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7/21/2005  11:15 PM
Silver, reading this thread gives me mad deja vu!!
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7/21/2005  11:25 PM
Posted by Marv:

Silver, reading this thread gives me mad deja vu!!
I will not snap at any Houston fan unless called for again.
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7/21/2005  11:27 PM
Same here.
Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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7/22/2005  12:21 AM
Knight,

this is 2005 and in 2005, sadly Allan Houston is damaged goods.

He can't play defense with two healthy legs let alone one leg. So what exactly would be the purpose of him playing for the Knickerbockers in 2005?

We appreciate the guy for all that he has done for us as far as us being fans and all but ...This is NEW YORK, where we bury the dead.

Get your mind right.
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7/22/2005  12:29 AM
Houston was a good player with a great jump shot. He was a main part of the team that lost in the finals along with spree and camby. If he was on the ewing teams they would have won at least 1 championship. (esp instead of starks 3-17). Don't let his injuries cloud him as the player he was in his prime.
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7/22/2005  12:37 AM
Posted by BigRedDog:

Houston was a good player with a great jump shot. He was a main part of the team that lost in the finals along with spree and camby. If he was on the ewing teams they would have won at least 1 championship. (esp instead of starks 3-17). Don't let his injuries cloud him as the player he was in his prime.
Houston is a "was" guy. He WAS good. He WAS dope. He WAS the franchise after Ewing left. He used to get respect, but now he's not even thought of. The old Houston is not even on the same par as the current elite SGs - he's worse than Ray Allen, Allen Ivy, Larry Hughes, etc. Hoston WAS a one-dimensional player. He did nothing other than raining J's - which is what he was paid to do. He would have been overpaid at 50 mil over his contract, instead of 100 mil... Dolan wastes money like none other. At least Houston was wise enough to sign the contract.
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7/22/2005  12:42 AM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Knight:

Oh, how wonderful is hindsight?
Also, how wonderful you choose the one thing about him you cannot directly hold against him! His health. Of course no one can force him to get surgery but no one could force him to do something other than jumpshoot.
bro, think about this for a second. if reggie miller ever got a 100 million contract, they'd kill him too for being a non-max player. but seriously, miller had more balls than anyone on the knicks in recent memory. he played hard and came up big on many occassions and still didnt have 100 mil. Dirk doesnt have a 100 mil contract. Neither does Peja. Dirk rebounds and is 7 feet. Peja is a softee, but grabs a couple of boards and he also knows how to dish an assist ever now and then.
I know I know, Peja sucks too and Dirk and Reggie and Michael Redd and every other great shooter who is not Bruce Bowen on defense or Lebron on offense.
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7/22/2005  12:43 AM
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Knight:

Link please. I guarantee you he had AT LEAST one doctor recommend whatever rehab program he adopted.
You look for the link. I dont have the time to research a player I severly dislike. I remember reading in the newspaper that the team doctors asked him to get surgery. It was on the radio too. If you missed it, too bad. You dont have to believe me of course and I doubt you will.
I remember, he worked with John Stark's olympic high-jumper to rehab. He refused surgery. Period. Stick a fork in the guy, he's done.
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7/22/2005  12:45 AM
Posted by Knight:
Posted by Silverfuel:
Posted by Knight:

You already stated you severly dislike Houston, you don't have to say anymore, you already played your hand. Houston was a very good player, to dispute that I think is stubborness.
He was a good shooter, not a "very good player"! You can even ask the Allan Houston fans if they think he is capable of anchoring an offense. Stephon Marbury is a very good player, Dirk is a very good player, Duncan is a great player, Allan Houston is a decent player with a good jumpshot.

If H20 in his prime was only "decent" I would hate to hear what you have to say about the rest of the current Knicks roster.
see my other posts, but i've said the roster is garbage.
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7/22/2005  6:55 AM
Why would Larry want Houston on his bench earning $20 millions while not playing????
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7/22/2005  8:12 AM
Why would Larry want Houston on his bench earning $20 millions while not playing????

Why would Larry Brown care what Houston makes?
Good post. What shocks me is that most Knick fans are so caught up in Houstons "sweet jumsphot" or "he scored 50 points twice" to realize how much his style of play stagnated our offense. He never played D, never rebounded, never passed or drove the ball.

Houston was used improperly by Jeff Van Gundy as a "goto" player during most of his time with the Knicks and Charlie Ward was the point guard, that's why we were stagnant.

He sucked. He had a good jumpshot but everything else sucked. He couldnt even rehab correctly! He should always be a 3rd option which would be someplace like Miami or Detriot.

Just not true...except for the rehab part. He did that the wrong way. By the way, I have the exact same knee problems as Houston. This is not an easy comeback.

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[Edited by - oohah on 07/22/2005 08:13:08]
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7/22/2005  8:16 AM
Houston was used improperly by Jeff Van Gundy as a "goto" player during most of his time with the Knicks and Charlie Ward was the point guard, that's why we were stagnant.
Except that I was reffering to Houston in the Don Chaney days when he had the career high scoring and the team missed the playoffs for the first time in 18 years. Put Marbury on that team with Spree and we make the playoffs. Houston was not a guy to anchor the offense.
Just not true...except for the rehab part. He did that the wrong way. By the way, I have the exact same knee problems as Houston. This is not an easy comeback.
You can just say, "just not true" when all he did was jumpshoot! Look at his stats. The highlight of his career was the shot against Miami. The only time he played defense was in 1999 after which he got the mega contract. Making him the 7 year max player was the worst thing to happen to the Knicks in the last 5 years.

[Edited by - Silverfuel on 07/22/2005 08:17:12]
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Except that I was reffering to Houston in the Don Chaney days when he had the career high scoring and the team missed the playoffs for the first time in 18 years. Put Marbury on that team with Spree and we make the playoffs. Houston was not a guy to anchor the offense.

Okay, but the Chaney days were an extremely short part of his tenure. Spree did a nice job of reaching the playoffs this year didn't he? I like Spree too, but I think you are still thinking about the Spree that choked P.J. Carlisimo--A much better player than the Spree we had.
You can just say, "just not true" when all he did was jumpshoot! Look at his stats. The highlight of his career was the shot against Miami. The only time he played defense was in 1999 after which he got the mega contract. Making him the 7 year max player was the worst thing to happen to the Knicks in the last 5 years

I will never try to make Houston into more than what he was--A SHOOTER, and a damn good one. Yes, that was his only role and his only exceptional skill as a player. He never should have had to carry the team...ever. That was not his fault.

You make it sound like he was "playing for $$$" in 1999--I don't remember him playing defense that year either! But you have just kept saying he sucked. That just ain't true. He was a very good player, we asked too much of him, he never complained, therefore he destroyed his knees. Hopefully the $$$ will make it worthwhile to him.

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7/22/2005  8:36 AM
who cares if houston was good, or might be healthy.

To answer your question, Larry Brown will tell the press he wants to keep him. (He's great with NY press)

Dolan will kick him to the curb and save $40 million.

all kool aid all the time.
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7/22/2005  8:38 AM
Posted by rvhoss:

who cares if houston was good, or might be healthy.

To answer your question, Larry Brown will tell the press he wants to keep him. (He's great with NY press)

Dolan will kick him to the curb and save $40 million.

As he should IMO. I'd hardly call it kicking him to the curb since he'll still be paying him the money and giving him a chance to sign on with any team he wants for minimum pay.

[Edited by - Marv on 07/22/2005 08:39:00]
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7/22/2005  8:51 AM
Posted by oohah:

I will never try to make Houston into more than what he was--A SHOOTER, and a damn good one. Yes, that was his only role and his only exceptional skill as a player. He never should have had to carry the team...ever. That was not his fault.
Since he signed a max contract thats usually reserved for franchise Tier 1 or Tier 2 players, I think management was of the opinion that he could carry the team. If you say: "you cannot fault Houston for taking the money", you also can say: "if we pay him to be the center of the offense, we can ask him to be just that."

We are dealing with retards in the front office and a terrible SG. Both promised too much and it all blew up. Who had to pay the price? Knick fans, with 4 losing seasons. If you are admiting that Allan Houston's only role was that of a jump shooter then we have nothing more to argue about. That is the only argument I keep making, that he was only a jump shooter.

I remember him doing other things in 1999, such has defend, drive more and pass more. Its too bad you dont remember it. The way I remember, he played hard in 1999, did everything really well and then stopped it all in 2000-2001.
You make it sound like he was "playing for $$$" in 1999--I don't remember him playing defense that year either! But you have just kept saying he sucked. That just ain't true. He was a very good player, we asked too much of him, he never complained, therefore he destroyed his knees. Hopefully the $$$ will make it worthwhile to him.

oohah
He did play defense in 1999. I actually got that from multiple Allan Houston fans on the forum. They all said Houston was running around with Reggie playing great defense. If you dont remember that, there is nothing I can do. After that, he signed a franchise player contract. Since we both are guessing, we cannot argue if he did play for the contract or not so I will not bring that up but he did not play defense after that. He also never rebounded.

Bottom line: Allan Houston was a good player becuase he was a very good jump shooter. He should've always been used as a 3rd option. He should be playing with a post up PF/C and a slashing PG. That would be his best role. The career years he had as a Knick are something to forget.

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7/22/2005  9:23 AM
Isiah would make a huge mistake if he doesn't rid the Knicks of Houston's presence in the locker room. Houston is a nice guy, but our team needs to moveon from the past.
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