So Mike Sweetney scks, Kwame brown is a bust, Kurt thomas is great so i guess in your world we are OK with Chaaning Frye and Mo hitman Taylor starting. Acquiring big men is a tough thing right now, which is the main reason why I accept picking Frye, because he has size and potential. I mean I can name a problem with any big man on the amrket, Stomile swift is as dumbas nails, James LOL Hunter as less skill than my grnadmother

its easy to say someone scks but the Knicks are in a position here that they need to take a reasonable chance. For a guy who has put up games like 30-20 25 and 13 going into the end of the season 2 years ago, he was one of the hottest names and got hurt, he hasnt played up to number 1 status, but Im looking for a guy now that can get me 14-8 and alter shots. I think Kwame can do that. The Ghost of Patrick isnt coming back here. Its very easy to call out other people but have 0 plan your self, why even bother
who cares if someone responds with criticms all the time yet cant think of a solution, glad you watch basketball and show your superior intellect. either add a reasonable solution or sssssssh!

There is no reasonable solution. Maybe I'm the only person here who has come to that conclusion. It doesn't mean anything if I search trade-checkers for frontpage trades if I'm not the GM. I don't get off on that type of thing, maybe you do but if you post it in a thread then do I not have the right to comment on it?

If I actually liked the idea and gave my approval then you wouldn't be here adding your "come up with a solution or shhhhh" posts. So I take it that you don't like when people disagree with you.

Well, welcome to the real world.

You tend to go to extremes. You can't show me one post where I said Sweetney sucks or Kurt is great. But that extreme disorder has manipulated you into believing that I have. Well, guess what---i haven't!

This "the next 5-10 years" thing you are BIG on is a bunch of nonsense and you know it! What team keeps a average player on their roster for 5-10 years???????? What team?

Kurt is not great. But you can't dispute the fact that he put up better numbers than dis-interested Kwame Brown. So what if he is 23, I know guys who are 30 something and still never resemble anything close to a man.

Instead of stepping up his game and character in Washington when MJ put the spotlight on him, Kwame cried like a woman. When MJ was fired, he STILL never stepped his game up---that mean something to people in the real world.

You can stop hollering "higher ceiling" and younger" because Mo' Taylor is a better basketball player than Kwame Brown.

Believe that

Posted by bigpimpin:

So Mike Sweetney scks, Kwame brown is a bust, Kurt thomas is great so i guess in your world we are OK with Chaaning Frye and Mo hitman Taylor starting. Acquiring big men is a tough thing right now, which is the main reason why I accept picking Frye, because he has size and potential. I mean I can name a problem with any big man on the amrket, Stomile swift is as dumbas nails, James LOL Hunter as less skill than my grnadmother

its easy to say someone scks but the Knicks are in a position here that they need to take a reasonable chance. For a guy who has put up games like 30-20 25 and 13 going into the end of the season 2 years ago, he was one of the hottest names and got hurt, he hasnt played up to number 1 status, but Im looking for a guy now that can get me 14-8 and alter shots. I think Kwame can do that. The Ghost of Patrick isnt coming back here. Its very easy to call out other people but have 0 plan your self, why even bother
who cares if someone responds with criticms all the time yet cant think of a solution, glad you watch basketball and show your superior intellect. either add a reasonable solution or sssssssh!

There is no reasonable solution. Maybe I'm the only person here who has come to that conclusion. It doesn't mean anything if I search trade-checkers for frontpage trades if I'm not the GM. I don't get off on that type of thing, maybe you do but if you post it in a thread then do I not have the right to comment on it?

If I actually liked the idea and gave my approval then you wouldn't be here adding your "come up with a solution or shhhhh" posts. So I take it that you don't like when people disagree with you.

Well, welcome to the real world.

You tend to go to extremes. You can't show me one post where I said Sweetney sucks or Kurt is great. But that extreme disorder has manipulated you into believing that I have. Well, guess what---i haven't!

This "the next 5-10 years" thing you are BIG on is a bunch of nonsense and you know it! What team keeps a average player on their roster for 5-10 years???????? What team?

Kurt is not great. But you can't dispute the fact that he put up better numbers than dis-interested Kwame Brown. So what if he is 23, I know guys who are 30 something and still never resemble anything close to a man.

Instead of stepping up his game and character in Washington when MJ put the spotlight on him, Kwame cried like a woman. When MJ was fired, he STILL never stepped his game up---that mean something to people in the real world.

You can stop hollering "higher ceiling" and younger" because Mo' Taylor is a better basketball player than Kwame Brown.

Believe that

you are at the other end of the extreme as well, not even willing to give his guy a 2nd chance - and that's fine. he has really done nothing to earn it.

but i am, and we kept kurt on this team for 6 years - and he is an average frontcourt player. he's not great, he doesn't stink - he's average.

and in my eyes, if nazr can have an 11/8 month with steph in december, then kwame can have an 11/8 season with steph, craw, and nate.

i'm on the kwame2ny bandwagon fellas - for a certain price b/c i'm willing to take a risk on him.

big - you aren't, and that's cool too.

IF Sweets lost 30 lbs I think you have an Elton Brand on your hands and that's a good thing.

No to Q for Kwame. It's way to much of a risk.

Posted by roblackman:

IF Sweets lost 30 lbs I think you have an Elton Brand on your hands and that's a good thing.

WHAT THE...

Posted by bigpimpin:

Posted by roblackman:

IF Sweets lost 30 lbs I think you have an Elton Brand on your hands and that's a good thing.

WHAT THE...

Even if Sweetney lost the weight, I don't think he'd have the lateral quickness that Brand has. He also has nowhere near the wingspan brand has. That said, I think Sweetney would be a pretty good player if he lost that much weight.

Posted by BRIGGS:

Posted by Ira:

This thread got me curious - particularly the comparisons of Kwame and Kurt, so I looked at the numbers. Since Kurt played many more minutes, I multiplied Kwame's stats by the ratio of Kurts to Kwame's minutes to erase that descrepancy. So Kurt's per game numbers were
11.5 points, 10.4 rebounds and .99 blocks. Kwame's numbers (after the adjustment) were 11.6 points, 8.1 rebounds and .60 blocs. Kurt shot 47.1% from the field to Kwame's 46% and Kurt shot 78.6% to Kwame's 57.4% from the line.

Number wise, Kurt's numbers were much better. When you consider the intangibles of character and intensity, Kurt is better still. Kwame's been in the league for four years now and he hasn't done anything particularly well in any of those seasons. Why would anyone want him on the Knicks?

Not true. Remember Kwame was hurt ALL of last year, even when he came back.

Let's look at Kwame's numbers the year before

2003 WAS 74 30.3 3.9 8.0 48.9 0.0 0.0 50.0 3.1 4.5 68.3 2.4 5.0 7.4 1.5 1.9 0.9 0.7 2.0 10.9


11 points 7.5 reb 1 block shooting 49% in 30 minutes at TWENTY-ONE Years old this is comparable to almost any year KT had in his prime. Heck KT wasnt even in the league until he was 23.
Thats what I am looking at-if he can put up 11 points 7.5 reb and shoot 50% at 21--as long as he is healthy and works hard--why cant he get those figures to 16-17 points 10 rebounds in 36 minutes reasobaly soon, like this year or next as long as he is healthy? I mean at a minimum, he should be 15 +9 with 35+ minutes.

If he works hard, if he stays healthy, he has the body and physical skills to even do better than that. I mean how many 21 YO have gams like 30 points 20 rebounds? 23 points 15 rebounds 5 blocks? Not many.

Now i think if he IS healthy and playing with a good PG who is willing to get him the ball--why can kwame avg 16-17 points? I bluntly feel he can.

I couldn't agree more. He is worth the risk.

Posted by djsunyc:

Posted by Stevo718:

I think we need to pick up Kwame, but without giving up Q or Crawford, I think Crawford will be a STAR, it's just a matter of when. I'd definitely give up Sweets, even if Sweets lost 30 lbs he will never be a STAR.

as a side discussion, how can craw become a star yet sweets can't? just going on sheer numbers, sweets is a more productive player in the time he gets and his #'s go up as his minutes do at the same high percentage clip. i don't get the reasoning. craw is much sexier, and i agree, he can become a star, but i don't see why sweets can't either.

Crawford is averaging 17 ppg and he still hasn't realized all of his potential. Sweets is at below double digits and way overweight and still has reached his potential.

Craw has shown an ability to completely take over games. He has put up numerous 50 point games in his career and has all of the physical tools, and skills needed to be a star.

Sweets doesn't have all the physical tools (height) and he isn't athletic (hops, speed) enough to compensate in a way that would make him a star. Brand is a star because of his wingspan and his tremendous athleticism. Sweets has a hard time dunking unless no one is around and he can get a running start.

And you heard Mike Breen say it just like I did: he is always going to be a fat ass. Mike Breen said 15 and 10 for him, and i think thats about right and he might even get up to 17 at his peak, but with his weight issues, he will never dominate.

Posted by roblackman:

Posted by bigpimpin:

Posted by roblackman:

IF Sweets lost 30 lbs I think you have an Elton Brand on your hands and that's a good thing.

WHAT THE...

If Sweets lost 30 lbs he would be quicker and able to block more shot...hello.

I'd block more shots if I grew a foot taller too

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07/11/2005 17:45:37]