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7/6/2005  2:30 PM
i didn't call Sweetney a bust...but he's fast approaching that mantle...at least w/Kwame i feel there's some upside where he can still become a star calibre player if he starts to play up to his ability...w/Sweetney all i ever think he'll become is a solid role player at best...if i have to roll the dice, i think this is a worthwhile gamble.
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7/6/2005  2:33 PM
Posted by TMS:

i didn't call Sweetney a bust...but he's fast approaching that mantle...at least w/Kwame i feel there's some upside where he can still become a star calibre player if he starts to play up to his ability...w/Sweetney all i ever think he'll become is a solid role player at best...if i have to roll the dice, i think this is a worthwhile gamble.

As I stated above, I feel that Kwame's mentality is as much a hindrance to potential as Sweetney's height. Both are the same age, and I believe Sweetney's the better player now. Going forward I'd rather have Sweetney because of that. I understand the risk/reward proposition with Brown, but I'd much rather take that risk by offering him the MLE or giving up Rose/Taylor/JYD.
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7/6/2005  2:44 PM
Posted by TMS:

i didn't call Sweetney a bust...but he's fast approaching that mantle...at least w/Kwame i feel there's some upside where he can still become a star calibre player if he starts to play up to his ability...w/Sweetney all i ever think he'll become is a solid role player at best...if i have to roll the dice, i think this is a worthwhile gamble.


Sweetney is not a bust, and he isnt fast approaching that mantle, hll is last game of the season was 16 points 13 rebounds in 24 minutes, not exactly the sign of an upcoming bust.

What I do think is that Isiah wants a different type of 4, and that means Sweetney is expendable, but only in a reasonable deal. I see JYD and Sweetney for Blatche and Kwame reasonable.
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7/6/2005  2:53 PM
now, that is a deal that I would do...simply because I do believe that Blatche has the mental toughness that Kwame lacks and furthermore, Blatche is a lot more talented then Kwame. However, Grundsfeld is smarter than that, he know what he has in Blatche

What I do think is that Isiah wants a different type of 4, and that means Sweetney is expendable, but only in a reasonable deal. I see JYD and Sweetney for Blatche and Kwame reasonable.

[Edited by - diderotn on 07/06/2005 14:54:55]
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7/6/2005  2:55 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:
Posted by TMS:

i didn't call Sweetney a bust...but he's fast approaching that mantle...at least w/Kwame i feel there's some upside where he can still become a star calibre player if he starts to play up to his ability...w/Sweetney all i ever think he'll become is a solid role player at best...if i have to roll the dice, i think this is a worthwhile gamble.


Sweetney is not a bust, and he isnt fast approaching that mantle, hll is last game of the season was 16 points 13 rebounds in 24 minutes, not exactly the sign of an upcoming bust.

What I do think is that Isiah wants a different type of 4, and that means Sweetney is expendable, but only in a reasonable deal. I see JYD and Sweetney for Blatche and Kwame reasonable.

WEll i'm not a Kwame fan, but I do recognize that our roster is lopsided, and like you say, calculated risks make sense. This move would mean we're now relying on Rose and Taylor as our PF's, but it also means that Frye can get PF minutes as well as C. plus we'd get to see if blatche has game. I'd do it.
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7/6/2005  3:08 PM
Posted by fishmike:
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I look at it this way, Isiah is GM, he should be given latitude on this last change of course. I dont agree with pick 8, but I agree with what he has been trying to do. I am going to give him the space to do what he wants for the next two years. The big red flags to me are any aqcuistion of A Walker OR Frye performing in a medicore fashion. If he wants to get rid of steph or pick up Kwame, he has my vote.
I agree... which is why Vin Baker and Mo Taylor had me scratching my head.

I really wouldn't sleep on MoT...he was out of shape last year, but before he went on the IR, he was contributing...once he gets back in shape (which better be this summer) he's a force to reckon with...he's had a handful of PRODUCTIVE games when given the opportunity...even when he was fat.

Him and Rose are the Yin and Yan we need.
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7/6/2005  3:15 PM
Posted by BRIGGS:

Sweetney is not a bust, and he isnt fast approaching that mantle, hll is last game of the season was 16 points 13 rebounds in 24 minutes, not exactly the sign of an upcoming bust.

What I do think is that Isiah wants a different type of 4, and that means Sweetney is expendable, but only in a reasonable deal. I see JYD and Sweetney for Blatche and Kwame reasonable.

Well, two young gambles for a good young player and a role player PF. That doesn't sound that bad...
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7/6/2005  3:18 PM
Ernie is not dumb...He would never this deal. Kwame for Sweetney is a doable deal, but not Kwame and Blatche...

Well, two young gambles for a good young player and a role player PF. That doesn't sound that bad...
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7/6/2005  3:20 PM
Posted by diderotn:

Ernie is not dumb...He would never this deal. Kwame for Sweetney is a doable deal, but not Kwame and Blatche...

Well, two young gambles for a good young player and a role player PF. That doesn't sound that bad...

Well, we would be dumb if we traded Sweetney straight for Kwame so..
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7/6/2005  3:24 PM
Posted by diderotn:

now, that is a deal that I would do...simply because I do believe that Blatche has the mental toughness that Kwame lacks and furthermore, Blatche is a lot more talented then Kwame. However, Grundsfeld is smarter than that, he know what he has in Blatche

What I do think is that Isiah wants a different type of 4, and that means Sweetney is expendable, but only in a reasonable deal. I see JYD and Sweetney for Blatche and Kwame reasonable.

[Edited by - diderotn on 07/06/2005 14:54:55]

I don't understand how you can equate Blatche having better mental toughness than Kwame. Granted Kwame has a maturity of a 12 year old, but have you met or even seen Blatche play?

I do like the trade of Kwame,Blatche for JYD and Sweetney.

BRIGGS - I agree that this is a reasonable trade. I would never trade Sweetney for Kwame straight up.
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7/6/2005  3:26 PM
Watching the Jordan classics thought me a lot about Blatche. He has ball handling skills which Kwame doesn't, he rebounds the ball with authority, whick Kwame doesn't do, he takes it to the hole like he should, which Kwame doesn't do. Blatche is not a primadona like Kwame...He should have been drafted by Isiah with the 30th pick or with the 21st pick...


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I don't understand how you can equate Blatche having better mental toughness than Kwame. Granted Kwame has a maturity of a 12 year old, but have you met or even seen Blatche play?

I do like the trade of Kwame,Blatche for JYD and Sweetney.

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7/6/2005  3:33 PM
Posted by diderotn:

Watching the Jordan classics thought me a lot about Blatche. He has ball handling skills which Kwame doesn't, he rebounds the ball with authority, whick Kwame doesn't do, he takes it to the hole like he should, which Kwame doesn't do. Blatche is not a primadona like Kwame...He should have been drafted by Isiah with the 30th pick or with the 21st pick...


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I don't understand how you can equate Blatche having better mental toughness than Kwame. Granted Kwame has a maturity of a 12 year old, but have you met or even seen Blatche play?

I do like the trade of Kwame,Blatche for JYD and Sweetney.

Wait. All the things you have just stated are all physical skills. Also, "The Jordan Classics" is a HS All-Star game. So watching a few HS All-Star games taught you a lot about a person. WOW! Nalod is right, you are "Miss Cleo"!
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7/6/2005  3:35 PM
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I feel that we'll keep screaming potential for years with Kwame Brown the way we do with Tim Thomas. Tim Thomas was 27 and had done crap in the NBA for 7 seasons before he got here and there were people here still talking about his potential. Why can't the mentality of guys like Kwame or Tim Thomas be as much a restrictive factor on "potential," as Sweetney's height. Obviously there is no human way to change height, but man its really difficult to change someone's mentality when they simply do not care about getting better.

Luckily, even though Kwame hasn't shown the signs of taking it to the next level after 4 seasons, he is still only 23, so we're still talking about on ok gamble because of his size. But I wouldn't give up a player for him who is the same age and better. Chances are that player will stay better.

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7/6/2005  3:36 PM
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Posted by diderotn:

now, that is a deal that I would do...simply because I do believe that Blatche has the mental toughness that Kwame lacks and furthermore, Blatche is a lot more talented then Kwame. However, Grundsfeld is smarter than that, he know what he has in Blatche

What I do think is that Isiah wants a different type of 4, and that means Sweetney is expendable, but only in a reasonable deal. I see JYD and Sweetney for Blatche and Kwame reasonable.

[Edited by - diderotn on 07/06/2005 14:54:55]

I don't understand how you can equate Blatche having better mental toughness than Kwame. Granted Kwame has a maturity of a 12 year old, but have you met or even seen Blatche play?

I do like the trade of Kwame,Blatche for JYD and Sweetney.

BRIGGS - I agree that this is a reasonable trade. I would never trade Sweetney for Kwame straight up.
I think Isiah wouldn't take Blatche. He pissed off a lot of teams that is why he slipped so bad. He turned down the Knicks for a second workout. To me Kwame Brown still has more potential then Blatche.
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7/6/2005  3:41 PM
Posted by Pharzeone:
Posted by NYKBocker:
Posted by diderotn:

now, that is a deal that I would do...simply because I do believe that Blatche has the mental toughness that Kwame lacks and furthermore, Blatche is a lot more talented then Kwame. However, Grundsfeld is smarter than that, he know what he has in Blatche

What I do think is that Isiah wants a different type of 4, and that means Sweetney is expendable, but only in a reasonable deal. I see JYD and Sweetney for Blatche and Kwame reasonable.

[Edited by - diderotn on 07/06/2005 14:54:55]

I don't understand how you can equate Blatche having better mental toughness than Kwame. Granted Kwame has a maturity of a 12 year old, but have you met or even seen Blatche play?

I do like the trade of Kwame,Blatche for JYD and Sweetney.

BRIGGS - I agree that this is a reasonable trade. I would never trade Sweetney for Kwame straight up.
I think Isiah wouldn't take Blatche. He pissed off a lot of teams that is why he slipped so bad. He turned down the Knicks for a second workout. To me Kwame Brown still has more potential then Blatche.

I don't know who these kids are listening to. Gerald Green had the same problem in that he did not want to workout against anybody.
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