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crzymdups
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6/30/2005  4:36 PM
Posted by fishmike:

like who and what deals? Give me examples? LA never took on bad contacts, the exact opposite. They used space to sign Shaq. After that the only guys that had big contracts were Shaq and Kobe, the next higest paid guy was probably Devon George. Funny thing.. when they took BACK a bad contract in Brian Grant the losing started right away. No.. I dont blame that for thier turnaround, but you use it for a reason they are very stuck with limited ways to improve.

Bad contract cripple you and just add more time to how ever long it takes for you to get better.

Look at us.. we are all basicly waiting for TT, Penny, Shandon, Houston and Mo T to expire and just go away. Bad contract = cancer for the roster and a GMs ability to make changes.


I agree with you for the most part. The team I can think of that built like that was that insane Portland Trailblazers team from 2000 that SHOULD have won it all. They were great, the most expensive team in history (before last year's and this year's Knicks), full of overpriced vets and somehow it all worked. Mainly because Sheed was a monster. We don't have a monster, so it wouldn't work. I would take on bad deals to acquire a monster type big guy. That's the advantage we have. I don't like the idea anymore of acquiring a guy who won't help much like Jalen Rose or Wally Z. Thankfully we don't need those guys anymore. But if the chance was there to get a young Sheed type, I'd be willing to overpay.
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6/30/2005  4:37 PM
Posted by MS:

How has Isiah got away from adding bad contracts, and anyone in the last year of their contract is tradeable.....

No one is hating you just have to question a guy that makes bad moves on a continual basis, and keeps adding money, his track record for success doesn't really speak for itself, he has ****ed up severely at his last three positions

But he is a name, his game is respected, and he is a good communicator, but lets not give the guy his credit until he earns it. To many people on this site are in love with this man......We keep adding players with no place to put them

I'm putting Frye in as starting center.

I'm putting Robinson in as offensive and defensive spark and change of pace off the bench a la Ben Gordon/Earl Boykins.

I'm putting David Lee in as impact/energy front court player a la Nocioni last year.

I'm putting in Q as combo deep threat a la Phoenix/b*tch of a driving/posting big guard a la LA.
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6/30/2005  4:41 PM
Marv.. it doesnt even matter so long as you keep adding the right kind of players. I dont expect Isiah to add 3 core player every year via the draft like he did, but what if he adds 3 ever 2 years via draft and FA? Think about what our roster will look like in 2 years. Kinda like the Bulls (hopefully) with a bunch of good young players and a some solid veterans to keep them all glued. Also a coach that pushes them and doesnt take any crap is critical.

Thats a big piece we dont have yet.
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6/30/2005  4:45 PM
I think these players will work well together, once Ariza adds some muscle we have a nice up tempo unit

But

Fyre/Rose/Butler
Sweetney/JYD/MO/Lee
TT/Ariza/Penny
Richardson/Crawford/Houston (gone most likely)
Marbury/Robinson

We know where the players he just brought in are going, but most of the guys aren't moveable, and we are looking at players with the mid-level
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6/30/2005  4:49 PM
Posted by fishmike:

Marv.. it doesnt even matter so long as you keep adding the right kind of players. I dont expect Isiah to add 3 core player every year via the draft like he did, but what if he adds 3 ever 2 years via draft and FA? Think about what our roster will look like in 2 years. Kinda like the Bulls (hopefully) with a bunch of good young players and a some solid veterans to keep them all glued. Also a coach that pushes them and doesnt take any crap is critical.

Thats a big piece we dont have yet.

Honestly, look at our roster right now. It compares pretty well to the Bulls of last year. They have Kirk, Gordon and Duhon. We have Marbury, Craw and Nate. They have Deng. We have Ariza and Q. They have Nocioni, we have David Lee and JYD. They have Chandler, we have Frye. They have Othella, we have Malik. They have Curry, we have Sweetney - now some people may say that's a stretch, but Sweetney kills Curry. We also have Tim Thomas and Mo T who can score in the post, or be used in trades later. We have Penny's deal to add more talent.

I think we can really take off next year with the right coach. Adding the right big man this summer will be huge too. A guy like Hunter or Gadzuric would really help the process.
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6/30/2005  4:55 PM
Posted by crzymdups:


Sweetney kills Curry.

Man you are so right on!

One of my favorite things to watch is Sweetney on Curry.

Curry moves further and further out of the post, gets a look on his face like he'd rather be anywhere in the world but there.

Then Skiles takes his fat useless ass out of the game.

Muahahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!!!!
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6/30/2005  5:09 PM
Quick observation...

Frye is a true 6'11", because in this picture, he is as tall as Herb if not taller...
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6/30/2005  5:43 PM
I would just like to state the trade was KT/Dijon Thompson for Q-Rich/Robinson. Alot of you guys don't even bother to list Dijon. He's a sleeper on the suns. Just wait and see.
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6/30/2005  5:45 PM
I still like what we got...because Kurt's time with the Knicks was over with a long time ago.

Posted by MX25:

I would just like to state the trade was KT/Dijon Thompson for Q-Rich/Robinson. Alot of you guys don't even bother to list Dijon. He's a sleeper on the suns. Just wait and see.
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6/30/2005  5:51 PM
Posted by diderotn:

Quick observation...

Frye is a true 6'11", because in this picture, he is as tall as Herb if not taller...
http://www.nba.com/knicks/

You know what kinda makes me sad... Herb is doing everything he can right now for the team, these little photo ops, working out players, even though theres a huge possibility that he will not be retained. I know its a business and all but Herb is really a classy guy and I know he's trying to keep a job but there aren't many people who would do the things he's doing right now with his status in limbo. Herb is a classy guy.
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6/30/2005  5:57 PM
You know what? Herb puts himself in that position. He knows how the business is, in my opinion, I wouldn't put myself in that position. I have a lot more dignity than that. Isiah is fearless, as he has said, he is not loyal to anyone, he is only loyal to winning...Frankly, that is the right way to think when you are running a team.
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6/30/2005  6:05 PM
Posted by MX25:

I would just like to state the trade was KT/Dijon Thompson for Q-Rich/Robinson. Alot of you guys don't even bother to list Dijon. He's a sleeper on the suns. Just wait and see.
He was also a sleeper for most of his college career.
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6/30/2005  6:12 PM
Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by MX25:

I would just like to state the trade was KT/Dijon Thompson for Q-Rich/Robinson. Alot of you guys don't even bother to list Dijon. He's a sleeper on the suns. Just wait and see.
He was also a sleeper for most of his college career.
Just like Ariza. Your point???
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6/30/2005  8:18 PM
Posted by diderotn:

Dude, after one year, you really can't judge the success of the Knicks. Now, after this coming season if our record doesn't improve than I will be the first to talk bad about Isiah. Right now, he is doing a hell of a good job...Zeke needs to get rid of herb, that should be his next big move..

Posted by simrud:

But the wins are about the same if not worse, and the salary situation is much worse.

So take it with a grain of salt.

First you say that you can't judge Isiah's tenure so far as Knicks GM and then 2 sentences later you say that he's doing a hell of a job. So apparently it's ok to judge Isiah, just as long as you judge him in a positive light.
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6/30/2005  8:18 PM
Posted by diderotn:

You know what? Herb puts himself in that position. He knows how the business is, in my opinion, I wouldn't put myself in that position. I have a lot more dignity than that. Isiah is fearless, as he has said, he is not loyal to anyone, he is only loyal to winning...Frankly, that is the right way to think when you are running a team.

Dido, I totally agree with you. Isiah needs to hire the best person available to coach the Knicks just like he said. I'm just saying, I gotta give Herb alot of credit for doing some of the things he's doing, he's been a Knick for a long time. I dunno, maybe I got a soft spot for the guy I guess. As much as I know Isiah can only be loyal to winning and trust me thats the way I want him to be, but it is nice to see Herb conducting himself the way he has the past 4-5 months.
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6/30/2005  9:30 PM
Posted by MX25:
Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by MX25:

I would just like to state the trade was KT/Dijon Thompson for Q-Rich/Robinson. Alot of you guys don't even bother to list Dijon. He's a sleeper on the suns. Just wait and see.
He was also a sleeper for most of his college career.
Just like Ariza. Your point???


Dijon isn't even on the Suns anymore... he lasted a whole 12 hours on that teambefore they sold his rights to the Cavs I believe...
Unless your hell bent on seeing the Kurt Thomas trade as a bad one... no way Dijon is even a factor...
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6/30/2005  10:16 PM
I like Herb but he's doing what he's asked because he is getting paid, and they will find a job in the organization for him even if it's not head coach. If they lucky enough to get Brown I think you're going to see HW as assistant head coach
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6/30/2005  10:37 PM
Again, no one put a gun in Herb's head and forced him to do the job that he is doing. He just like many of us who want a job really bad decides to go above and beyound to retain the position that he is in right now..if he is not chosen at the end, oh well, he did get paid while he was doing the things that he did. I am pretty sure that Isiah warned him from the get go...I like Isiah's approach and I hope that he doesn't allow the media to force him to make mistakes..
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6/30/2005  10:54 PM
I agree, I like Herb and I'd like him to stick around with the organization, but I just don't think he's ready to be a head coach. If we could keep him as an assistant, I would be fine.

Hey...atleast if we keep Herb, there's a good chance to bring back Pat.
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7/1/2005  1:07 AM
Posted by islesfan:
Posted by diderotn:

Dude, after one year, you really can't judge the success of the Knicks. Now, after this coming season if our record doesn't improve than I will be the first to talk bad about Isiah. Right now, he is doing a hell of a good job...Zeke needs to get rid of herb, that should be his next big move..

Posted by simrud:

But the wins are about the same if not worse, and the salary situation is much worse.

So take it with a grain of salt.

First you say that you can't judge Isiah's tenure so far as Knicks GM and then 2 sentences later you say that he's doing a hell of a job. So apparently it's ok to judge Isiah, just as long as you judge him in a positive light.

touche
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