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Mac
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7/5/2005  2:22 PM
any trade for KG involves Frye, period.
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7/5/2005  3:01 PM
i was reading this thread and forgive me for thinking this could come true buttttt. when you create an atmosphere of kg and steph it sometimes attacks other players to want to play with the knicks. in a weird way i think the trade idea is a win-win situation. no trade keeps the youth, get the trade turns NY into a magnet for talent. add Q makes the NY pot sweeter. if this trade some how send crawford to minn. i would actually consider putting KG at the 3.... I would like to throw this idea out there: say the deal goes through not this season but next season the chicago centers become UFA then paxon can't match the offer we could possible be on to something big. adding by subtraction.(thinking that frye goes to minn) just a thought for the future
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7/5/2005  3:09 PM
Posted by Mac:

any trade for KG involves Frye, period.
then it can't happen until december
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7/5/2005  3:13 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Mac:

any trade for KG involves Frye, period.
then it can't happen until december

why not, Bonn? Don't teams always trade away players that they just drafted when teams do draftday deals, or does that all go out the window once the team that drafts the player then signs him to a contract instead of just owning his rights?

Now for my take. I think this would be excellent, theres not much else to say. If the Knicks can trade away Crawford, TT and Penny, then I guess either Sweets or Frye (I would much rather keep Frye then to hold on too Sweetney) This is a deal you have to make, to have a team built around Kevin Garnett and Stephon Marbury would make the Knicks immediate contenders for the NBA Championship and I think the best team in the Eastern Conference.
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7/5/2005  3:17 PM
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Mac:

any trade for KG involves Frye, period.
then it can't happen until december

why not, Bonn? Don't teams always trade away players that they just drafted when teams do draftday deals, or does that all go out the window once the team that drafts the player then signs him to a contract instead of just owning his rights?

Now for my take. I think this would be excellent, theres not much else to say. If the Knicks can trade away Crawford, TT and Penny, then I guess either Sweets or Frye (I would much rather keep Frye then to hold on too Sweetney) This is a deal you have to make, to have a team built around Kevin Garnett and Stephon Marbury would make the Knicks immediate contenders for the NBA Championship and I think the best team in the Eastern Conference.
Once you sign a player you drafted, you are not allowed to trade that player until December. That applies to all 3 of our now-signed 1st rd picks.
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7/5/2005  3:18 PM
If we got KG abd have:

KG
Steph
Q
Ariza

we are in a great position.
All we need are complimentary role players around them, because that core is a contender.
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7/5/2005  3:19 PM
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by nyk4ever:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Mac:

any trade for KG involves Frye, period.
then it can't happen until december

why not, Bonn? Don't teams always trade away players that they just drafted when teams do draftday deals, or does that all go out the window once the team that drafts the player then signs him to a contract instead of just owning his rights?

Now for my take. I think this would be excellent, theres not much else to say. If the Knicks can trade away Crawford, TT and Penny, then I guess either Sweets or Frye (I would much rather keep Frye then to hold on too Sweetney) This is a deal you have to make, to have a team built around Kevin Garnett and Stephon Marbury would make the Knicks immediate contenders for the NBA Championship and I think the best team in the Eastern Conference.
Once you sign a player you drafted, you are not allowed to trade that player until December. That applies to all 3 of our now-signed 1st rd picks.

Thats what I figured. Well I'm glad that if any of this is true that Frye will not be in any potential deal that the Knicks offer for KG. As much as I want to see Sweetney thrive in NY, I think holding onto Frye is the much better option and letting him play Center next to KG... wow what a lineup that would be.
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7/5/2005  4:49 PM
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7/5/2005  4:57 PM
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cool pic!
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7/5/2005  8:51 PM
Didn't even think to look to see if i could just paste it... still trying to figure it all out.
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7/5/2005  9:11 PM
Posted by vandal182nyk:

Didn't even think to look to see if i could just paste it... still trying to figure it all out.
You can right click on an image and click on properties. Then you'll see the URL address for the image. Cut that address. Then click on the "insert image" icon on the top row in this forum. Paste the address between the URLs. It took me about a year to figure out how to do that!

[Edited by - Bonn1997 on 07/05/2005 21:13:15]
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7/5/2005  9:43 PM
Posted by diderotn:

By mid season or the trade deadline, Garnett will be a KNicks...Penny/TT/Sweetney and 2 first round draft picks will get the deal done....

No way unless they're on their way to the lottery for a 2nd consecutive season..

Usually if anyone wants to trade with the Knicks, they would demand more as oppose to some other team..

KG is gonna be 29 yrs of age by May 2006 and he's developing minor knee problems... Would not give away our future for him...

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7/5/2005  9:51 PM
WE ARE NOT GETTING KEVIN GARNETT! SAME AS LAST YEAR WHEN WE WERE NOT GETTING KOBE OR SHAQ OR T-MAC!
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7/5/2005  9:58 PM
KG is gonna be 29 yrs of age by May 2006 and he's developing minor knee problems... Would not give away our future for him...

No disrespect fam, but you are buggin right now... Kevin Garnett is one of... if not THE BEST all around player in this league. He is EXACTLY what this organization needs... a true SUPERSTAR in every sense of the word. NONE of those players (Sweetney, Ariza, Crawford), including the 06'picks are gonna be the type of impact player for NYK that K.G. would be.

If we have the slightest chance to add him as the new face of this franchise.. even with him being 28, and at the expense of our young hopefuls.. We'd have to... ISIAH WOULD BE A FOOL NOT TO!

I'm all for this trade, and I really hope that this rumor has some merit... and goes down. This would be a major face lift for NYC.. and NY Knick championship aspirations.

We'd be back like cooked crack



[Edited by - JayNYC on 07/05/2005 21:59:03]

[Edited by - JayNYC on 07/05/2005 21:59:37]

[Edited by - JayNYC on 07/05/2005 22:01:23]
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7/5/2005  10:51 PM
Posted by JayNYC:

KG is gonna be 29 yrs of age by May 2006 and he's developing minor knee problems... Would not give away our future for him...

No disrespect fam, but you are buggin right now... Kevin Garnett is one of... if not THE BEST all around player in this league. He is EXACTLY what this organization needs... a true SUPERSTAR in every sense of the word. NONE of those players (Sweetney, Ariza, Crawford), including the 06'picks are gonna be the type of impact player for NYK that K.G. would be.

If we have the slightest chance to add him as the new face of this franchise.. even with him being 28, and at the expense of our young hopefuls.. We'd have to... ISIAH WOULD BE A FOOL NOT TO!

I'm all for this trade, and I really hope that this rumor has some merit... and goes down. This would be a major face lift for NYC.. and NY Knick championship aspirations.

We'd be back like cooked crack



[Edited by - JayNYC on 07/05/2005 21:59:03]

[Edited by - JayNYC on 07/05/2005 21:59:37]

[Edited by - JayNYC on 07/05/2005 22:01:23]

Kg is 29 yr of age.. If we're looking to build for the future, Kg should not be included in those plans.. You're talking about a superstar now but how much does KG has left in the tank??? 2 to 4 yrs.

By acquiring KG, we're looking @ short-term resolution and will end up paying the price in the long run.. Knicks no longer sticking with the patchwork method.. They are now convinced that the best approach would be the long-term approach by rebuilding and eventually will pick up a young studded superstar who can help the Knciks for the next 7 to 10yrs....

If you're looking to obtain a superstar or a superstar in the making, you pursue Lebron James in 2 yrs when he becomes a free- agent..

In 2007, he'll only be 22 yrs old where he can sign a 10 yr contract and play for the Knicks during that period..

I would not acquire KG cause we would have to give up majority of our youngsters. We never give young players a chance to grow and develop with the Knicks.. That's one of our problems..
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7/5/2005  11:36 PM
Kg is 29 yr of age.. If we're looking to build for the future, Kg should not be included in those plans.. You're talking about a superstar now but how much does KG has left in the tank??? 2 to 4 yrs.

By acquiring KG, we're looking @ short-term resolution and will end up paying the price in the long run.. Knicks no longer sticking with the patchwork method.. They are now convinced that the best approach would be the long-term approach by rebuilding and eventually will pick up a young studded superstar who can help the Knciks for the next 7 to 10yrs....

If you're looking to obtain a superstar or a superstar in the making, you pursue Lebron James in 2 yrs when he becomes a free- agent..

In 2007, he'll only be 22 yrs old where he can sign a 10 yr contract and play for the Knicks during that period..

I would not acquire KG cause we would have to give up majority of our youngsters. We never give young players a chance to grow and develop with the Knicks.. That's one of our problems..

I'll tell you the truth.. you certainly have a valid argument as to why NYK has been unsuccessful in past rebuilding efforts. To some extent I can even go as far as saying I'd agree under normal circumstances.

Granted, "NORMAL" being the Knicks propencity of trading young potential for older MARGINAL talent along with albatross contracts.

I'm sure, their is NO ONE in these forums that would consider Kevin Garnett "marginal". So what if he's 28 and soon to be 29, with approximately 2-4 years left in the tank??? That still is beyond adequate; and SHOULD be more than we as NYK fans could ever hope for... Especially, if we are immediately contenders again.. and dare I even say Championship caliber, based on the arrival of ONE man!

You call it "PATCHWORK".. I beg to differ. This is exactly the type of trade that we as Knicks fans SHOULD crave for. This is the type of deal that can re-energize and re-shape the scope of the Knicks identity now and in the future.. WE NEED A SUPERSTAR PLAYER... this trade would make us the team to beat in the East, no question about it. Garnett is a game changer.. there are only a few of those players in this league right now. If i'm an owner, my thought process is as follows.. WIN NOW, point blank. If I can assemble a HIGH QUALITY team through trade acquisition, instead of through the draft and get faster results in the process.. WHY wouldn't I opt to do so?

Yeah, I'd love Lebron as well.. he's younger and will be a player for many yrs to come.. BUT Kevin Garnett makes more sense for NY now, and If this trade rumor actualizes we'd be retarded not to applaud the deal!

Frye
Garnett
Szcerbiak
Richardson
Marbury

Let that lineup Marinate for a minute playboy Like I said, you make sense.. and if it was one of those stupid trades that Knicks gm's in the past were used to making, I'd likely be in total agreement with you.

[Edited by - JayNYC on 07/05/2005 23:38:48]

[Edited by - JayNYC on 07/05/2005 23:41:12]
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7/6/2005  3:46 PM
Didn't Marbury and Garnet have major beef? Marbury used to say how much Stoudamire was going to be. He said comparing Amare to KG is like comparing a man to a boy. KG was super pissed. Have they buried the hatchet?

And no way we can trade for him unless he goes "I want to play in NYC because it is my favorite city and I will sabotage any other situation I get put into." Thats prob the only way we get him.
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7/6/2005  9:29 PM
Posted by JayNYC:
By acquiring KG, we're looking @ short-term resolution and will end up paying the price in the long run.. Knicks no longer sticking with the patchwork method.. They are now convinced that the best approach would be the long-term approach by rebuilding and eventually will pick up a young studded superstar who can help the Knciks for the next 7 to 10yrs....

If you're looking to obtain a superstar or a superstar in the making, you pursue Lebron James in 2 yrs when he becomes a free- agent..

In 2007, he'll only be 22 yrs old where he can sign a 10 yr contract and play for the Knicks during that period..

I would not acquire KG cause we would have to give up majority of our youngsters. We never give young players a chance to grow and develop with the Knicks.. That's one of our problems..

I'll tell you the truth.. you certainly have a valid argument as to why NYK has been unsuccessful in past rebuilding efforts. To some extent I can even go as far as saying I'd agree under normal circumstances.

Granted, "NORMAL" being the Knicks propencity of trading young potential for older MARGINAL talent along with albatross contracts.

I'm sure, their is NO ONE in these forums that would consider Kevin Garnett "marginal". So what if he's 28 and soon to be 29, with approximately 2-4 years left in the tank??? That still is beyond adequate; and SHOULD be more than we as NYK fans could ever hope for... Especially, if we are immediately contenders again.. and dare I even say Championship caliber, based on the arrival of ONE man!

You call it "PATCHWORK".. I beg to differ. This is exactly the type of trade that we as Knicks fans SHOULD crave for. This is the type of deal that can re-energize and re-shape the scope of the Knicks identity now and in the future.. WE NEED A SUPERSTAR PLAYER... this trade would make us the team to beat in the East, no question about it.

The Knicks need to grow players via the organization. True Knicks!! If garnett does come to the Knicks, they'll have 2 all-stars, one superstar.. Usually that will guarantee you a playoff spot but not a championship.. By getting him, you would have to give up majority of your youngsters and possibly more.. We wouldn't be the team to beat in the East.. It still would be Detroit with the ferocious defense..

Garnett is a game changer..
GArnett is known for not showing up in big games. He's not a clutch performer..
there are only a few of those players in this league right now. If i'm an owner, my thought process is as follows.. WIN NOW, point blank. If I can assemble a HIGH QUALITY team through trade acquisition, instead of through the draft and get faster results in the process.. Why wouldn't I opt to do so?

Sorry bro but the formula to winning is via the draft, build your team than possibly obtain the best player around via trade.. Look @ San Antonio with parker, ginobli and duncan.. 3 out of the 5 starters came from the draft..


Frye
Garnett
Szcerbiak
Richardson
Marbury
Let that lineup Marinate for a minute playboy Like I said, you make sense.. and if it was one of those stupid trades that Knicks gm's in the past were used to making, I'd likely be in total agreement with you.

Could tell you right now this team would not win a championship. 3 out of the 5 starters can't play defense, even if their own life depend on it.. This team can score but defensively, they look weak.. Detroit and San Antonio would eat us alive..
[Edited by - JayNYC on 07/05/2005 23:38:48]

[Edited by - JayNYC on 07/05/2005 23:41:12]

[Edited by - WOODMANnYk on 07/06/2005 21:31:11]
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7/6/2005  10:48 PM
i seriously doubt he has "2-4 yrs left in the tank". a 32 yr old shaq is said to have 2-3 yrs left. kg is 29, more athletic, faster, a more rounded player,(w/a jumper) and plays w/alot more intensity. let me ask this, have you seen him play lately? does'nt play like he only has 2-4 yrs in the tank.
look, bottom line is kg is a game changer. all focus will completely shift away from frye and he can just consentrate on being a rookie and work himself in slowly. look at me talkin' like it's gonna happen. duh...
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