Posted by nyk4ever:


Nope, your right Bobs. I think the only way that Isiah can get that kind of player is at the trade deadline of this year, when TT and Penny are at the real peak of their value with their contracts. It will be interesting to see if the Clips keep Brand if they are having another losing season... I know they lost Bobby Simmons who was an integral part of their success so they might be in for a tough year. Who knows what could happen at the trade deadline.

Posted by Bonn1997:

By tying Brown and Marbury together, a lot of people I think are making a mistake. Your coach shouldn't determine what you do with your olympian/franchise player. Either Marbury's good for the franchise or he isn't. I've obviously argued that keeping him is the better choice, but I don't think the choice should depend on what Larry does.

Posted by bobs3304:

Posted by nyk4ever:


I'm not so sure about that right now Guns. With the expiring contracts that the Knicks have in TT and Penny(both huge deals that can bring a top player) and role players like Malik, JYD and a good young talent in Sweetney the Knicks have a excellent chance of getting a Brand or Randolph. Brand would be the obvious choice but I think peopel are underestimating Zach Randolph on this board.

How so? I've watched Randolph, and this guy can't even average a block per game. Not only that, but he's only 6-9, and what we REALLY need is a Center. Granted, we could find a cheap Big to man the paint for 20 MPG, but if we're using expiring contracts, I'd expect him to be a force in the middle. Randolph is like the Eddy Curry version of PF's, only he's more selfish...

Posted by bobs3304:

Posted by nyk4ever:


I'm not so sure about that right now Guns. With the expiring contracts that the Knicks have in TT and Penny(both huge deals that can bring a top player) and role players like Malik, JYD and a good young talent in Sweetney the Knicks have a excellent chance of getting a Brand or Randolph. Brand would be the obvious choice but I think peopel are underestimating Zach Randolph on this board.

How so? I've watched Randolph, and this guy can't even average a block per game. Not only that, but he's only 6-9, and what we REALLY need is a Center. Granted, we could find a cheap Big to man the paint for 20 MPG, but if we're using expiring contracts, I'd expect him to be a force in the middle. Randolph is like the Eddy Curry version of PF's, only he's more selfish...

you want a center than you need to really suck and land the next Tim Duncan, shaq, ewing, olajuwan. Magloire and co won't get you a championship unless you bring in larry brown, rasheed and ben wallace. You have to do the next best thing by go after a superstar frontcourt player even if its a PF. Winning championships is not only about defending the paint its about scoring inside as well. just ask the spurs, lakers, rockets & pistons

Posted by bobs3304:

again, I completely agree. But Frye, IMHO, is nowhere near ready to play Center, let alone start. We'd have to get Jerome James AND another Center to man the paint.

Randolph is a great low post threat, but he has serious issues like PASSING, or for that matter, NOT PASSING. And he's not really a team player. He whines quite a bit, and very selfish - calls for the ball far too much, and that was part of the reason why the Blazers' offense was so stagnant last seasaon...

Posted by bobs3304:

Good read. I guess the issue with Randolph is less to do with a selfish attitude than with a willingness to buy into a TEAM concept. But I would certainly trade for him if the asking price wasn't too steep.


Question for you: Hypothetically, do you still go after Randolph if Isiah can't land Larry and then decides to deal Marbury? I know Randolph is young, but his contract is big and is counter-productive when you're trying to normalize the cap...

And like you just said, it would be far better to have a coach like Larry Brown in his presence than your everday Herb Williams...

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/12/2005 21:07:37]

Posted by Panos:

This logic is absurd. Yes, this is a business and Dolan wants to
make money. Part of making money is lowering your expenses.
There are two sides to the coin. So while Indiana, Miami, Chicago,
Detriot (last year's CHAMPS!), New Jersey, Seattle, Houston, Sacramento, Washington, Boston, Denver, Pheonix
and SAN ANTONIO (the CHAMPS!!!)
made the playoffs all paying $45M-65M, the Knicks paid $102M
which comes to like $160M after luxury taxes!!!

Now you tell me what business man would not want to cut into
that cost structure. Give me a break.
NOW, add to that the benefit of actually being able to sign
Free Agents, I think the choice is clear for any business man.

(Caveat: this numbers may not be complete accurate, I cannot
vouch for the web site I got them from, but I think the illustrate
the point)

2004-05 Team Payrolls
Team Payroll
1. New York Knicks $102,442,544
2. Dallas Mavericks $91,553,496
3. Portland Trailblazers $83,671,312
4. Philadelphia 76ers $71,951,888
5. Minnesota Timberwolves $70,060,920
6. Memphis Grizzlies $67,010,824
7. Orlando Magic $66,445,252
8. Indiana Pacers $65,792,068
9. Los Angeles Lakers $65,059,100
10. Boston Celtics $64,577,356
11. Sacramento Kings $61,807,688
12. Toronto Raptors $61,703,772
13. Houston Rockets $60,222,300
14. Miami Heat $58,949,072
15. Chicago Bulls $57,276,136
16. Milwaukee Bucks $57,137,128
17. New Orleans Hornets $56,572,880
18. Golden State Warriors $54,943,724
19. New Jersey Nets $54,729,028
20. Detroit Pistons $54,574,980
21. Seattle Sonics $53,821,300
22. Washington Wizards $49,547,056
23. Cleveland Cavaliers $49,175,272
24. San Antonio Spurs $47,149,172
25. Los Angeles Clippers $45,170,768
26. Denver Nuggets $45,621,812
27. Phoenix Suns $44,256,720
28. Utah Jazz $43,160,808
29. Atlanta Hawks $40,684,848
30. Charlotte Bobcats $23,380,124

And the logic that IS NOT absurd is the fact that the Knicks are still one of the most profitable teams in the NBA year in and year out becuase.....THEY SELL TICKETS!!! you can't sell tickets with a 20 win team. Jimmy Dolan makes money off this team with a 102 million dollar payroll, its been noted and its been on this board before in various thread. I remember reading he made an absurd amount of money last year off the Knicks and Rangers(Madison Square Garden.) He doesn't care what the team does as long as the butts are in the seats.


[Edited by - nyk4ever on 07/12/2005 22:01:07]