CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Considering Durant is in Lebron land he should be able to carry OKC over Memphis into the WCF's. He doesn't need Westbrook cus he's KEVIN DURANT the 2nd best player in the association.

Hahaha that made me laugh hard for some reason!

Everyone loves putting KD on a pedestal. Whether it's his stats, his lack of tattoo arm and neck sleeves, or his Mama's boy demeanor.

All I know if in the oft chance Melo and the Knicks were to face off against Durantula and OKC, it wouldn't be pretty for that choir boy(Melo's teams have won 11 of 12 against Durant).

were those games in the finals?

you talking about facing OKC...heck deal with indiana first.... 10-35 shooting is not going to beat anyone....

13-26 last night, try again.

sure..2013 playoff shooting % 39% boing!!

That has led us to a 62% winning percentage in the playoffs thus far.

this is the problem.. led us? really, no that didn't lead us at all.. saying that diminishes the play of guys like felton who honestly has been the best knick player, hands down, so far..

Felton is avg 16ppg, 5 dimes, 3.5 dimes and shooting 50%, yet carmelo until last night was shooting 31% LED US? this is the level of ridiculousness I am talking about around here..

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Considering Durant is in Lebron land he should be able to carry OKC over Memphis into the WCF's. He doesn't need Westbrook cus he's KEVIN DURANT the 2nd best player in the association.

Hahaha that made me laugh hard for some reason!

Everyone loves putting KD on a pedestal. Whether it's his stats, his lack of tattoo arm and neck sleeves, or his Mama's boy demeanor.

All I know if in the oft chance Melo and the Knicks were to face off against Durantula and OKC, it wouldn't be pretty for that choir boy(Melo's teams have won 11 of 12 against Durant).

were those games in the finals?

you talking about facing OKC...heck deal with indiana first.... 10-35 shooting is not going to beat anyone....

13-26 last night, try again.

sure..2013 playoff shooting % 39% boing!!

Where are your teams anyways? Denver and Houston?

GONE FISHING!!!

be ready to update that pic..

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

AnubisADL wrote:Durant loses. Efficient stat line and they still took the "L".

yea, it would have been better for him to go 10-35 smh

Not sure why you fight this, but efficient teams win, efficient players win.. humans need to breath air to live, fish need water, it is the way things are....

conely had an efficient stat line and got the "W" one efficient player beating another.. no surprise there... but had conley shot 10-35, I doubt they win....

put on your big boy pants and stop trying to convince yourself that 2+2=5

only listened to the game for the most part.

looking at the statline i noticed that okc had 19 turnovers which memphis converted to 29 points.

it's so important to take care of the ball. indiana had 21 turnovers that the knicks converted into 32 points.

i just don't get the contempt for efficiency especially since we need melo to be efficient if we are going to win anything of significance. why only last night he put up 57.6TS which is near an elite level-- not quite but very close.

it is simple Dk, typical homerism.. as I said which is never good when talking objectively.... Never have I seen a fanbase look down on efficiency to defend a player.. NEVER.... really odd..

we know winning involves more than just being efficient, but make no mistake, over the course of history those who take the most shots and shoot at an efficient rate seem to be those that have come out on top.. now you can point to some exceptions, but those guys were also good defenders and, or passers... but when all you do is shoot, you should be pretty efficient at it, or else you tend to hurt your team, especially when you are taking a lions share of the shots....

I also agree, it is important to take care of the ball, the pacers pointed that out, they needed to take care of the ball and they didn't.. plain and simple... protect the ball, play efficiently, defend and you stand a good chance to win most of your games.. isn't that the goal? I just don't get the contempt for efficiency either..

Apparently Mister Efficiency Durant didn't heed your words. He coughed up the rock 5 times and the team committed 19 turnovers.

Good thing MEE LOW only had...wait...OH, he didn't turn the ball over.

chuck I am sure you would pretty much trade everything you own to replace carmelo with Durant.. I am sure of that.. and IF we had durant, I would feel pretty good about getting past indiana...

not sure what your point is here.. Durant is a Great player, he played in the finals last year...

He is not going to be perfect every game, but what he has proven is that most games, he is superb..

trying to argue this, belittle it, show contempt for this, really is not a good look.. not sure what you are trying to get out of this..

it is somewhat equivalent to making fun of a rich guy who had one of his 10 business fail, while the other 9 are all fortune 500.. come on man.....

just say you wish you had that on this team and you are mad that we don't.. I could at least accept that honesty....

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Considering Durant is in Lebron land he should be able to carry OKC over Memphis into the WCF's. He doesn't need Westbrook cus he's KEVIN DURANT the 2nd best player in the association.

Hahaha that made me laugh hard for some reason!

Everyone loves putting KD on a pedestal. Whether it's his stats, his lack of tattoo arm and neck sleeves, or his Mama's boy demeanor.

All I know if in the oft chance Melo and the Knicks were to face off against Durantula and OKC, it wouldn't be pretty for that choir boy(Melo's teams have won 11 of 12 against Durant).

were those games in the finals?

you talking about facing OKC...heck deal with indiana first.... 10-35 shooting is not going to beat anyone....

13-26 last night, try again.

sure..2013 playoff shooting % 39% boing!!

Where are your teams anyways? Denver and Houston?

GONE FISHING!!!

be ready to update that pic..

SMH!

NUPE wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Considering Durant is in Lebron land he should be able to carry OKC over Memphis into the WCF's. He doesn't need Westbrook cus he's KEVIN DURANT the 2nd best player in the association.

Hahaha that made me laugh hard for some reason!

Everyone loves putting KD on a pedestal. Whether it's his stats, his lack of tattoo arm and neck sleeves, or his Mama's boy demeanor.

All I know if in the oft chance Melo and the Knicks were to face off against Durantula and OKC, it wouldn't be pretty for that choir boy(Melo's teams have won 11 of 12 against Durant).

were those games in the finals?

you talking about facing OKC...heck deal with indiana first.... 10-35 shooting is not going to beat anyone....

13-26 last night, try again.

sure..2013 playoff shooting % 39% boing!!

Where are your teams anyways? Denver and Houston?

GONE FISHING!!!

be ready to update that pic..

SMH!

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Considering Durant is in Lebron land he should be able to carry OKC over Memphis into the WCF's. He doesn't need Westbrook cus he's KEVIN DURANT the 2nd best player in the association.

Hahaha that made me laugh hard for some reason!

Everyone loves putting KD on a pedestal. Whether it's his stats, his lack of tattoo arm and neck sleeves, or his Mama's boy demeanor.

All I know if in the oft chance Melo and the Knicks were to face off against Durantula and OKC, it wouldn't be pretty for that choir boy(Melo's teams have won 11 of 12 against Durant).

were those games in the finals?

you talking about facing OKC...heck deal with indiana first.... 10-35 shooting is not going to beat anyone....

13-26 last night, try again.

sure..2013 playoff shooting % 39% boing!!

That has led us to a 62% winning percentage in the playoffs thus far.

this is the problem.. led us? really, no that didn't lead us at all.. saying that diminishes the play of guys like felton who honestly has been the best knick player, hands down, so far..

Felton is avg 16ppg, 5 dimes, 3.5 dimes and shooting 50%, yet carmelo until last night was shooting 31% LED US? this is the level of ridiculousness I am talking about around here..

The level of ridiculousness is measured by the continuation of arguing when the current facts don't bail you out, again and again.
I'm sure Felton would be the first to say his 5 dimes and 50% shooting was what leads the team. I truly doubt he's that blinded by Melo hate.

Why, I bet he even thinks the Knicks have a good chance to win a chip, or even get to the ECF!

Hey, why does the Nugget in the middle have a really nice rack? Is this some sort of veiled reference to Jason Collins?

so I get it, the 39% shooting and no assist is leading the knicks? do you really think felton would think that? felton is no fool and he is a competitor... without his play, knicks don't get past boston... you don't have to hate to understand that 31% shooting in a series is hardly what we call "leading" a team... that is homerism, plain and simple...

the difference here, you don't see me using the term "felton led the knicks" or this player.. or that player.. Honestly no knick is really shining, but I doubt anyone would dissagree that felton is clearly playing the best.. of course those involved in the hero worship would clearly disagree because in their eyes things like efficiency, defense and passing are for the birds...

Hersports85 wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Considering Durant is in Lebron land he should be able to carry OKC over Memphis into the WCF's. He doesn't need Westbrook cus he's KEVIN DURANT the 2nd best player in the association.

Hahaha that made me laugh hard for some reason!

Everyone loves putting KD on a pedestal. Whether it's his stats, his lack of tattoo arm and neck sleeves, or his Mama's boy demeanor.

All I know if in the oft chance Melo and the Knicks were to face off against Durantula and OKC, it wouldn't be pretty for that choir boy(Melo's teams have won 11 of 12 against Durant).

were those games in the finals?

you talking about facing OKC...heck deal with indiana first.... 10-35 shooting is not going to beat anyone....

13-26 last night, try again.

sure..2013 playoff shooting % 39% boing!!

That has led us to a 62% winning percentage in the playoffs thus far.

this is the problem.. led us? really, no that didn't lead us at all.. saying that diminishes the play of guys like felton who honestly has been the best knick player, hands down, so far..

Felton is avg 16ppg, 5 dimes, 3.5 dimes and shooting 50%, yet carmelo until last night was shooting 31% LED US? this is the level of ridiculousness I am talking about around here..

The level of ridiculousness is measured by the continuation of arguing when the current facts don't bail you out, again and again.
I'm sure Felton would be the first to say his 5 dimes and 50% shooting was what leads the team. I truly doubt he's that blinded by Melo hate.

Why, I bet he even thinks the Knicks have a good chance to win a chip, or even get to the ECF!

Hey, why does the Nugget in the middle have a really nice rack? Is this some sort of veiled reference to Jason Collins?

so I get it, the 39% shooting and no assist is leading the knicks? do you really think felton would think that? felton is no fool and he is a competitor... without his play, knicks don't get past boston... you don't have to hate to understand that 31% shooting in a series is hardly what we call "leading" a team... that is homerism, plain and simple...

the difference here, you don't see me using the term "felton led the knicks" or this player.. or that player.. Honestly no knick is really shining, but I doubt anyone would dissagree that felton is clearly playing the best.. of course those involved in the hero worship would clearly disagree because in their eyes things like efficiency, defense and passing are for the birds...

Felton is hands-downs the best Knick in these playoffs so far. However, there were twice during the playoffs where Melo has stepped up during crunch time and willed us a victory ... Every freaking expert and ex-player have acknowledged this, but who really cares? We are in the semi-conference finals because of a collective effort. Not because of one person.

But no matter what Melo does, only the "bad" will be recognized by a select few. That's I respect Bonn a lot, especially since the playoffs started. You can tell he's rooting for the team, doesn't hesitate to point out when we're playing like crap but he's also consistent and balanced, and displays good basketball knowledge.

Throughout the course of the season and playoffs it's been a different player stepping up. Kind of put to bed the argument in the beginning of the season that we really weren't that deep or other teams were deeper. Just like when Felton wasn't a point guard to lead this team ... EVERYTHING that was said that we wasn't or couldn't do is being proven incorrect. So, I don't think we will be joining that picture anytime soon, at least not this round. And if we do, I'll be the first to "man up" although I'm a woman lol.

And yes, Melo shooting been off, but if i'm not mistaken you consider Paul Pierce a leader ... have you looked at his playoff shooting percentage? It's more to basketball than stats. Some players (example: J Kidd) can have a huge impact on a game with shooting 0-20 and slim to none in other categories.

I figured the paul pierce reference would come in, but here is the key and i mentioned it earlier, pierce does more than just shoot.. that is the key... tell me what does carmelo does other than shoot?

I understand there are going to be games where you have to do what it takes to win, and you might have an inefficient shooting game.. that happens.. but the approach for a pro athlete is to be as efficient as possible... why does that seem to be an afterthought for carmelo.. that is a problem?

tkf wrote:

Hersports85 wrote:

tkf wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

tkf wrote:

CashMoney wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

tkf wrote:

ChuckBuck wrote:

CashMoney wrote:Considering Durant is in Lebron land he should be able to carry OKC over Memphis into the WCF's. He doesn't need Westbrook cus he's KEVIN DURANT the 2nd best player in the association.

Hahaha that made me laugh hard for some reason!

Everyone loves putting KD on a pedestal. Whether it's his stats, his lack of tattoo arm and neck sleeves, or his Mama's boy demeanor.

All I know if in the oft chance Melo and the Knicks were to face off against Durantula and OKC, it wouldn't be pretty for that choir boy(Melo's teams have won 11 of 12 against Durant).

were those games in the finals?

you talking about facing OKC...heck deal with indiana first.... 10-35 shooting is not going to beat anyone....

13-26 last night, try again.

sure..2013 playoff shooting % 39% boing!!

That has led us to a 62% winning percentage in the playoffs thus far.

this is the problem.. led us? really, no that didn't lead us at all.. saying that diminishes the play of guys like felton who honestly has been the best knick player, hands down, so far..

Felton is avg 16ppg, 5 dimes, 3.5 dimes and shooting 50%, yet carmelo until last night was shooting 31% LED US? this is the level of ridiculousness I am talking about around here..

The level of ridiculousness is measured by the continuation of arguing when the current facts don't bail you out, again and again.
I'm sure Felton would be the first to say his 5 dimes and 50% shooting was what leads the team. I truly doubt he's that blinded by Melo hate.

Why, I bet he even thinks the Knicks have a good chance to win a chip, or even get to the ECF!

Hey, why does the Nugget in the middle have a really nice rack? Is this some sort of veiled reference to Jason Collins?

so I get it, the 39% shooting and no assist is leading the knicks? do you really think felton would think that? felton is no fool and he is a competitor... without his play, knicks don't get past boston... you don't have to hate to understand that 31% shooting in a series is hardly what we call "leading" a team... that is homerism, plain and simple...

the difference here, you don't see me using the term "felton led the knicks" or this player.. or that player.. Honestly no knick is really shining, but I doubt anyone would dissagree that felton is clearly playing the best.. of course those involved in the hero worship would clearly disagree because in their eyes things like efficiency, defense and passing are for the birds...

Felton is hands-downs the best Knick in these playoffs so far. However, there were twice during the playoffs where Melo has stepped up during crunch time and willed us a victory ... Every freaking expert and ex-player have acknowledged this, but who really cares? We are in the semi-conference finals because of a collective effort. Not because of one person.

But no matter what Melo does, only the "bad" will be recognized by a select few. That's I respect Bonn a lot, especially since the playoffs started. You can tell he's rooting for the team, doesn't hesitate to point out when we're playing like crap but he's also consistent and balanced, and displays good basketball knowledge.

Throughout the course of the season and playoffs it's been a different player stepping up. Kind of put to bed the argument in the beginning of the season that we really weren't that deep or other teams were deeper. Just like when Felton wasn't a point guard to lead this team ... EVERYTHING that was said that we wasn't or couldn't do is being proven incorrect. So, I don't think we will be joining that picture anytime soon, at least not this round. And if we do, I'll be the first to "man up" although I'm a woman lol.

And yes, Melo shooting been off, but if i'm not mistaken you consider Paul Pierce a leader ... have you looked at his playoff shooting percentage? It's more to basketball than stats. Some players (example: J Kidd) can have a huge impact on a game with shooting 0-20 and slim to none in other categories.

I figured the paul pierce reference would come in, but here is the key and i mentioned it earlier, pierce does more than just shoot.. that is the key... tell me what does carmelo does other than shoot?

Well, since being a Knick, in the playoffs,

1. Melo has out rebounded Pierce in the last 3 years; in fact doubled his total in one season.

2. Playing better defense under woodson. I counted 3 turnover he directly caused last night. And him in pierce have been basically tied with steals the last 3 years.

3. Shooting over 90% at the line, which is important because this year he's 7th in FTA .. which means he's getting his opponent in foul trouble. Which is always a plus

4. Causes the double/triple team - When he plays the right way, and kick out, this is just as important as assist.

5. And according to Kidd ( who YOU states as being a leader) says that in the locker room and on the floor ... Melo is very vocal and leads the team, and also gave examples on when Melo either challenged woodson to let someone else shoot or how about when he asked MDA to play lin - straight from Lin's mouth that Melo actually did approach MDA.