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BRIGGS
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7/16/2005  12:30 PM
it doesnt take much to look up at the scores in the SL, bynum has actually played against btter competition than what the Knicks have seen. For instance last night we playerd against no body yet channing still didnt play well again. the only player of note that channing has played is Howard.


going though all the boxscores bynum has played against Lawrence Roberts Wayne Simien Hakim Warrick Charlie V Earl Barron Malik Badiane Eric Chenisowrth etc.. hes playing against many of the top CBB guys, guy who are bigger than him like barron chenisowrth and other solid guys--the regular deal that SL is. The Lakers have faced tougher competition than the Knicks, if thats what you are going at.

Bynum has done well because he is skilled and long and athleticand they simplified his game. He is low post, nothing else, he is right at the basket with a dunk a jump hook up and under or put back. Nothing fancy other than what he has shown with his post passing which has been from reports fantastic. You take a guy who can catch the ball who is 7-1 270 who can jump and has nice skill,put him right at the basket and he is going to consistently do damage, and Bynum has done that. the only negatives are what would be expected-conditioning getting used to the speed of the game and some fundamental work that comes with practice, otherwise the kid has scored an A+ just like Nate Robinson Diogu

Wayne Simien and Hakim Warrick
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7/16/2005  12:36 PM
just picture what a true potentially top flight CENTER would've done for our team instead we're left with a glut at PF and Jerome James. I'm learning to accept it just like I learned to accept the Shandon/Eisely trade but there's going to be a lot of negativity from me on this subject for a lonnnng time
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7/16/2005  12:42 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:


http://photobucket.com/albums/v335/PopcornMachine/SPL2005/20050715/?action=view¤t=DSC01343_Bynum_slam.jpg

Briggs, I agree with some of what you said - but LOL! There's no one REMOTELY near Bynum in that picture? Who cares if he can dunk when he's wide open? Is that picture supposed to show the high caliber competition Bynum is facing? Three scrubs who don't even have their hands up? Come on, man, this is getting ridiculous.

You show me Bynum dunking while wide open, Frye has had plenty of those. David Lee has been dunking on people. I can show you pictures of Nate Rob going straight at Dwight Howard and flipping the ball over him high off the glass.

Stats don't count in SL, but pictures of wide open dunks with not an NBA player in sight do? Please.
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7/16/2005  2:46 PM
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7/16/2005  3:00 PM
Another way to ask the question is, how does this compare to Frye's numbers? (I'm too lazy to find out myself.)
Posted by BRIGGS:

Bynum tonight in 23 minutes

11 points 9 rebounds 2 blocks 2 assits

avg over 5 games

13.1 points 7.2 reb 1.2 block 1.5 as FG % 56% avg 28min
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7/16/2005  3:10 PM
Lampe averaged 17pts 7rebs in summer league for us 2yrs ago and made all league. SL and NBA are to different animals.

I do agree 13pts 7rebs 1.2blks in a great start for a 17-18 yr old highschool kid. You couldn't really ask for more. But its still just summer league.

Mark Aqurrie is 5-1 in summer league. Maybe we should hire him as the new head coach.
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7/16/2005  3:13 PM
Posted by newyorknewyork:


Mark Aqurrie is 5-1 in summer league. Maybe we should hire him as the new head coach.

Nah. It's bettter to keep him where he is so we can keep enjoying the fairy tale that he turns anyone over 6'5" into an All-Star.
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7/16/2005  3:17 PM
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Posted by BasketballJones:

Another way to ask the question is, how does this compare to Frye's numbers? (I'm too lazy to find out myself.)


I'll just say flat out with no bias, Bynum has been better than Frye. I didn't expect it, and Im pretty sure that Frye will have a much more meaningful role in the NBA atleast for a year. and thats what the Knicks base everything on, the next year.
If you look at all the reports from ESPN draftexpress--all the guys who have been at every game and know the comp levels--will tell you the same thing--have only seen glowing reports on bynum, yet he is not half of what he will be. In fact one article said that NBA scouts have been surprised at how well Bynum has played.
Phil Jackson has had big say on player moves. he wanted Bynum and he wanted Kwame brown. The thing thats to bad is we have isiah and not phil jackson
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7/16/2005  3:21 PM
Posted by JUNKMEIN:

Again, can you also list for us who has been guarding him? And if so, being that you don't provide links, how much did the guys' he guarded have against him?
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Monk listen up. It's just too much daggone work to do that.

I'll speak for us all here (since obviously we all should take certain parties word as gospel) and say that you should spend the time to research for yourself something that's readily available on the web (another reliable source of info)

....too much work....Just too much Daggone work I tell ya
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My point is, when people here are breaking down Frye's games in the SL they bring up his opponent and how well he did or didn't do against such a player. Bynum's stats are posted here and then the convo that Briggs propels from that point on is strictly stats. That's apples and oranges. If you check my posts I've been telling Briggs to post this info from day one. I'm not just now coming here and asking him to post the names of his opponents all at once out of the clear blue.
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7/16/2005  3:26 PM
Briggs, I know you're a guy who's followed the NBA for a long time, so i'll ask you to consider this -

Remember in the old days when everyone in the NBA played 4 years of college? Remember how there were lots of players who started slowly in the NBA and got better and better year by year in the league?

That's how I'm seeing Frye. I agree with you that Bynum's showing great so far. But you often refer to what you expect from a 4-year CBB player. Lots of 4-year guys improve over time in the league, just as HS guys do. I think Sweetney will be the same story (3 year CBB for him? I don't exactly remember).

What do you think?
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7/16/2005  3:32 PM
Posted by Marv:

Briggs, I know you're a guy who's followed the NBA for a long time, so i'll ask you to consider this -

Remember in the old days when everyone in the NBA played 4 years of college? Remember how there were lots of players who started slowly in the NBA and got better and better year by year in the league?

That's how I'm seeing Frye. I agree with you that Bynum's showing great so far. But you often refer to what you expect from a 4-year CBB player. Lots of 4-year guys improve over time in the league, just as HS guys do. I think Sweetney will be the same story (3 year CBB for him? I don't exactly remember).

What do you think?

i think that's the thing. who was the last really good 4 year big man? duncan?

in this day and age, if you're in college for 4 years, and a big man, then something just...something just ain't right, you know?
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7/16/2005  3:37 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Marv:

Briggs, I know you're a guy who's followed the NBA for a long time, so i'll ask you to consider this -

Remember in the old days when everyone in the NBA played 4 years of college? Remember how there were lots of players who started slowly in the NBA and got better and better year by year in the league?

That's how I'm seeing Frye. I agree with you that Bynum's showing great so far. But you often refer to what you expect from a 4-year CBB player. Lots of 4-year guys improve over time in the league, just as HS guys do. I think Sweetney will be the same story (3 year CBB for him? I don't exactly remember).

What do you think?

i think that's the thing. who was the last really good 4 year big man? duncan?

in this day and age, if you're in college for 4 years, and a big man, then something just...something just ain't right, you know?

But dj, are you then saying that you don't think Frye can improve once he's playing the league game?
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7/16/2005  3:51 PM
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Marv:

Briggs, I know you're a guy who's followed the NBA for a long time, so i'll ask you to consider this -

Remember in the old days when everyone in the NBA played 4 years of college? Remember how there were lots of players who started slowly in the NBA and got better and better year by year in the league?

That's how I'm seeing Frye. I agree with you that Bynum's showing great so far. But you often refer to what you expect from a 4-year CBB player. Lots of 4-year guys improve over time in the league, just as HS guys do. I think Sweetney will be the same story (3 year CBB for him? I don't exactly remember).

What do you think?

i think that's the thing. who was the last really good 4 year big man? duncan?

in this day and age, if you're in college for 4 years, and a big man, then something just...something just ain't right, you know?

the greats of the game have mostly been 3-4 yr players. Its BETTER I think for the kids to go to school, but thats not how it is anymore.
but i already brought out some stats about 4 year players hitting within 25% of their peak in yr 1. If you are not a good player in YR 1 as a 4 yr basketball player drafted high, the odds are against you that you will ever be great. You might be a bust, you might be OK you might be good, but you wont be great. i havent found 1 player who didnt start off great in yr 1 and that measn within 20-25% of their peak yr.
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7/16/2005  4:13 PM
Frye averaged 22pts 15rebs 6blks 3assist out of highschool. Maybe he should have came out right after highschool.

Dalembert averaged 1.5pts 2rebs .4blks his first yr in the league after 2yrs of college. Then averaged 8pts 7.6rebs 2.3blks his second season and 8pts 7.5rebs 1.7blks his 3rd season but is requarded as a stud center by people including me and is about to get a 75million dollar contract. Same thing will probably happen for David Harrison 6pts 3rebs & Chris Kaman 9.1pts 6.7rebs after the next 2-3yrs. Maybe even Araujo. I wonder if Frye averaged 8-7-1 that for the first 2yrs if he would get ripped apart.
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7/16/2005  8:36 PM
Bynum on the back to back


10 points 12 rebounds 4 blocks 3 assits 1 steal only 4-11 from the field.
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7/16/2005  8:56 PM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by djsunyc:
Posted by Marv:

Briggs, I know you're a guy who's followed the NBA for a long time, so i'll ask you to consider this -

Remember in the old days when everyone in the NBA played 4 years of college? Remember how there were lots of players who started slowly in the NBA and got better and better year by year in the league?

That's how I'm seeing Frye. I agree with you that Bynum's showing great so far. But you often refer to what you expect from a 4-year CBB player. Lots of 4-year guys improve over time in the league, just as HS guys do. I think Sweetney will be the same story (3 year CBB for him? I don't exactly remember).

What do you think?

i think that's the thing. who was the last really good 4 year big man? duncan?

in this day and age, if you're in college for 4 years, and a big man, then something just...something just ain't right, you know?

But dj, are you then saying that you don't think Frye can improve once he's playing the league game?

no, not that at all. it's just a red flag.

but imho, i've always said that even if this kid takes 3 years to develop, and him TOTALLY s cking for the first two of them is cool with me as long as i see development. like i said with kwame and with frye, even if he's 25 when it comes together, that's still 10 SOLID years left in him.
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7/16/2005  9:06 PM
10 solid years from 25...hmmm...that's up to age 35 and those years are SOLID.

So, marbs still has 7 pretty good years ahead of him atleast.
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7/16/2005  9:30 PM
Posted by rvhoss:

10 solid years from 25...hmmm...that's up to age 35 and those years are SOLID.

So, marbs still has 7 pretty good years ahead of him atleast.
Its different for bigs and pg's but arent GP, Nash and J. Kidd all in their early 30's now?
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7/17/2005  12:06 AM
Posted by newyorknewyork:

Frye averaged 22pts 15rebs 6blks 3assist out of highschool. Maybe he should have came out right after highschool.

Dalembert averaged 1.5pts 2rebs .4blks his first yr in the league after 2yrs of college. Then averaged 8pts 7.6rebs 2.3blks his second season and 8pts 7.5rebs 1.7blks his 3rd season but is requarded as a stud center by people including me and is about to get a 75million dollar contract. Same thing will probably happen for David Harrison 6pts 3rebs & Chris Kaman 9.1pts 6.7rebs after the next 2-3yrs. Maybe even Araujo. I wonder if Frye averaged 8-7-1 that for the first 2yrs if he would get ripped apart.

there are probably 100 of FC players all over the nation who put up similar numbers to bynum in school--HS numbers mean very little--it's all about your body type athletiscm and skills. Even today he had to go 1-1 with Lawrence Roberts playing C for Memphis who is 23 and a BEAST and he played him to a draw, no Turriaf for lA today so hakim was also in the paint. that a pretty tough assignment for a 17 yO--2 4 YRCBB players who were top notch players. He's been consistent and aggresive and really this is just a skeleton show of what he will be able to do--add in 3 more inches of height and fill him out to 290 keeping lean[its shocking how skinny he is now, im almost dont believe he lost 25 pounds looks like 40+]+ hone and devlop the natural fundamentals he has for the game keeping it simple, he will be a LOAD to stop. If he ended up in college, it woulve been interesting because according to the rules, because he is a young freshmen at 17 he wouldve had to stay 2 years---that year Oden would be coming out. Im not sure Oden would necessarily trump Bynum by that point. Oden got beat up pretty bad by derek character last week. IF Bynum grows to 7-3 290, my God he will be scary
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7/17/2005  12:07 AM
Posted by Marv:
Posted by newyorknewyork:


Mark Aqurrie is 5-1 in summer league. Maybe we should hire him as the new head coach.

Nah. It's bettter to keep him where he is so we can keep enjoying the fairy tale that he turns anyone over 6'5" into an All-Star.

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