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fishmike
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7/9/2005  10:31 PM
Posted by bobs3304:

you might very well be right, but as a knick fan, that quite frankly sucks.
so have the last 5 years. The way we avoid another 5 is to be patient. Go back to the KT trade. We literally waited 2 years to trade him. Everyone knew he wasnt part of the future but he held his value and the waiting paid off. Marbury isnt going to fetch any less in a couple years than he will now. Now he's got a loser label. If we can build this team up a little and get back to winning some games and having a style of play Marbury's value will only increase. Again, look at the Stackhouse example and how waiting got them an integral piece of a title team.

Right now we have to focus on the development of the young players, even if it means they arent getting a lot of minutes. We have to focus on building the value of the players we are moving in the next year and half. That means finding a real role for Tim Thomas, Mo Taylor, Malik Rose and JYD. Last we have to focus on a style of play that has a future and benefits the majority of our personel.

That may be boring and suck but if you really want the title team you claim your patient enough to wait for thats the best route to take.

I would love to take a shot at Kwame, but we have to have some balance. We cant make a move on guy with his status that could set us back a year or two, and losing Crawford and Sweeetney could do just that
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7/9/2005  10:39 PM
At the very least, Kwame would give us something like 12, 7, and 1. That's not bad statistically. On the court, though, is where his impact is felt - not necessarily on the scoreboard. He's a pretty damn good interior defender, and can run the floor. From what I've seen in games and read from Wizard fans, his athleticism is second only to Amare.

And who's to say throwing in Jefferies and Sweetney isn't important. It serves a purpose for both teams. Washington throwing in the future pick would just shore up the deal.



Although I agree with your assessment about how we need to show some patience, I really feel that we need to make one risky move atleast. Playing it safe is not always the best way to go. If we're not trading Marbury, then trading Crawford for a big man with loads of potential and freak athleticism might not be a bad idea. Jefferies gives us another SF (which we'll need when Timmy is gone) that can run the floor and play D.

I think with all that Isiah's said and done this year, he can't afford to simply play it safe in the hopes that our assets will increase in value in a year or two. If we were any other team, that might be acceptable. But it's been far too long, and it's about time we made SOME noise in the playoffs. It's time for Zeke to backup his words. Playing it safe is not necessarily the way to do that. Time to shake things up...


[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/09/2005 22:43:08]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/9/2005  10:44 PM
when he wants to play. If he was going to come here, work hard, listen to coaches and give 100% every night I'm not sure there isnt a player I wouldnt give up to get him.

When he's not involved early in the offense he loafs and pouts on both sides of the ball. His conditioning has always been suspect and has not shown a good motor to go with that chisled body. He doesnt work hard, he's quit on his team when they needed him the most.

I'm with you 100% on the upside, but the downside is Isiah Rider all over again, and its a very realistic downside, especially here in this market. He could very easily get lost in the shuffle with all the new players and movement.

I would probably just trust Isiah on this one at this point. He did a solid if not spectacular job with the draft, and did a great job on the Q trade.
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7/9/2005  10:54 PM
I agree with you 100 %, but I think Marbury would have to make it his personal responsiblity to get Kwame involved early and often in the 1st quarter. Washington fans have said that when he gets involved early on, he keeps up the effort for the rest of the game.

If he's given atleast 25 mins. a game, he might realize he's actually WANTED, and counted on to come up big. I think Isiah has a knack for sticking by players he likes, and would defend Kwame no matter what. Aguirre would love to be able to work with Frye AND Kwame. And Kwame has good hands, a good indicator that he would work well with Marbury...

I'd take the chance, simply b/c even with the additions we've made, I don't see this team (as it is) making any sort of drastic improvement. With Marbury signed through 2009, Crawford most likely won't get a chance to play much PG until Steph is traded, which I don't see happening anytime soon. Might as well take a risk - especially when it could pay HUGE dividends for us...

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/09/2005 22:56:01]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/10/2005  12:19 AM


Mobley and Spree are available. Q is what it takes. Crawford's value is low and Grunfeld will laugh at some of the proposals you guys made.

Frye and Kwame are about the same age. Look at Kwame's stats. There's no doubt in my mind that he will be a great player.
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7/10/2005  12:25 AM
If Q is what it takes then I say no thanks...



no rhyme intended.

[Edited by - bobs3304 on 07/10/2005 00:27:38]
DLee is the best thing to happen to NY in Isiah's 4 year tenure. And that alone, though a positive on the radar, is sad as hell.
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7/10/2005  2:41 AM
http://www.nypost.com/sports/49862.htm

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The Knicks appear longshots to make a deal for Wizards center Kwame Brown, according to a source close to the player. Thomas has Brown atop his list, but a source said six teams are in the mix and a few of them "have a better fit" to make a sign-and-trade with Washington.

The Wizards are looking for a shooting guard (Jamal Crawford?) now that they've lost free agent Larry Hughes.

Sun center Steven Hunter would come the easiest for the Knicks. They can get him for part of their mid-level exception. Hunter is seeking about $2.5M. The Suns, a source said, will only offer their lower exception ($1.7M).

Stromile Swift, Jerome James and Antoine Walker are all in play.
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7/10/2005  2:43 AM
get Stromile & Hunter and call it a day for now. we don't have what it'll take to get Kwame

[Edited by - gunsnewing on 07/10/2005 02:44:34]
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7/10/2005  7:25 AM
Looks like Crawford is out of Wizards talks for Brown and Q is in. From newsday.
Chicago's Eddy Curry and Tyson Chandler, Philadelphia's Samuel Dalembert and Washington's Kwame Brown are restricted free agents whose teams have the right to match any offer. Of those, only Brown is on the trading block, but one Eastern Conference personnel expert said the Wizards want a starting shooting guard to replace Larry Hughes, who signed with Cleveland.

In talking with the Knicks, they have made it clear they are interested in Richardson, not Jamal Crawford, the starting two-guard last season. Although third-year power forward Mike Sweetney is available, the Wizards need more for the 6-11 Brown, who is only 23 and would project as the Knicks' starting center despite coming off an injury-plagued season.

[Edited by - Knick2001 on 07/10/2005 07:26:16]
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7/10/2005  8:48 AM
Posted by Knick2001:

Looks like Crawford is out of Wizards talks for Brown and Q is in. From newsday.
Chicago's Eddy Curry and Tyson Chandler, Philadelphia's Samuel Dalembert and Washington's Kwame Brown are restricted free agents whose teams have the right to match any offer. Of those, only Brown is on the trading block, but one Eastern Conference personnel expert said the Wizards want a starting shooting guard to replace Larry Hughes, who signed with Cleveland.

In talking with the Knicks, they have made it clear they are interested in Richardson, not Jamal Crawford, the starting two-guard last season. Although third-year power forward Mike Sweetney is available, the Wizards need more for the 6-11 Brown, who is only 23 and would project as the Knicks' starting center despite coming off an injury-plagued season.

[Edited by - Knick2001 on 07/10/2005 07:26:16]
Then as one reporter I heard on the subject if they wanted a 2 guard so bad they should have paid Hughes is damn money. But that's Grunfeld for you. As everyone keeps forgetting the Wizards are not in a position of strength. I don't care what Grunfeld says, Kwame is not their property, he is a restricted free agent, he doesn't want to come back to them and they don't want him back. Isiah was smart to put in Kwame's and his agent head that he is wanted. Just sit back and let Kwame and his agent make it happen.
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7/10/2005  9:54 AM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by Knick2001:

Looks like Crawford is out of Wizards talks for Brown and Q is in. From newsday.
Chicago's Eddy Curry and Tyson Chandler, Philadelphia's Samuel Dalembert and Washington's Kwame Brown are restricted free agents whose teams have the right to match any offer. Of those, only Brown is on the trading block, but one Eastern Conference personnel expert said the Wizards want a starting shooting guard to replace Larry Hughes, who signed with Cleveland.

In talking with the Knicks, they have made it clear they are interested in Richardson, not Jamal Crawford, the starting two-guard last season. Although third-year power forward Mike Sweetney is available, the Wizards need more for the 6-11 Brown, who is only 23 and would project as the Knicks' starting center despite coming off an injury-plagued season.

[Edited by - Knick2001 on 07/10/2005 07:26:16]
Then as one reporter I heard on the subject if they wanted a 2 guard so bad they should have paid Hughes is damn money. But that's Grunfeld for you. As everyone keeps forgetting the Wizards are not in a position of strength. I don't care what Grunfeld says, Kwame is not their property, he is a restricted free agent, he doesn't want to come back to them and they don't want him back. Isiah was smart to put in Kwame's and his agent head that he is wanted. Just sit back and let Kwame and his agent make it happen.


that's an EXCELLENT point. The Wizards can't decide who they want to deal with here. They have to go to Kwame and work with him. It has to be a three way fit, basically. And the Wizards have the least leverage of the three parts.
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