Hersports85 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:hersports85 please give me a summary of the game so far, i'm in bed with my ankle elevated (turned out to be 3rd degree sprain; i can tell because of the bruising) and i can't find the remote, and the tv is on input 1 (which is my xbox input)

Oh no!! :( hope you get better.

Great game going on, right now.

Both teams are playing with a lot of intensity of both ends of the floor, which have led to a 5 techs, 1 flagrant and 2 occasions where they had to be separated.

Early, Butler is not having the same effect that he had last game on LeBron, he's dominating inside, getting to the rim even with Noah in.

Nate shot is a bit off, but causing a few double teams and starting to take it to the rim.

Both benches have came in and given good production.

I can easily see this game coming down to the 4th qt unless Lebron breaks it open.

thanks, I hope so too, I can't believe this is a series,

on the other side, Nate can just as easily break it open, you remember the 18 point burst against the nets

IronWillGiroud wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

IronWillGiroud wrote:hersports85 please give me a summary of the game so far, i'm in bed with my ankle elevated (turned out to be 3rd degree sprain; i can tell because of the bruising) and i can't find the remote, and the tv is on input 1 (which is my xbox input)

Oh no!! :( hope you get better.

Great game going on, right now.

Both teams are playing with a lot of intensity of both ends of the floor, which have led to a 5 techs, 1 flagrant and 2 occasions where they had to be separated.

Early, Butler is not having the same effect that he had last game on LeBron, he's dominating inside, getting to the rim even with Noah in.

Nate shot is a bit off, but causing a few double teams and starting to take it to the rim.

Both benches have came in and given good production.

I can easily see this game coming down to the 4th qt unless Lebron breaks it open.

thanks, I hope so too, I can't believe this is a series,

on the other side, Nate can just as easily break it open, you remember the 18 point burst against the nets

lol Nate draining 2 straight 3s since you said this.

Hersports85 wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Considering Durant is in Lebron land he should be able to carry OKC over Memphis into the WCF's. He doesn't need Westbrook cus he's KEVIN DURANT the 2nd best player in the association.

Hahaha that made me laugh hard for some reason!

Everyone loves putting KD on a pedestal. Whether it's his stats, his lack of tattoo arm and neck sleeves, or his Mama's boy demeanor.

All I know if in the oft chance Melo and the Knicks were to face off against Durantula and OKC, it wouldn't be pretty for that choir boy(Melo's teams have won 11 of 12 against Durant).

were those games in the finals?

you talking about facing OKC...heck deal with indiana first.... 10-35 shooting is not going to beat anyone....

13-26 last night, try again.

sure..2013 playoff shooting % 39% boing!!

That has led us to a 62% winning percentage in the playoffs thus far.

this is the problem.. led us? really, no that didn't lead us at all.. saying that diminishes the play of guys like felton who honestly has been the best knick player, hands down, so far..

Felton is avg 16ppg, 5 dimes, 3.5 dimes and shooting 50%, yet carmelo until last night was shooting 31% LED US? this is the level of ridiculousness I am talking about around here..

The level of ridiculousness is measured by the continuation of arguing when the current facts don't bail you out, again and again.
I'm sure Felton would be the first to say his 5 dimes and 50% shooting was what leads the team. I truly doubt he's that blinded by Melo hate.

Why, I bet he even thinks the Knicks have a good chance to win a chip, or even get to the ECF!

Hey, why does the Nugget in the middle have a really nice rack? Is this some sort of veiled reference to Jason Collins?

so I get it, the 39% shooting and no assist is leading the knicks? do you really think felton would think that? felton is no fool and he is a competitor... without his play, knicks don't get past boston... you don't have to hate to understand that 31% shooting in a series is hardly what we call "leading" a team... that is homerism, plain and simple...

the difference here, you don't see me using the term "felton led the knicks" or this player.. or that player.. Honestly no knick is really shining, but I doubt anyone would dissagree that felton is clearly playing the best.. of course those involved in the hero worship would clearly disagree because in their eyes things like efficiency, defense and passing are for the birds...

Felton is hands-downs the best Knick in these playoffs so far. However, there were twice during the playoffs where Melo has stepped up during crunch time and willed us a victory ... Every freaking expert and ex-player have acknowledged this, but who really cares? We are in the semi-conference finals because of a collective effort. Not because of one person.

But no matter what Melo does, only the "bad" will be recognized by a select few. That's I respect Bonn a lot, especially since the playoffs started. You can tell he's rooting for the team, doesn't hesitate to point out when we're playing like crap but he's also consistent and balanced, and displays good basketball knowledge.

Throughout the course of the season and playoffs it's been a different player stepping up. Kind of put to bed the argument in the beginning of the season that we really weren't that deep or other teams were deeper. Just like when Felton wasn't a point guard to lead this team ... EVERYTHING that was said that we wasn't or couldn't do is being proven incorrect. So, I don't think we will be joining that picture anytime soon, at least not this round. And if we do, I'll be the first to "man up" although I'm a woman lol.

And yes, Melo shooting been off, but if i'm not mistaken you consider Paul Pierce a leader ... have you looked at his playoff shooting percentage? It's more to basketball than stats. Some players (example: J Kidd) can have a huge impact on a game with shooting 0-20 and slim to none in other categories.

i consider pierce a leader if by "leader" we understand that you make others around you better. carmelo does not do that and pierce does. equating the two players over FG% is profoundly misleading. there has been a depth in terms of playmaking for others to pierce's game that anthony can only hope to approach.

another quality pierce possesses is guile, craft, savvy. that really isn't part of melo's dna, so he really needs a ton of help and a ton of coaching to get him to be effective.

as popovich said about ginobili the other night: "i stopped coaching him a long time ago." i am sure that coach rivers has the same view of pierce. pierce and ginobili's IQ are elite. they know exactly what to do.

woodson needs to coach melo a ton and it appears to remain a challenge.

tkf wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Considering Durant is in Lebron land he should be able to carry OKC over Memphis into the WCF's. He doesn't need Westbrook cus he's KEVIN DURANT the 2nd best player in the association.

Hahaha that made me laugh hard for some reason!

Everyone loves putting KD on a pedestal. Whether it's his stats, his lack of tattoo arm and neck sleeves, or his Mama's boy demeanor.

All I know if in the oft chance Melo and the Knicks were to face off against Durantula and OKC, it wouldn't be pretty for that choir boy(Melo's teams have won 11 of 12 against Durant).

were those games in the finals?

you talking about facing OKC...heck deal with indiana first.... 10-35 shooting is not going to beat anyone....

13-26 last night, try again.

sure..2013 playoff shooting % 39% boing!!

That has led us to a 62% winning percentage in the playoffs thus far.

this is the problem.. led us? really, no that didn't lead us at all.. saying that diminishes the play of guys like felton who honestly has been the best knick player, hands down, so far..

Felton is avg 16ppg, 5 dimes, 3.5 dimes and shooting 50%, yet carmelo until last night was shooting 31% LED US? this is the level of ridiculousness I am talking about around here..

The level of ridiculousness is measured by the continuation of arguing when the current facts don't bail you out, again and again.
I'm sure Felton would be the first to say his 5 dimes and 50% shooting was what leads the team. I truly doubt he's that blinded by Melo hate.

Why, I bet he even thinks the Knicks have a good chance to win a chip, or even get to the ECF!

Hey, why does the Nugget in the middle have a really nice rack? Is this some sort of veiled reference to Jason Collins?

so I get it, the 39% shooting and no assist is leading the knicks? do you really think felton would think that? felton is no fool and he is a competitor... without his play, knicks don't get past boston... you don't have to hate to understand that 31% shooting in a series is hardly what we call "leading" a team... that is homerism, plain and simple...

the difference here, you don't see me using the term "felton led the knicks" or this player.. or that player.. Honestly no knick is really shining, but I doubt anyone would dissagree that felton is clearly playing the best.. of course those involved in the hero worship would clearly disagree because in their eyes things like efficiency, defense and passing are for the birds...

Felton is hands-downs the best Knick in these playoffs so far. However, there were twice during the playoffs where Melo has stepped up during crunch time and willed us a victory ... Every freaking expert and ex-player have acknowledged this, but who really cares? We are in the semi-conference finals because of a collective effort. Not because of one person.

But no matter what Melo does, only the "bad" will be recognized by a select few. That's I respect Bonn a lot, especially since the playoffs started. You can tell he's rooting for the team, doesn't hesitate to point out when we're playing like crap but he's also consistent and balanced, and displays good basketball knowledge.

Throughout the course of the season and playoffs it's been a different player stepping up. Kind of put to bed the argument in the beginning of the season that we really weren't that deep or other teams were deeper. Just like when Felton wasn't a point guard to lead this team ... EVERYTHING that was said that we wasn't or couldn't do is being proven incorrect. So, I don't think we will be joining that picture anytime soon, at least not this round. And if we do, I'll be the first to "man up" although I'm a woman lol.

And yes, Melo shooting been off, but if i'm not mistaken you consider Paul Pierce a leader ... have you looked at his playoff shooting percentage? It's more to basketball than stats. Some players (example: J Kidd) can have a huge impact on a game with shooting 0-20 and slim to none in other categories.

I figured the paul pierce reference would come in, but here is the key and i mentioned it earlier, pierce does more than just shoot.. that is the key... tell me what does carmelo does other than shoot?

Well, since being a Knick, in the playoffs,

1. Melo has out rebounded Pierce in the last 3 years; in fact doubled his total in one season.

2. Playing better defense under woodson. I counted 3 turnover he directly caused last night. And him in pierce have been basically tied with steals the last 3 years.

3. Shooting over 90% at the line, which is important because this year he's 7th in FTA .. which means he's getting his opponent in foul trouble. Which is always a plus

4. Causes the double/triple team - When he plays the right way, and kick out, this is just as important as assist.

5. And according to Kidd ( who YOU states as being a leader) says that in the locker room and on the floor ... Melo is very vocal and leads the team, and also gave examples on when Melo either challenged woodson to let someone else shoot or how about when he asked MDA to play lin - straight from Lin's mouth that Melo actually did approach MDA.

ok, great then nothing less than a NBA championship and finals MVP will do.. right? Because pierce has been there, done that..

Papabear Says

Pierce won nothing until Garnett and Ray Allen cam to Boston.

Still hatin on Melo They can't help themselves. There is one thing about New York you must have thick skin to play here and Melo has that. He is a winner and if anyone don't believe it then ask every super star playing today and I bet everyone of them will have something positive to say how great Melo is. Ask the guy who played with him on the Olympics. I'll take thier opinion every time. I can't believe the same people still trolling on Melo. It's sick

Papabear wrote:

tkf wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Considering Durant is in Lebron land he should be able to carry OKC over Memphis into the WCF's. He doesn't need Westbrook cus he's KEVIN DURANT the 2nd best player in the association.

Hahaha that made me laugh hard for some reason!

Everyone loves putting KD on a pedestal. Whether it's his stats, his lack of tattoo arm and neck sleeves, or his Mama's boy demeanor.

All I know if in the oft chance Melo and the Knicks were to face off against Durantula and OKC, it wouldn't be pretty for that choir boy(Melo's teams have won 11 of 12 against Durant).

were those games in the finals?

you talking about facing OKC...heck deal with indiana first.... 10-35 shooting is not going to beat anyone....

13-26 last night, try again.

sure..2013 playoff shooting % 39% boing!!

That has led us to a 62% winning percentage in the playoffs thus far.

this is the problem.. led us? really, no that didn't lead us at all.. saying that diminishes the play of guys like felton who honestly has been the best knick player, hands down, so far..

Felton is avg 16ppg, 5 dimes, 3.5 dimes and shooting 50%, yet carmelo until last night was shooting 31% LED US? this is the level of ridiculousness I am talking about around here..

The level of ridiculousness is measured by the continuation of arguing when the current facts don't bail you out, again and again.
I'm sure Felton would be the first to say his 5 dimes and 50% shooting was what leads the team. I truly doubt he's that blinded by Melo hate.

Why, I bet he even thinks the Knicks have a good chance to win a chip, or even get to the ECF!

Hey, why does the Nugget in the middle have a really nice rack? Is this some sort of veiled reference to Jason Collins?

so I get it, the 39% shooting and no assist is leading the knicks? do you really think felton would think that? felton is no fool and he is a competitor... without his play, knicks don't get past boston... you don't have to hate to understand that 31% shooting in a series is hardly what we call "leading" a team... that is homerism, plain and simple...

the difference here, you don't see me using the term "felton led the knicks" or this player.. or that player.. Honestly no knick is really shining, but I doubt anyone would dissagree that felton is clearly playing the best.. of course those involved in the hero worship would clearly disagree because in their eyes things like efficiency, defense and passing are for the birds...

Felton is hands-downs the best Knick in these playoffs so far. However, there were twice during the playoffs where Melo has stepped up during crunch time and willed us a victory ... Every freaking expert and ex-player have acknowledged this, but who really cares? We are in the semi-conference finals because of a collective effort. Not because of one person.

But no matter what Melo does, only the "bad" will be recognized by a select few. That's I respect Bonn a lot, especially since the playoffs started. You can tell he's rooting for the team, doesn't hesitate to point out when we're playing like crap but he's also consistent and balanced, and displays good basketball knowledge.

Throughout the course of the season and playoffs it's been a different player stepping up. Kind of put to bed the argument in the beginning of the season that we really weren't that deep or other teams were deeper. Just like when Felton wasn't a point guard to lead this team ... EVERYTHING that was said that we wasn't or couldn't do is being proven incorrect. So, I don't think we will be joining that picture anytime soon, at least not this round. And if we do, I'll be the first to "man up" although I'm a woman lol.

And yes, Melo shooting been off, but if i'm not mistaken you consider Paul Pierce a leader ... have you looked at his playoff shooting percentage? It's more to basketball than stats. Some players (example: J Kidd) can have a huge impact on a game with shooting 0-20 and slim to none in other categories.

I figured the paul pierce reference would come in, but here is the key and i mentioned it earlier, pierce does more than just shoot.. that is the key... tell me what does carmelo does other than shoot?

Well, since being a Knick, in the playoffs,

1. Melo has out rebounded Pierce in the last 3 years; in fact doubled his total in one season.

2. Playing better defense under woodson. I counted 3 turnover he directly caused last night. And him in pierce have been basically tied with steals the last 3 years.

3. Shooting over 90% at the line, which is important because this year he's 7th in FTA .. which means he's getting his opponent in foul trouble. Which is always a plus

4. Causes the double/triple team - When he plays the right way, and kick out, this is just as important as assist.

5. And according to Kidd ( who YOU states as being a leader) says that in the locker room and on the floor ... Melo is very vocal and leads the team, and also gave examples on when Melo either challenged woodson to let someone else shoot or how about when he asked MDA to play lin - straight from Lin's mouth that Melo actually did approach MDA.

ok, great then nothing less than a NBA championship and finals MVP will do.. right? Because pierce has been there, done that..

Papabear Says

Pierce won nothing until Garnett and Ray Allen cam to Boston.

Exactly, and this is the type of sh&t that pisses me off. I don't pretend that Melo is on Jordan, Kobe or Lebron level as far as talent, but some people do so much bashing and try to make him look like a bum or loser when in fact, throughout history it's only a few that have done it and when they did, they had a hell of a supporting cast. I'm a fan a basketball period. Been watching, playing and studying it since day one, and it's too much stat watching going on along with you have to do this or that to be great. I miss the old days when we just knew a player was good or had above average talent without all the BS.

I guess that's why some of the great players ... i.e Jordan recognizes that although Melo have his faults , he's a damn good basketball player. Only few can be productive while being the main focus on a team.

Stockton is one of the greatest guards ever along with Nash, never won a ring ... guess they won't amount to much either. SMH

Hersports85 wrote:

Papabear wrote:

tkf wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Considering Durant is in Lebron land he should be able to carry OKC over Memphis into the WCF's. He doesn't need Westbrook cus he's KEVIN DURANT the 2nd best player in the association.

Hahaha that made me laugh hard for some reason!

Everyone loves putting KD on a pedestal. Whether it's his stats, his lack of tattoo arm and neck sleeves, or his Mama's boy demeanor.

All I know if in the oft chance Melo and the Knicks were to face off against Durantula and OKC, it wouldn't be pretty for that choir boy(Melo's teams have won 11 of 12 against Durant).

were those games in the finals?

you talking about facing OKC...heck deal with indiana first.... 10-35 shooting is not going to beat anyone....

13-26 last night, try again.

sure..2013 playoff shooting % 39% boing!!

That has led us to a 62% winning percentage in the playoffs thus far.

this is the problem.. led us? really, no that didn't lead us at all.. saying that diminishes the play of guys like felton who honestly has been the best knick player, hands down, so far..

Felton is avg 16ppg, 5 dimes, 3.5 dimes and shooting 50%, yet carmelo until last night was shooting 31% LED US? this is the level of ridiculousness I am talking about around here..

The level of ridiculousness is measured by the continuation of arguing when the current facts don't bail you out, again and again.
I'm sure Felton would be the first to say his 5 dimes and 50% shooting was what leads the team. I truly doubt he's that blinded by Melo hate.

Why, I bet he even thinks the Knicks have a good chance to win a chip, or even get to the ECF!

Hey, why does the Nugget in the middle have a really nice rack? Is this some sort of veiled reference to Jason Collins?

so I get it, the 39% shooting and no assist is leading the knicks? do you really think felton would think that? felton is no fool and he is a competitor... without his play, knicks don't get past boston... you don't have to hate to understand that 31% shooting in a series is hardly what we call "leading" a team... that is homerism, plain and simple...

the difference here, you don't see me using the term "felton led the knicks" or this player.. or that player.. Honestly no knick is really shining, but I doubt anyone would dissagree that felton is clearly playing the best.. of course those involved in the hero worship would clearly disagree because in their eyes things like efficiency, defense and passing are for the birds...

Felton is hands-downs the best Knick in these playoffs so far. However, there were twice during the playoffs where Melo has stepped up during crunch time and willed us a victory ... Every freaking expert and ex-player have acknowledged this, but who really cares? We are in the semi-conference finals because of a collective effort. Not because of one person.

But no matter what Melo does, only the "bad" will be recognized by a select few. That's I respect Bonn a lot, especially since the playoffs started. You can tell he's rooting for the team, doesn't hesitate to point out when we're playing like crap but he's also consistent and balanced, and displays good basketball knowledge.

Throughout the course of the season and playoffs it's been a different player stepping up. Kind of put to bed the argument in the beginning of the season that we really weren't that deep or other teams were deeper. Just like when Felton wasn't a point guard to lead this team ... EVERYTHING that was said that we wasn't or couldn't do is being proven incorrect. So, I don't think we will be joining that picture anytime soon, at least not this round. And if we do, I'll be the first to "man up" although I'm a woman lol.

And yes, Melo shooting been off, but if i'm not mistaken you consider Paul Pierce a leader ... have you looked at his playoff shooting percentage? It's more to basketball than stats. Some players (example: J Kidd) can have a huge impact on a game with shooting 0-20 and slim to none in other categories.

I figured the paul pierce reference would come in, but here is the key and i mentioned it earlier, pierce does more than just shoot.. that is the key... tell me what does carmelo does other than shoot?

Well, since being a Knick, in the playoffs,

1. Melo has out rebounded Pierce in the last 3 years; in fact doubled his total in one season.

2. Playing better defense under woodson. I counted 3 turnover he directly caused last night. And him in pierce have been basically tied with steals the last 3 years.

3. Shooting over 90% at the line, which is important because this year he's 7th in FTA .. which means he's getting his opponent in foul trouble. Which is always a plus

4. Causes the double/triple team - When he plays the right way, and kick out, this is just as important as assist.

5. And according to Kidd ( who YOU states as being a leader) says that in the locker room and on the floor ... Melo is very vocal and leads the team, and also gave examples on when Melo either challenged woodson to let someone else shoot or how about when he asked MDA to play lin - straight from Lin's mouth that Melo actually did approach MDA.

ok, great then nothing less than a NBA championship and finals MVP will do.. right? Because pierce has been there, done that..

Papabear Says

Pierce won nothing until Garnett and Ray Allen cam to Boston.

Exactly, and this is the type of sh&t that pisses me off. I don't pretend that Melo is on Jordan, Kobe or Lebron level as far as talent, but some people do so much bashing and try to make him look like a bum or loser when in fact, throughout history it's only a few that have done it and when they did, they had a hell of a supporting cast. I'm a fan a basketball period. Been watching, playing and studying it since day one, and it's too much stat watching going on along with you have to do this or that to be great. I miss the old days when we just knew a player was good or had above average talent without all the BS.

I guess that's why some of the great players ... i.e Jordan recognizes that although Melo have his faults , he's a damn good basketball player. Only few can be productive while being the main focus on a team.

Stockton is one of the greatest guards ever along with Nash, never won a ring ... guess they won't amount to much either. SMH

Papabear Says

I agree! you see you have to do your homework on these azz holes. They will say anything and know it's not true just to put it out there. Example the Pierce statement! They out right lied about it. Coach Rivers was about to loose his job before Garnett and Allen came to Boston. they lied about Pierce record compared to Melo. I will give the Trolls credit that they can articulate with words. But what is words if they are lies. Here we are in the second round of the playoffs and they just can't stand it. They rather talk about Denver but guess what?? they are gone They rather talk about Houston and Jeremy Lin but guess what? they are gone. But guess who is still standing?? The New York Knicks.

Hersports85 wrote:

Papabear wrote:

tkf wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

tkf wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Considering Durant is in Lebron land he should be able to carry OKC over Memphis into the WCF's. He doesn't need Westbrook cus he's KEVIN DURANT the 2nd best player in the association.

Hahaha that made me laugh hard for some reason!

Everyone loves putting KD on a pedestal. Whether it's his stats, his lack of tattoo arm and neck sleeves, or his Mama's boy demeanor.

All I know if in the oft chance Melo and the Knicks were to face off against Durantula and OKC, it wouldn't be pretty for that choir boy(Melo's teams have won 11 of 12 against Durant).

were those games in the finals?

you talking about facing OKC...heck deal with indiana first.... 10-35 shooting is not going to beat anyone....

13-26 last night, try again.

sure..2013 playoff shooting % 39% boing!!

That has led us to a 62% winning percentage in the playoffs thus far.

this is the problem.. led us? really, no that didn't lead us at all.. saying that diminishes the play of guys like felton who honestly has been the best knick player, hands down, so far..

Felton is avg 16ppg, 5 dimes, 3.5 dimes and shooting 50%, yet carmelo until last night was shooting 31% LED US? this is the level of ridiculousness I am talking about around here..

The level of ridiculousness is measured by the continuation of arguing when the current facts don't bail you out, again and again.
I'm sure Felton would be the first to say his 5 dimes and 50% shooting was what leads the team. I truly doubt he's that blinded by Melo hate.

Why, I bet he even thinks the Knicks have a good chance to win a chip, or even get to the ECF!

Hey, why does the Nugget in the middle have a really nice rack? Is this some sort of veiled reference to Jason Collins?

so I get it, the 39% shooting and no assist is leading the knicks? do you really think felton would think that? felton is no fool and he is a competitor... without his play, knicks don't get past boston... you don't have to hate to understand that 31% shooting in a series is hardly what we call "leading" a team... that is homerism, plain and simple...

the difference here, you don't see me using the term "felton led the knicks" or this player.. or that player.. Honestly no knick is really shining, but I doubt anyone would dissagree that felton is clearly playing the best.. of course those involved in the hero worship would clearly disagree because in their eyes things like efficiency, defense and passing are for the birds...

Felton is hands-downs the best Knick in these playoffs so far. However, there were twice during the playoffs where Melo has stepped up during crunch time and willed us a victory ... Every freaking expert and ex-player have acknowledged this, but who really cares? We are in the semi-conference finals because of a collective effort. Not because of one person.

But no matter what Melo does, only the "bad" will be recognized by a select few. That's I respect Bonn a lot, especially since the playoffs started. You can tell he's rooting for the team, doesn't hesitate to point out when we're playing like crap but he's also consistent and balanced, and displays good basketball knowledge.

Throughout the course of the season and playoffs it's been a different player stepping up. Kind of put to bed the argument in the beginning of the season that we really weren't that deep or other teams were deeper. Just like when Felton wasn't a point guard to lead this team ... EVERYTHING that was said that we wasn't or couldn't do is being proven incorrect. So, I don't think we will be joining that picture anytime soon, at least not this round. And if we do, I'll be the first to "man up" although I'm a woman lol.

And yes, Melo shooting been off, but if i'm not mistaken you consider Paul Pierce a leader ... have you looked at his playoff shooting percentage? It's more to basketball than stats. Some players (example: J Kidd) can have a huge impact on a game with shooting 0-20 and slim to none in other categories.

I figured the paul pierce reference would come in, but here is the key and i mentioned it earlier, pierce does more than just shoot.. that is the key... tell me what does carmelo does other than shoot?

Well, since being a Knick, in the playoffs,

1. Melo has out rebounded Pierce in the last 3 years; in fact doubled his total in one season.

2. Playing better defense under woodson. I counted 3 turnover he directly caused last night. And him in pierce have been basically tied with steals the last 3 years.

3. Shooting over 90% at the line, which is important because this year he's 7th in FTA .. which means he's getting his opponent in foul trouble. Which is always a plus

4. Causes the double/triple team - When he plays the right way, and kick out, this is just as important as assist.

5. And according to Kidd ( who YOU states as being a leader) says that in the locker room and on the floor ... Melo is very vocal and leads the team, and also gave examples on when Melo either challenged woodson to let someone else shoot or how about when he asked MDA to play lin - straight from Lin's mouth that Melo actually did approach MDA.

ok, great then nothing less than a NBA championship and finals MVP will do.. right? Because pierce has been there, done that..

Papabear Says

Pierce won nothing until Garnett and Ray Allen cam to Boston.

Exactly, and this is the type of sh&t that pisses me off. I don't pretend that Melo is on Jordan, Kobe or Lebron level as far as talent, but some people do so much bashing and try to make him look like a bum or loser when in fact, throughout history it's only a few that have done it and when they did, they had a hell of a supporting cast. I'm a fan a basketball period. Been watching, playing and studying it since day one, and it's too much stat watching going on along with you have to do this or that to be great. I miss the old days when we just knew a player was good or had above average talent without all the BS.

I guess that's why some of the great players ... i.e Jordan recognizes that although Melo have his faults , he's a damn good basketball player. Only few can be productive while being the main focus on a team.

Stockton is one of the greatest guards ever along with Nash, never won a ring ... guess they won't amount to much either. SMH

that is not true, NBA history if filled with successful players who were the focus of their team.... come on, stop it!

As far as stockton is concerned... he is a winner.. may not have a ring, but he has not struggled in postseason like carmelo has... look at his resume, the confrence finals appearances as well as finals appearances...

not every player will win a ring, even great players.. but carmelo has been less than average in post season, his record and numbers back that up.... no matter how much that may piss you off...