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6/30/2005  12:10 AM
Posted by Bonn1997:
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Curry plays a post up game. No one currently on the Knicks does except Sweetney who is 6'8".
Q has a nice post game and from what I've heard Frye does too

Can you run the half court offense through either of them because they can command a double team in the post and then pass out? I doubt it.
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6/30/2005  12:15 AM
Posted by Rich:
Posted by Bonn1997:
Posted by Rich:

Curry plays a post up game. No one currently on the Knicks does except Sweetney who is 6'8".
Q has a nice post game and from what I've heard Frye does too

Can you run the half court offense through either of them because they can command a double team in the post and then pass out? I doubt it.
If they single Frye in the post he will score or hit an open cutter.
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6/30/2005  12:38 AM
The Knicks should look into using more of a high post offense a la Sacramento. I think Frye would fit that style better b/c I don't believe he has the strength to consistently get good position down low (at least from what I've seen of him on the college level). A good high post motion offense will allow him to play to his strengths (i.e. all around fundamental skills) and would work with the players we have on offense. Essentially, we could use Frye like Brad Miller.

If we're gonna get up and down the court all the time, Gadzuric would be an awesome fit..
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6/30/2005  12:44 AM
I want Gadzuric, too. I think you're underestimating Frye's strength. He can push people around. That said, moving him high and low would create problems for the other team.
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6/30/2005  12:46 AM
Gadz would be a nice pick up, and maybe a great obe if we indeed play that uptempo game. But it would be also nice to get a C that is strong enough to defend there. Hunter looks strong. James looks better than before, but he has yet to prove something during a whole season...
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6/30/2005  12:50 AM
I hate Damps and really don't want a part of his long term, underachiving game...but that being said he is ridiculously strong and can defend the post. If we could dump two bad contracts...Rose and Taylor, for say Dampier and Abdul-Wahad (he has 2 years left at a lower salary than Taylor), would you do it?
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6/30/2005  12:53 AM
Posted by VDesai:

I hate Damps and really don't want a part of his long term, underachiving game...but that being said he is ridiculously strong and can defend the post. If we could dump two bad contracts...Rose and Taylor, for say Dampier and Abdul-Wahad (he has 2 years left at a lower salary than Taylor), would you do it?
Don't you think he's gonna breakdown, and even if he's healthy wouldn't be able to run the floor with the rest of the team, leaving us really vulnerable to 5 on 4's on D and 4 on 5's on O?
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6/30/2005  12:56 AM
Posted by PhilinLA:
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I hate Damps and really don't want a part of his long term, underachiving game...but that being said he is ridiculously strong and can defend the post. If we could dump two bad contracts...Rose and Taylor, for say Dampier and Abdul-Wahad (he has 2 years left at a lower salary than Taylor), would you do it?
Don't you think he's gonna breakdown, and even if he's healthy wouldn't be able to run the floor with the rest of the team, leaving us really vulnerable to 5 on 4's on D and 4 on 5's on O?

I don't really want him, and he'll break down in a few years for sure. But he can run a little and play some halfcourt D when teams want to grind it out against us. Still I'm not sure I would do that deal, but if we can dump some power forwards and bad contracts its worth considering at the very least.

SOmeone mentioned Gasol in another thread, and there's a definite chance he could be the other 7 footer too. Zeke's been trying to acquire him with no luck, but I think he's only been offering Penny...
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6/30/2005  1:04 AM
Guys like Walker, Dampier, Big Z, and Szcerviak were on Isiah's radar because back then he saw the Knicks as a team that could contend in the East. Once that ilussion died, he realized that this team had to be rebuilded with the right mentality and young players. I think that those players are no longer on Isiah's radar...
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6/30/2005  1:06 AM
Dampier dogs it for 70 games.

Z does not fit the Knicks up tempo style of play.
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6/30/2005  1:08 AM
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by PhilinLA:
Posted by VDesai:

I hate Damps and really don't want a part of his long term, underachiving game...but that being said he is ridiculously strong and can defend the post. If we could dump two bad contracts...Rose and Taylor, for say Dampier and Abdul-Wahad (he has 2 years left at a lower salary than Taylor), would you do it?
Don't you think he's gonna breakdown, and even if he's healthy wouldn't be able to run the floor with the rest of the team, leaving us really vulnerable to 5 on 4's on D and 4 on 5's on O?

I don't really want him, and he'll break down in a few years for sure. But he can run a little and play some halfcourt D when teams want to grind it out against us. Still I'm not sure I would do that deal, but if we can dump some power forwards and bad contracts its worth considering at the very least.

SOmeone mentioned Gasol in another thread, and there's a definite chance he could be the other 7 footer too. Zeke's been trying to acquire him with no luck, but I think he's only been offering Penny...
I'd prefer Gasol. Damps was already breaking down this year.
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6/30/2005  1:11 AM
Maybe there's another guy we haven't thought about him and that will be Isiah's guy. But who?
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6/30/2005  1:34 AM
Gasol is the ideal get. Let's see if Zeke can put together the right pieces.
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6/30/2005  1:37 AM
Posted by VDesai:

Gasol is the ideal get. Let's see if Zeke can put together the right pieces.

As a Center? Well....
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6/30/2005  1:38 AM
If people here have a hard time seeing Frye as a center, what about Pau? I don't know about him as a C for us...
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6/30/2005  1:41 AM
He can play a little center at 7 ft 240, but can also play as a PF next to Frye and is a decent shotblocker. I wonder what position is most ideal for Pau, but I think you can get away with him as the 7 footer on the court with a guy like Malik Rose or Sweetney next to him.
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6/30/2005  1:46 AM
I think his ideal position is PF. Look at his weight. He would have to add up many weight, and that would be against the style of play he has, the one he is effective with...
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6/30/2005  1:54 AM
Posted by Knicksfan:

I think his ideal position is PF. Look at his weight. He would have to add up many weight, and that would be against the style of play he has, the one he is effective with...

The idea is that he has good length and can block shots from the weakside (averages 1.8 blocks per game for his career). He can also post up a little and goes to the line a lot. He wouldn't be a traditional center, but he can do things out there that you would normally ask of your center. And if you needed to guard a big guy in the post, you bring on someone with a strong base like Rose or Sweetney. A lineup like this wouldn't necessarily have a traditional center out there, but at least you could duplicate a center's production as far as blocking shots and having an inside scoring presence.

Meanwhile Gasol would be athletic enough to play at the tempo we want to play and offers an alternative solution to other guys who have majro flaws like Curry (heart ailment, poor rebounder/shotblocker), Brown (total underachiver), Zydrunas (old, slow, possible injury risk), Jerome James (major underachiever, can be overweight), Dampier (grossly overpaid, major underachiever).
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6/30/2005  7:52 AM
Posted by TheloniusMonk:
Posted by VDesai:
Posted by PhilinLA:

With Mo Taylor, Tim Thomas and Sweetney on the roster, can we afford another lazy player?

Probably not, which is why I'm hoping its not James he's talking about.

No to James. He's not really all the coordinated and he fouls a lot.

Reguardless we need one more center for our rotation. My WISH list goes in this order:

Dalembert
Curry
Hutner = Brown
Gadz
did you watch the seattle series vs. San antone? James was AMAZING. BETTER THAN DUNCAN. James should get a contract filled with incentives. I dont understand why more NBA contracts are not heavily incentive based.

like 4 million base
4.5 million if team wins 40 games
6 million if team gets to playoffs + plus playoff money
8 million if team gets to Conference Finals
10 million if team gets to Finals

James would top my list. Huge 7 footer with serious game when motivated - Can be Gazy, but outplayed Tim Duncan (who might have been injured but still)

Then Curry - although he is Gazy - no desire for defense. tons of skill

Then Dalembert - not as much skill, really skinny, could be a Mutombo

Then Brown - real gazy - Gazy the definition, Tim Thomas Part II, potential is there, can play 3, 4, 5. Small hands. Dumb.

Then Gadz - used to being a starter at Center. Reached his potential. Plays hard but not the greatest talent, would not push this team anywhere.

Then Hunter - also Gazy, but whatever, he's the last option, never a starter, Magic had to cut this guy...
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6/30/2005  7:55 AM
Posted by JesseDark:

I would like to see James brought in cause he was just nasty in the playoffs. If he plays like that all the time he better than the other dudes hands downn.
yeah, James was Maddd sick!
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