3G4G wrote:Golden State should be up 2 games but they got 1 of them....

Young Team On The Rise.....Building Your Team Through the Lottery has it's benefits and if done right it doesn't take took long.

Your shining lottery picks delivered them to the playoffs all by themselves?
You obviously need a mix.

jrodmc wrote:

3G4G wrote:Golden State should be up 2 games but they got 1 of them....

Young Team On The Rise.....Building Your Team Through the Lottery has it's benefits and if done right it doesn't take took long.

I forget, when did GS draft David Lee, All-Star deluxe? Bogut was drafted by who, again? Or they don't count right?

Your shining lottery picks delivered them to the playoffs all by themselves?
You obviously need a mix.

Nah, blow it up and start from scratch!

3G4G wrote:Golden State should be up 2 games but they got 1 of them....

Young Team On The Rise.....Building Your Team Through the Lottery has it's benefits and if done right it doesn't take took long.

no it doesn't....But it takes a good front office, good ownership and a quality set of players.. so far GS is on track to be very good for a long time..

ONly starter a free agent was Dlee.

Nalod wrote:When you trade drafted players for others, its assets used, and those assets come from the draft. Monta Ellis for Bogut for example. Barnes, Thompson and cury all draftees.

ONly starter a free agent was Dlee.

Jarret Jack and Carl Landry?

AnubisADL wrote:

3G4G wrote:Golden State should be up 2 games but they got 1 of them....

Young Team On The Rise.....Building Your Team Through the Lottery has it's benefits and if done right it doesn't take took long.

What about Cleveland? All they got was Kyrie Irving. Tristan Thompson and Dion Waiters have been meh......

Exactly. You need vets and free agents to splash the pot.

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:When you trade drafted players for others, its assets used, and those assets come from the draft. Monta Ellis for Bogut for example. Barnes, Thompson and cury all draftees.

ONly starter a free agent was Dlee.

Jarret Jack and Carl Landry?

Do they start?

ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:When you trade drafted players for others, its assets used, and those assets come from the draft. Monta Ellis for Bogut for example. Barnes, Thompson and cury all draftees.

ONly starter a free agent was Dlee.

Jarret Jack and Carl Landry?

I was just about to say Jarret Jack says hello. Carl Landry is also a major piece to the puzzle, but most importantly Mark Jackson has done a better job than expected.

This year has been amazing, but it took a long time and a lot of moves to make this work. It didn't happen over night, as some would suggest. I been a huge fan of GSW since they first got B. Davis ... and for those not aware, besides this year, they only had 1 playoff appearance in 18 years. So being a fan has not been easy at all.

So of course they received high draft picks:

Harrison Barnes - 7th
Klay thompson - 11th
Stephen Curry - 7th (complete steal)

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ChuckBuck wrote:

Nalod wrote:When you trade drafted players for others, its assets used, and those assets come from the draft. Monta Ellis for Bogut for example. Barnes, Thompson and cury all draftees.

ONly starter a free agent was Dlee.

Jarret Jack and Carl Landry?

I was just about to say Jarret Jack says hello. Carl Landry is also a major piece to the puzzle, but most importantly Mark Jackson has done a better job than expected.

This year has been amazing, but it took a long time and a lot of moves to make this work. It didn't happen over night, as some would suggest. I been a huge fan of GSW since they first got B. Davis ... and for those not aware, besides this year, they only had 1 playoff appearance in 18 years. So being a fan has not been easy at all.

So of course they received high draft picks:

Harrison Barnes - 7th
Klay thompson - 11th
Stephen Curry - 7th (complete steal)

Well put.

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CashMoney wrote:Considering Durant is in Lebron land he should be able to carry OKC over Memphis into the WCF's. He doesn't need Westbrook cus he's KEVIN DURANT the 2nd best player in the association.

Hahaha that made me laugh hard for some reason!

Everyone loves putting KD on a pedestal. Whether it's his stats, his lack of tattoo arm and neck sleeves, or his Mama's boy demeanor.

All I know if in the oft chance Melo and the Knicks were to face off against Durantula and OKC, it wouldn't be pretty for that choir boy(Melo's teams have won 11 of 12 against Durant).

were those games in the finals?

you talking about facing OKC...heck deal with indiana first.... 10-35 shooting is not going to beat anyone....

13-26 last night, try again.

sure..2013 playoff shooting % 39% boing!!

That has led us to a 62% winning percentage in the playoffs thus far.

this is the problem.. led us? really, no that didn't lead us at all.. saying that diminishes the play of guys like felton who honestly has been the best knick player, hands down, so far..

Felton is avg 16ppg, 5 dimes, 3.5 dimes and shooting 50%, yet carmelo until last night was shooting 31% LED US? this is the level of ridiculousness I am talking about around here..

The level of ridiculousness is measured by the continuation of arguing when the current facts don't bail you out, again and again.
I'm sure Felton would be the first to say his 5 dimes and 50% shooting was what leads the team. I truly doubt he's that blinded by Melo hate.

Why, I bet he even thinks the Knicks have a good chance to win a chip, or even get to the ECF!

Hey, why does the Nugget in the middle have a really nice rack? Is this some sort of veiled reference to Jason Collins?

so I get it, the 39% shooting and no assist is leading the knicks? do you really think felton would think that? felton is no fool and he is a competitor... without his play, knicks don't get past boston... you don't have to hate to understand that 31% shooting in a series is hardly what we call "leading" a team... that is homerism, plain and simple...

the difference here, you don't see me using the term "felton led the knicks" or this player.. or that player.. Honestly no knick is really shining, but I doubt anyone would dissagree that felton is clearly playing the best.. of course those involved in the hero worship would clearly disagree because in their eyes things like efficiency, defense and passing are for the birds...

Felton is hands-downs the best Knick in these playoffs so far. However, there were twice during the playoffs where Melo has stepped up during crunch time and willed us a victory ... Every freaking expert and ex-player have acknowledged this, but who really cares? We are in the semi-conference finals because of a collective effort. Not because of one person.

But no matter what Melo does, only the "bad" will be recognized by a select few. That's I respect Bonn a lot, especially since the playoffs started. You can tell he's rooting for the team, doesn't hesitate to point out when we're playing like crap but he's also consistent and balanced, and displays good basketball knowledge.

Throughout the course of the season and playoffs it's been a different player stepping up. Kind of put to bed the argument in the beginning of the season that we really weren't that deep or other teams were deeper. Just like when Felton wasn't a point guard to lead this team ... EVERYTHING that was said that we wasn't or couldn't do is being proven incorrect. So, I don't think we will be joining that picture anytime soon, at least not this round. And if we do, I'll be the first to "man up" although I'm a woman lol.

And yes, Melo shooting been off, but if i'm not mistaken you consider Paul Pierce a leader ... have you looked at his playoff shooting percentage? It's more to basketball than stats. Some players (example: J Kidd) can have a huge impact on a game with shooting 0-20 and slim to none in other categories.

I figured the paul pierce reference would come in, but here is the key and i mentioned it earlier, pierce does more than just shoot.. that is the key... tell me what does carmelo does other than shoot?

Well, since being a Knick, in the playoffs,

1. Melo has out rebounded Pierce in the last 3 years; in fact doubled his total in one season.

2. Playing better defense under woodson. I counted 3 turnover he directly caused last night. And him in pierce have been basically tied with steals the last 3 years.

3. Shooting over 90% at the line, which is important because this year he's 7th in FTA .. which means he's getting his opponent in foul trouble. Which is always a plus

4. Causes the double/triple team - When he plays the right way, and kick out, this is just as important as assist.

5. And according to Kidd ( who YOU states as being a leader) says that in the locker room and on the floor ... Melo is very vocal and leads the team, and also gave examples on when Melo either challenged woodson to let someone else shoot or how about when he asked MDA to play lin - straight from Lin's mouth that Melo actually did approach MDA.

ok, great then nothing less than a NBA championship and finals MVP will do.. right? Because pierce has been there, done that..

Papabear Says

Pierce won nothing until Garnett and Ray Allen cam to Boston.

Exactly, and this is the type of sh&t that pisses me off. I don't pretend that Melo is on Jordan, Kobe or Lebron level as far as talent, but some people do so much bashing and try to make him look like a bum or loser when in fact, throughout history it's only a few that have done it and when they did, they had a hell of a supporting cast. I'm a fan a basketball period. Been watching, playing and studying it since day one, and it's too much stat watching going on along with you have to do this or that to be great. I miss the old days when we just knew a player was good or had above average talent without all the BS.

I guess that's why some of the great players ... i.e Jordan recognizes that although Melo have his faults , he's a damn good basketball player. Only few can be productive while being the main focus on a team.

Stockton is one of the greatest guards ever along with Nash, never won a ring ... guess they won't amount to much either. SMH

Papabear Says

I agree! you see you have to do your homework on these azz holes. They will say anything and know it's not true just to put it out there. Example the Pierce statement! They out right lied about it. Coach Rivers was about to loose his job before Garnett and Allen came to Boston. they lied about Pierce record compared to Melo. I will give the Trolls credit that they can articulate with words. But what is words if they are lies. Here we are in the second round of the playoffs and they just can't stand it. They rather talk about Denver but guess what?? they are gone They rather talk about Houston and Jeremy Lin but guess what? they are gone. But guess who is still standing?? The New York Knicks.

dude you are just not that good at this..just tell me what does doc rivers losing his job have to do with the lack of production in postseason from carmelo anthony? carmelo is the reason for his failures.. period...

They rather talk about Denver but guess what?? they are gone They rather talk about Houston and Jeremy Lin but guess what? they are gone. But guess who is still standing?? The New York Knicks.

you know whats funny, this is called the other team thread.. and you are in here.. so guess what you rather talk about? LOL

Papabear Says

If it's other team thread then why is the topic of conversation about Melo. Why?? because you can't help yourself. Just wanted see what the Melo and Knick haters were up to. And as far a Melo's failures he is the face of the New York Knicks. He hasn't failed even though you wish he would. Just because you can't stand him. Just watch this series we will win and it will be because of Melo as you hide behind this thread.

ACTUALLY I was content talking about durant, you are the one brining up denver, Houston, and other topics.....

Just watch this series we will win and it will be because of Melo as you hide behind this thread.

if the knicks win, it won't be because of him... so far the knicks are winning in spite of him.. but if somehow things unfortunately don't work out.. will you hide?

In spite of him? Really?! Here's Melo's playoff team ranking YTD:

29.3 PPG #1
1.4 SPG tied for 3rd. Behind Prigs and Shump and tied with Ray
6.5 RPG #2 behind only Chandler
5.8 DRPG #1
1.9 APG #4 behind our 3 PG's Felton, Prigs and Kidd
.915 FT% #1

No doubt that Melo was in a shooting funk up until last game but it goes to show that he is 100% contributing in other ways. But his shooting percentage....blah, blah, blah.

Winning in spite of him? PLEASE!

You're wasting keystrokes and internet bandwidth. Trying to convince someone that scoring 16-18 points in lone quarters is valuable to winning is ...why am I typing this again?

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CashMoney wrote:Considering Durant is in Lebron land he should be able to carry OKC over Memphis into the WCF's. He doesn't need Westbrook cus he's KEVIN DURANT the 2nd best player in the association.

Hahaha that made me laugh hard for some reason!

Everyone loves putting KD on a pedestal. Whether it's his stats, his lack of tattoo arm and neck sleeves, or his Mama's boy demeanor.

All I know if in the oft chance Melo and the Knicks were to face off against Durantula and OKC, it wouldn't be pretty for that choir boy(Melo's teams have won 11 of 12 against Durant).

were those games in the finals?

you talking about facing OKC...heck deal with indiana first.... 10-35 shooting is not going to beat anyone....

13-26 last night, try again.

sure..2013 playoff shooting % 39% boing!!

That has led us to a 62% winning percentage in the playoffs thus far.

this is the problem.. led us? really, no that didn't lead us at all.. saying that diminishes the play of guys like felton who honestly has been the best knick player, hands down, so far..

Felton is avg 16ppg, 5 dimes, 3.5 dimes and shooting 50%, yet carmelo until last night was shooting 31% LED US? this is the level of ridiculousness I am talking about around here..

The level of ridiculousness is measured by the continuation of arguing when the current facts don't bail you out, again and again.
I'm sure Felton would be the first to say his 5 dimes and 50% shooting was what leads the team. I truly doubt he's that blinded by Melo hate.

Why, I bet he even thinks the Knicks have a good chance to win a chip, or even get to the ECF!

Hey, why does the Nugget in the middle have a really nice rack? Is this some sort of veiled reference to Jason Collins?

so I get it, the 39% shooting and no assist is leading the knicks? do you really think felton would think that? felton is no fool and he is a competitor... without his play, knicks don't get past boston... you don't have to hate to understand that 31% shooting in a series is hardly what we call "leading" a team... that is homerism, plain and simple...

the difference here, you don't see me using the term "felton led the knicks" or this player.. or that player.. Honestly no knick is really shining, but I doubt anyone would dissagree that felton is clearly playing the best.. of course those involved in the hero worship would clearly disagree because in their eyes things like efficiency, defense and passing are for the birds...

Felton is hands-downs the best Knick in these playoffs so far. However, there were twice during the playoffs where Melo has stepped up during crunch time and willed us a victory ... Every freaking expert and ex-player have acknowledged this, but who really cares? We are in the semi-conference finals because of a collective effort. Not because of one person.

But no matter what Melo does, only the "bad" will be recognized by a select few. That's I respect Bonn a lot, especially since the playoffs started. You can tell he's rooting for the team, doesn't hesitate to point out when we're playing like crap but he's also consistent and balanced, and displays good basketball knowledge.

Throughout the course of the season and playoffs it's been a different player stepping up. Kind of put to bed the argument in the beginning of the season that we really weren't that deep or other teams were deeper. Just like when Felton wasn't a point guard to lead this team ... EVERYTHING that was said that we wasn't or couldn't do is being proven incorrect. So, I don't think we will be joining that picture anytime soon, at least not this round. And if we do, I'll be the first to "man up" although I'm a woman lol.

And yes, Melo shooting been off, but if i'm not mistaken you consider Paul Pierce a leader ... have you looked at his playoff shooting percentage? It's more to basketball than stats. Some players (example: J Kidd) can have a huge impact on a game with shooting 0-20 and slim to none in other categories.

I figured the paul pierce reference would come in, but here is the key and i mentioned it earlier, pierce does more than just shoot.. that is the key... tell me what does carmelo does other than shoot?

Well, since being a Knick, in the playoffs,

1. Melo has out rebounded Pierce in the last 3 years; in fact doubled his total in one season.

2. Playing better defense under woodson. I counted 3 turnover he directly caused last night. And him in pierce have been basically tied with steals the last 3 years.

3. Shooting over 90% at the line, which is important because this year he's 7th in FTA .. which means he's getting his opponent in foul trouble. Which is always a plus

4. Causes the double/triple team - When he plays the right way, and kick out, this is just as important as assist.

5. And according to Kidd ( who YOU states as being a leader) says that in the locker room and on the floor ... Melo is very vocal and leads the team, and also gave examples on when Melo either challenged woodson to let someone else shoot or how about when he asked MDA to play lin - straight from Lin's mouth that Melo actually did approach MDA.

ok, great then nothing less than a NBA championship and finals MVP will do.. right? Because pierce has been there, done that..

Papabear Says

Pierce won nothing until Garnett and Ray Allen cam to Boston.

Exactly, and this is the type of sh&t that pisses me off. I don't pretend that Melo is on Jordan, Kobe or Lebron level as far as talent, but some people do so much bashing and try to make him look like a bum or loser when in fact, throughout history it's only a few that have done it and when they did, they had a hell of a supporting cast. I'm a fan a basketball period. Been watching, playing and studying it since day one, and it's too much stat watching going on along with you have to do this or that to be great. I miss the old days when we just knew a player was good or had above average talent without all the BS.

I guess that's why some of the great players ... i.e Jordan recognizes that although Melo have his faults , he's a damn good basketball player. Only few can be productive while being the main focus on a team.

Stockton is one of the greatest guards ever along with Nash, never won a ring ... guess they won't amount to much either. SMH

Papabear Says

I agree! you see you have to do your homework on these azz holes. They will say anything and know it's not true just to put it out there. Example the Pierce statement! They out right lied about it. Coach Rivers was about to loose his job before Garnett and Allen came to Boston. they lied about Pierce record compared to Melo. I will give the Trolls credit that they can articulate with words. But what is words if they are lies. Here we are in the second round of the playoffs and they just can't stand it. They rather talk about Denver but guess what?? they are gone They rather talk about Houston and Jeremy Lin but guess what? they are gone. But guess who is still standing?? The New York Knicks.

dude you are just not that good at this..just tell me what does doc rivers losing his job have to do with the lack of production in postseason from carmelo anthony? carmelo is the reason for his failures.. period...

They rather talk about Denver but guess what?? they are gone They rather talk about Houston and Jeremy Lin but guess what? they are gone. But guess who is still standing?? The New York Knicks.

you know whats funny, this is called the other team thread.. and you are in here.. so guess what you rather talk about? LOL

Papabear Says

If it's other team thread then why is the topic of conversation about Melo. Why?? because you can't help yourself. Just wanted see what the Melo and Knick haters were up to. And as far a Melo's failures he is the face of the New York Knicks. He hasn't failed even though you wish he would. Just because you can't stand him. Just watch this series we will win and it will be because of Melo as you hide behind this thread.

ACTUALLY I was content talking about durant, you are the one brining up denver, Houston, and other topics.....

Just watch this series we will win and it will be because of Melo as you hide behind this thread.

if the knicks win, it won't be because of him... so far the knicks are winning in spite of him.. but if somehow things unfortunately don't work out.. will you hide?

In spite of him? Really?! Here's Melo's playoff team ranking YTD:

29.3 PPG #1
1.4 SPG tied for 3rd. Behind Prigs and Shump and tied with Ray
6.5 RPG #2 behind only Chandler
5.8 DRPG #1
1.9 APG #4 behind our 3 PG's Felton, Prigs and Kidd
.915 FT% #1

No doubt that Melo was in a shooting funk up until last game but it goes to show that he is 100% contributing in other ways. But his shooting percentage....blah, blah, blah.

Winning in spite of him? PLEASE!

27 shots to get 29 points is not good.. I would hope you lead in scoring if you are taking that many shots..

39% is not good

why ignore those important aspects of the game...

No doubt that Melo was in a shooting funk up until last game but it goes to show that he is 100% contributing in other ways. But his shooting percentage....blah, blah, blah.

hey I can't determine your standards, all i can do is express mine.. if this is ok for you then cool.. just not good enough for me.. 27 shots per game is not good if you are not making them, just not a recipe for winning.. 1.9 APG? really you think that is acceptable?

I like how you list the stats and put only behind our 3pg's or only behind.. well I mean really is that suppose to hurt or help his case.. I don't know because.... it's like saying I got a 75% on my test in school.. only behind the other 18 students in a class of 20...

I mean this is reaching a bit... again, you have your standards, I have mine..

plain and simple..