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tkf
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7/10/2005  12:50 AM
13/6 for lee... need I say more?
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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7/10/2005  12:52 AM
Posted by tkf:

Tonight was not Frye's night, just could not get it going and that is Ok, but lee set the tone with his athletic play early, espeically with those dunks. Nate was just ridiculous again, the guy is nasty. Offensively ariza had some moments but he did play a good overall team game, especially on the boards and defensively.. Butler opened my eyes tonight..

On another note, Blatche has some skills but he is not ready for this league yet, nice handles but he shy's away from the paint and really could not get around lee at all, and he just dribbles too much and doesn't have a clue with his passes, lets put this we should have taken blatche thing to rest..

I did like that post up move and left handed hook by frye on Ramos late, the shot rolled out of the rim but he was fouled, I like that move, he can at least build off that for next game..

ALso it was one of the few times he was actually fed the ball. Players like Frye need to be fed the ball.

In summer league play it's every man for himself. Every man is trying to show what he can do. That's why summer league is so guard oriented. After all, they make the most decisions and have the most ball time. More often than not, that guard is going to let it fly.

But, that's the name of the summer league game.
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7/10/2005  12:55 AM
Box score:

http://www.vegassummerleague.com/box_score.cfm?game=24
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7/10/2005  1:07 AM
The team had a total of 7 assists?! I'm not surprised Frye didn't get more involved--he's kind of at the mercy of the guards to get the ball. Whatever happened to Aaron Miles?

[Edited by - roblackman on 07/10/2005 01:08:38]
And the reply is...a post that makes sense (still waiting)
tkf
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7/10/2005  1:08 AM
Posted by Rich:

Box score:

http://www.vegassummerleague.com/box_score.cfm?game=24

those stats can't be correct, I know ariza had more than 2 boards and nate had at least 4 assists... they have him with 0...

Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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7/10/2005  1:12 AM
I don't think Butler is a true 6 10', he's probably 6 81/2 or 6 9', but that's taller than Sweets. Butler also seems to have a nice mean streak which we desperately need in the paint. His game tonight was the most I've seen him play and it was quite good.

I'm confused by Frye - he seems lost out there. I have to believe IT knows what he's doing. I just can't figure out why Frye seems like so much of a non-factor.

Nasty Nate is the man, imagine we got him and Q for KT! I like Lee too, good choice at 30 and good JYD style enthusiasm.

Blatche was out of control but I think he showed an amazing handle and confidence. I think he's going to be a good player in the league once he calms down and gets some good coaching. If I had the chance to put Blatche or Frye in the gym with Aguire for the next 3 months, I don't know...but I guess we'll see what he can do with Frye.
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7/10/2005  1:18 AM
Frye seemed to be very low energy today. Not a good effort. Mark also took him out after every foul and Frye was basically never on the court for more than 2 minutes at a time.

Lee looked good today, I think the JYD thing is accurate. It's interesting, when they interviewed him he said the team was asking him to develop his game to be a SF. That's interesting to me. I think it means bye-bye to Tim.

Nate is a special player. The whole energy of the team changes when he's on the floor. I can't wait to see him in a real game.
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7/10/2005  1:23 AM
Nate is a special player. The whole energy of the team changes when he's on the floor. I can't wait to see him in a real game.

agreed! and I think trying to turn Lee into a SF is a good move because for one we have less of a glut at SF and two he doesn't have the size to be a fulltime 4. If he can start guarding the perimeter and if he developes a shot he'll be in great shape
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7/10/2005  1:44 AM
Observations after 3 games

nate==lottery talent, still raw at the 1, but in most drafts this guy could easily go 8-14

frye-same old same old, lacks base strength so he has trouble with defenders who have levergae on him--like he did with Ike Diogu. With a weak base, you simply give up to much ground to your defender and leaves you open to foul. Until he is strong enough to hold his defnsive position, he will have troubles with fouls. Offense, again looked out of focus, still wandering out to the perimeter.
for Channing to be successful the Knicks need to maintain aparameter with him. The chants for him to be a RAsheed Wallace will get old quick because he is not Rasheed. It s terrible to compare players. Channing HAS to stay within 12 feet and he has to continually get closer and closer to the basket--cut, post, he is not a 5--you can see what real 5s can do to him. He may have been on the Arnold strength bench pressing routine, but its legs that get and hold position> hes got to calm down and get in position to use his length and touch, so he has higher % looks and gets in position to get fouled. if he wanders past 12 feet, he will be a very inconsistent player. I think people can realize after 3 ganes this is not Pat Ewing JR. Hes our guy, so lets hope the Knicks put him in position to succeed. As long as he is focused, gets his legs stronger and stays within 12 feet, he should be a 15-7 player[i hope]
Lee- same thing hes a grinder, he showed some JYD type stuff and then dissapeared. he is a smart player who can also handle like JYD, but I see no semblance of a jump shot, looks like a solid role player who can show some flashes but I maintain we have two guys in JYD and Malik who make a LOT of money doing what he does.
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7/10/2005  1:54 AM
Attended the Summer Camp today @ UNLV; five games played. A couple of players that were impressive:

Jason Maxiell - This guy is a bull; although probably only 6'6" or so, he's a quick jumper w. really long arms. He's a worker on the boards and had 3 or 4 dunk finishes. Will probably have trouble finishing against length but this guy looked much better than Diogu of the Warriers. Thought he and Nate stole the show for the day.

Julius Hodge - Impressive length, quickness, D, can finish and good shooter. Denver has their off guard.

Daniel Ewing - You can tell he's from a good program; smooth game, good decision making. He'll make an NBA roster and won't hurt a team playing 12 min as a backup point.

Chris Kaman - Looked good and should have since he has starter experience in the league.

Other impressions:

Darko - Has a soft game like a more talented version of Sundov. Has a long way to go before he's a contributor in the playoffs and don't think he'll ever be anything but a solid player.

Amir Johnson - HS on Detroit's squad....completely lost out there...really sad that this kid turned down a offer to Louisville.

Blatche - Looks like a player; dribbles a lot but definately has some game.

My impression of the Knicks youngsters:

Nate - I guess the game was on MSG...looked terrific. Met him after the game and welcomed him to the Knicks. He actually looks a legit 5'9" in person not the reported 5'7".

Frye - Didn't have a good game but I'm not worried about him. You can tell he has a nice touch and has a good offensive game; he runs
the court well, appears to be a good athlete. Might be a little light in the loafers for the 5 though.

Lee - You guys saw the finishes...great hops. Looks like a tweener as far as position though. Doesn't have the guns or the build to go against the monster PF's. Looks to me like an energy guy off the bench for his career, which is ok.

Butler - Not afraid to bang at all...he's got some potential.
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7/10/2005  1:55 AM
good stuff Italiaknick

thanks!
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7/10/2005  2:28 AM
Nate pushes the ball up the floor as good as anyone. We have to get him decent minutes!
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7/10/2005  10:39 AM
Nate is not a PG, we have to find a guy that can distribute the ball not one that can score the ball to help Marburry out. I know that most of you are counting on Crawfford to do just that, but I am very skeptical about Crawfford's ability to run a team.
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7/10/2005  11:12 AM
Posted by diderotn:

Nate is not a PG, we have to find a guy that can distribute the ball not one that can score the ball to help Marburry out. I know that most of you are counting on Crawfford to do just that, but I am very skeptical about Crawfford's ability to run a team.


Hmmm....when you're describing Nate, sounds like you're describing someone else. Need a hint?


S.M. --------> your boy Steph.

Nate plays the same exact style as Marbury, only he can push the ball up the court better and is more athletic. Open your eyes...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/10/2005  11:22 AM
Nate is not a PG, we have to find a guy that can distribute the ball not one that can score the ball to help Marburry out.

I'm not sure anyone can say Nate Robinson is not a point guard. Why?

He may not be a point guard in his heart, but the question is: Can he play point guard? I think he can.

You must also remember that most of the players who have been extremely short for the NBA have been potent scorers. (The only exception to this rule that I know of is Muggsy Bogues.)

Don't forget, Calvin Murphy and Micheal Adams were both very good 2 guards.

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[Edited by - oohah on 07/10/2005 11:24:01]
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7/10/2005  11:46 AM
we have two pg's and 2 sg's and 2 sf's, 5 pf's and 2 centers.

This does not include Penny or Houston.

We obviously waiving Houston and Trading/BuyingOut Penny.

All this talk about players going back "home" leads me to believe we are either standing pat with the team we have (our depth gives us atleast 40 wins) or we are:

sending sweets and Jyd to Washington for Kwame
sending Penny to Memphis for Swift

and taking it to 45 wins.

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7/10/2005  11:59 AM
That's not in your opinion dude, that's in your DREAMS.


Forget Kwame AND Stro. We'll only be getting one, if any at all.

Here's how I would break down the roster:

2-3 PG's
2-3 SG's
2-3 SF's
6-7 PF's
0-1 C's


It's not looking good. There are so many things wrong with this team, and frankly, I'd rather have the Bobcats' situation, knowing at the very least that a losing position is OK, if not expected.

We're in b/w being good and a piece of ****. We're mediocre, with or without Kwame or Stro. Obviously, either would improve our athleticism and weakside help, but it won't improve us more than 5 games MAX.


What we Need:

A slight roster overhaul
A No-B.S. Coach
A kick in the head (for the Dolans)
A normalized cap by 2007
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/10/2005  12:53 PM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by Rich:

Box score:

http://www.vegassummerleague.com/box_score.cfm?game=24

those stats can't be correct, I know ariza had more than 2 boards and nate had at least 4 assists... they have him with 0...

Yea, whoever did the stats did a horrible job. Even draft express brought it up when talking about Nate...

"Nate Robinson- I’ve looked forward to this game all day. The word “awesome” comes to mind when watching him play. Robinson can do it all, he runs the break tremendously, he sees all the angles and he can finish himself if all else fails. Nate’s handle is nasty and he continues to pull the string on it like a yo-yo, baiting his opponent off balance so he can smoke him. Although he can dribble drive past any defender he has really improved on making quicker decisions with the ball and is really facilitating the offense much better than the previous two games. If he keeps this up into the NBA for a year or two, Marbury might be in trouble…

Nate made a few beautiful passes in the second half of the game to compliment his brilliant moves toward the hoop. You won’t see the assists in the box score because the stats keeper is completely inept, but he’s legitimately a point guard even if a scoring one. "

http://www.draftexpress.com/viewarticle.php?a=1037
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7/10/2005  12:57 PM
That's my point. Nate really is a smaller, more athletic version of Marbury. I think Steph is gonna ATLEAST be quitely shopped this summer, and traded, if not now, then next season...
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/10/2005  12:58 PM
nate skill wise is as good as any player in this draft. what still puzzles me are the lee to JYD comparisons, they are very different, lee is quicker, taller, jumps higher, finishes better, I mean when was the last time you saw one of our forwards beat his man down the court, take a pass and go for a reverse dunk? I will save you the trouble... NEVER... I have seen ariza do that but none of our PF's. that is for sure.....
Anyone who sits around and waits for the lottery to better themselves, either in real life or in sports, Is a Loser............... TKF
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