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6/3/2022  2:46 AM
Gimme TyTy Washington… he’s young and I know that injury turned a lot of people off but he probably didn’t fully heal. This guy has the winning mentality and has nice speed and passing, a good shot and a nice little step back. Think he would be great on the Knicks. Don’t know why everyone passing on him. I don’t like Dyson I think he’s too slow don’t like Malaki he’s nothing special Sochan is okay but I don’t see star potential in him, I think TyTY will be better than any of those guys. I like Manthirin but he won’t be available, and I’d rather keep TYTy and not draft up. And save our resources for some other trade.
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6/3/2022  9:33 AM
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martin wrote:Jonathan Wasserman and his updated mock draft:

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/2956515-updated-2022-nba-mock-draft-why-teams-are-nervous-about-chet-holmgren

6. Indiana Pacers: AJ Griffin (Duke, SF, Freshman)

7. Portland Trail Blazers: Bennedict Mathurin (Arizona, SG/SF, Sophomore)

8. New Orleans Pelicans (via Lakers): Dyson Daniels (G League Ignite, PG/SG, 2003)

9. San Antonio Spurs: Johnny Davis (Wisconsin, SG, Sophomore)

10. Washington Wizards: Shaedon Sharpe (Kentucky, SG, Freshman)

11. New York Knicks: Malaki Branham (Ohio State, SG, Freshman)

12. Oklahoma City Thunder (via Clippers): Jalen Duren (Memphis, C, Freshman)

13. Charlotte Hornets: Jeremy Sochan (Baylor, PF, Freshman)

14. Cleveland Cavaliers: Ochai Agbaji (Kansas, SG/SF, Senior)

Daniels surging into top-8 mix

Teams are under the impression that the Daniels buzz is real. His draft ceiling has been said to have risen into the Nos. 4-8 range after he measured like a wing (6'7½" in shoes), recorded the combine's fastest shuttle run, put on a convincing shooting clinic at his pro day and impressed in interviews. The fact that he's so versatile and interchangeable between positions 1-4 also eliminates fit concerns with most teams.

Branham's draft range now looking like Nos. 8-14

Daniels' name is hotter, but Branham's is also trending. Not everyone is convinced, but there is still a lot of interest in the freshman who's a year younger than Johnny Davis, measured longer and was more efficient from three, the mid-range and at the rim. Teams think that he can go as high as No. 8 and that he's a better bet to go in the lottery than be on the board at No. 15.

Teams watching old film of Shaedon Sharpe

The Pistons and others are going back to the AAU tape of Sharpe, who didn't play a minute this season. He looked good at his pro day, but teams acknowledge that his athleticism and shot-making were made for the one-on-none workout, and his agency did a good job of putting Sharpe in position to showcase his strengths. Talent alone right now has him in the mix for lottery teams, including Detroit at No. 5. However, despite an enticing mix of bounce and shooting skills, the film shows a player who struggles to create going north-south and relies heavily on low-percentage dribble jumpers. Limited confidence in Sharpe's feel or ability to make teammates better could lead to teams feeling more comfortable with prospects like Murray, Griffin, Davis and Mathurin.

Bradham plays a lot like Middleton without the defense. I wouldn't mind him if Mathurin and Davis are gone but I'd go with Sochan or Agbaji in that case.

Isn’t he a bad defender?

From what I've seen yes but he is super young and has the length to be good with the proper coaching and development.

I worry that if he can’t play defense he will be stuck on the bench. Davis, Dyson, Sochan, and Mathurin just seem like they could all be Thibs guys.

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6/3/2022  11:05 AM
Stevo718 wrote:Gimme TyTy Washington… he’s young and I know that injury turned a lot of people off but he probably didn’t fully heal. This guy has the winning mentality and has nice speed and passing, a good shot and a nice little step back. Think he would be great on the Knicks. Don’t know why everyone passing on him. I don’t like Dyson I think he’s too slow don’t like Malaki he’s nothing special Sochan is okay but I don’t see star potential in him, I think TyTY will be better than any of those guys. I like Manthirin but he won’t be available, and I’d rather keep TYTy and not draft up. And save our resources for some other trade.

I know there’s not much love for TyTy in the Knicks universe, but looking at the players who are projected to be there when we pick (Sochan, Branham, Duren, Agbaji, Eason) I don’t see where any of them are any more of a sure thing or have a better looking “floor” or “ceiling” as they say. And TyTy plays the position we’ve been biotching about as long as I’ve been on this board (and longer). I hear he’s too much like Quickley but is that a bad thing?

It’s not that I’m certain about anything here and I maybe would lean towards Eason. Maybe someone falls who we really want. But if we picked TyTy I’d be good with it and excited to see how it plays out. And then get the mop for all the pants wetting.
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6/3/2022  11:56 AM
martin wrote:same

Not happening.

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6/3/2022  12:50 PM
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Stevo718 wrote:Gimme TyTy Washington… he’s young and I know that injury turned a lot of people off but he probably didn’t fully heal. This guy has the winning mentality and has nice speed and passing, a good shot and a nice little step back. Think he would be great on the Knicks. Don’t know why everyone passing on him. I don’t like Dyson I think he’s too slow don’t like Malaki he’s nothing special Sochan is okay but I don’t see star potential in him, I think TyTY will be better than any of those guys. I like Manthirin but he won’t be available, and I’d rather keep TYTy and not draft up. And save our resources for some other trade.

I know there’s not much love for TyTy in the Knicks universe, but looking at the players who are projected to be there when we pick (Sochan, Branham, Duren, Agbaji, Eason) I don’t see where any of them are any more of a sure thing or have a better looking “floor” or “ceiling” as they say. And TyTy plays the position we’ve been biotching about as long as I’ve been on this board (and longer). I hear he’s too much like Quickley but is that a bad thing?

It’s not that I’m certain about anything here and I maybe would lean towards Eason. Maybe someone falls who we really want. But if we picked TyTy I’d be good with it and excited to see how it plays out. And then get the mop for all the pants wetting.


TyTy is kinda redundant to IQ, which wouldn't be an issue if we didn't have a bunch of two guards on the roster. Im not sure Ty is a real "point," and I think there are several guys with ceilings. TyTy is probably a third guard off the bench if he reaches ceiling. The guys you mentioned (with the exception of maybe Again) have the potential to be high level starters. I'd be good with TyTy if the Knicks traded down and maximized the value of their pick. But TyTy as #11 is a reach.
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6/3/2022  1:11 PM
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Stevo718 wrote:Gimme TyTy Washington… he’s young and I know that injury turned a lot of people off but he probably didn’t fully heal. This guy has the winning mentality and has nice speed and passing, a good shot and a nice little step back. Think he would be great on the Knicks. Don’t know why everyone passing on him. I don’t like Dyson I think he’s too slow don’t like Malaki he’s nothing special Sochan is okay but I don’t see star potential in him, I think TyTY will be better than any of those guys. I like Manthirin but he won’t be available, and I’d rather keep TYTy and not draft up. And save our resources for some other trade.

I know there’s not much love for TyTy in the Knicks universe, but looking at the players who are projected to be there when we pick (Sochan, Branham, Duren, Agbaji, Eason) I don’t see where any of them are any more of a sure thing or have a better looking “floor” or “ceiling” as they say. And TyTy plays the position we’ve been biotching about as long as I’ve been on this board (and longer). I hear he’s too much like Quickley but is that a bad thing?

It’s not that I’m certain about anything here and I maybe would lean towards Eason. Maybe someone falls who we really want. But if we picked TyTy I’d be good with it and excited to see how it plays out. And then get the mop for all the pants wetting.


TyTy is kinda redundant to IQ, which wouldn't be an issue if we didn't have a bunch of two guards on the roster. Im not sure Ty is a real "point," and I think there are several guys with ceilings. TyTy is probably a third guard off the bench if he reaches ceiling. The guys you mentioned (with the exception of maybe Again) have the potential to be high level starters. I'd be good with TyTy if the Knicks traded down and maximized the value of their pick. But TyTy as #11 is a reach.

All fair points and like I said I have no certainty about this. What is our position of most need where any of these guys isn't redundant? I don't see clear separation with the prospects mentioned but hopefully our FO does.

Lastly mock draft positions are all over the place -- who will rise and fall in the next few weeks?
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6/3/2022  7:27 PM    LAST EDITED: 6/3/2022  7:27 PM
BigDaddyG wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:
Stevo718 wrote:Gimme TyTy Washington… he’s young and I know that injury turned a lot of people off but he probably didn’t fully heal. This guy has the winning mentality and has nice speed and passing, a good shot and a nice little step back. Think he would be great on the Knicks. Don’t know why everyone passing on him. I don’t like Dyson I think he’s too slow don’t like Malaki he’s nothing special Sochan is okay but I don’t see star potential in him, I think TyTY will be better than any of those guys. I like Manthirin but he won’t be available, and I’d rather keep TYTy and not draft up. And save our resources for some other trade.

I know there’s not much love for TyTy in the Knicks universe, but looking at the players who are projected to be there when we pick (Sochan, Branham, Duren, Agbaji, Eason) I don’t see where any of them are any more of a sure thing or have a better looking “floor” or “ceiling” as they say. And TyTy plays the position we’ve been biotching about as long as I’ve been on this board (and longer). I hear he’s too much like Quickley but is that a bad thing?

It’s not that I’m certain about anything here and I maybe would lean towards Eason. Maybe someone falls who we really want. But if we picked TyTy I’d be good with it and excited to see how it plays out. And then get the mop for all the pants wetting.


TyTy is kinda redundant to IQ, which wouldn't be an issue if we didn't have a bunch of two guards on the roster. Im not sure Ty is a real "point," and I think there are several guys with ceilings. TyTy is probably a third guard off the bench if he reaches ceiling. The guys you mentioned (with the exception of maybe Again) have the potential to be high level starters. I'd be good with TyTy if the Knicks traded down and maximized the value of their pick. But TyTy as #11 is a reach.

I’d rather Ty than some of the other mediocre wing players people keep drooling over. I thought the people who knew everything hated Frank- so why do they want Frank 2.0 and 3.0?


At least Ty might solve the pg problem tho I prefer Kennedy
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6/4/2022  8:11 AM
Both Deuce and Rokas look better to me on tape than TyTy tbh.
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6/4/2022  6:18 PM
my 2nd round choices

I like kennedy chandler justin lewis and bryce hamilton. Im not sure chandler or lewis will last to 42

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Philc1 wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
KnickDanger wrote:
Stevo718 wrote:Gimme TyTy Washington… he’s young and I know that injury turned a lot of people off but he probably didn’t fully heal. This guy has the winning mentality and has nice speed and passing, a good shot and a nice little step back. Think he would be great on the Knicks. Don’t know why everyone passing on him. I don’t like Dyson I think he’s too slow don’t like Malaki he’s nothing special Sochan is okay but I don’t see star potential in him, I think TyTY will be better than any of those guys. I like Manthirin but he won’t be available, and I’d rather keep TYTy and not draft up. And save our resources for some other trade.

I know there’s not much love for TyTy in the Knicks universe, but looking at the players who are projected to be there when we pick (Sochan, Branham, Duren, Agbaji, Eason) I don’t see where any of them are any more of a sure thing or have a better looking “floor” or “ceiling” as they say. And TyTy plays the position we’ve been biotching about as long as I’ve been on this board (and longer). I hear he’s too much like Quickley but is that a bad thing?

It’s not that I’m certain about anything here and I maybe would lean towards Eason. Maybe someone falls who we really want. But if we picked TyTy I’d be good with it and excited to see how it plays out. And then get the mop for all the pants wetting.


TyTy is kinda redundant to IQ, which wouldn't be an issue if we didn't have a bunch of two guards on the roster. Im not sure Ty is a real "point," and I think there are several guys with ceilings. TyTy is probably a third guard off the bench if he reaches ceiling. The guys you mentioned (with the exception of maybe Again) have the potential to be high level starters. I'd be good with TyTy if the Knicks traded down and maximized the value of their pick. But TyTy as #11 is a reach.

I’d rather Ty than some of the other mediocre wing players people keep drooling over. I thought the people who knew everything hated Frank- so why do they want Frank 2.0 and 3.0?


At least Ty might solve the pg problem tho I prefer Kennedy


You don't reach on a player just to fill a position a need. You can argue that's how the Knicks ended up with Frank in the first place. The reality is that the player the Knicks pick at 11 likely isn't going to help push them in the playoffs. TyTy is nice, but very few draft analysts have him going that high. If you like him that much, then just trade down and get another asset Also, you need to watch more Dyson tape. I don't think he's point guard, but that dude has no hesitation getting into the paint. He's a lot more aggressive than Frank was.
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If the knicks stay put at #11, there is a good chance Johnny Davis can be a possible target. A very good defender, mid range shooter. He can still develop a reliable 3pt shot. How are you guys feeling about him going to the knicks?
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Jimbo5 wrote:If the knicks stay put at #11, there is a good chance Johnny Davis can be a possible target. A very good defender, mid range shooter. He can still develop a reliable 3pt shot. How are you guys feeling about him going to the knicks?

I like Malaki over Davis because of age and upside. But there isn't a huge chasm between them IMHO and I can see a scouts having Davis or Branham based off interviews and workouts.
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Jimbo5 wrote:If the knicks stay put at #11, there is a good chance Johnny Davis can be a possible target. A very good defender, mid range shooter. He can still develop a reliable 3pt shot. How are you guys feeling about him going to the knicks?

I like Malaki over Davis because of age and upside. But there isn't a huge chasm between them IMHO and I can see a scouts having Davis or Branham based off interviews and workouts.

Davis is already a plus defender with a great motor - I'm not sure Bradham will ever become a plus defender. He's as bad as Fournier right now. Very poor effort and instincts in that area. But Bradham is a talented scorer/shooter. I'm just worried we might be looking at a Fournier/Tim Hardaway Jr. level guy at best and I hate those types.
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SergioNYK wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:If the knicks stay put at #11, there is a good chance Johnny Davis can be a possible target. A very good defender, mid range shooter. He can still develop a reliable 3pt shot. How are you guys feeling about him going to the knicks?

I like Malaki over Davis because of age and upside. But there isn't a huge chasm between them IMHO and I can see a scouts having Davis or Branham based off interviews and workouts.

Davis is already a plus defender with a great motor - I'm not sure Bradham will ever become a plus defender. He's as bad as Fournier right now. Very poor effort and instincts in that area. But Bradham is a talented scorer/shooter. I'm just worried we might be looking at a Fournier/Tim Hardaway Jr. level guy at best and I hate those types.

If you grab a Fournier/THJ level guys with the 11th pick, then you've done a good job. The team is still talent acquisition mode. A home run would be nice with this pick, but I'd take a double right now if it were guaranteed.

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BigDaddyG wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:If the knicks stay put at #11, there is a good chance Johnny Davis can be a possible target. A very good defender, mid range shooter. He can still develop a reliable 3pt shot. How are you guys feeling about him going to the knicks?

I like Malaki over Davis because of age and upside. But there isn't a huge chasm between them IMHO and I can see a scouts having Davis or Branham based off interviews and workouts.

Davis is already a plus defender with a great motor - I'm not sure Bradham will ever become a plus defender. He's as bad as Fournier right now. Very poor effort and instincts in that area. But Bradham is a talented scorer/shooter. I'm just worried we might be looking at a Fournier/Tim Hardaway Jr. level guy at best and I hate those types.

If you grab a Fournier/THJ level guys with the 11th pick, then you've done a good job. The team is still talent acquisition mode. A home run would be nice with this pick, but I'd take a double right now if it were guaranteed.

I am wondering that if Knicks find themselves in the position of being left with the likes of Johnny Davis at #11 and Branham still out there, do they go in an entirely different direction? Trade down or different type of player.

What are those 2 guys getting you that RJ and Grimes are not already doing? Not to mention having Fournier, IQ also being able to fill that role. Are they enough to separate themselves to be at the point of making a draft selection for wings worth it?

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martin wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
SergioNYK wrote:
BigDaddyG wrote:
Jimbo5 wrote:If the knicks stay put at #11, there is a good chance Johnny Davis can be a possible target. A very good defender, mid range shooter. He can still develop a reliable 3pt shot. How are you guys feeling about him going to the knicks?

I like Malaki over Davis because of age and upside. But there isn't a huge chasm between them IMHO and I can see a scouts having Davis or Branham based off interviews and workouts.

Davis is already a plus defender with a great motor - I'm not sure Bradham will ever become a plus defender. He's as bad as Fournier right now. Very poor effort and instincts in that area. But Bradham is a talented scorer/shooter. I'm just worried we might be looking at a Fournier/Tim Hardaway Jr. level guy at best and I hate those types.

If you grab a Fournier/THJ level guys with the 11th pick, then you've done a good job. The team is still talent acquisition mode. A home run would be nice with this pick, but I'd take a double right now if it were guaranteed.

I am wondering that if Knicks find themselves in the position of being left with the likes of Johnny Davis at #11 and Branham still out there, do they go in an entirely different direction? Trade down or different type of player.

What are those 2 guys getting you that RJ and Grimes are not already doing? Not to mention having Fournier, IQ also being able to fill that role. Are they enough to separate themselves to be at the point of making a draft selection for wings worth it?

I'd say Davis and Branham, in theory, would bring another level if **** creation in the midrange that's currently missing. You're right about the Knicks having a glut of two-guards, but it is what it is. I think you just have to go at BPA with the 11th pick. Sochon and Eason would make more sense if the Knicks are drafting based off need with the guys in our range. Could the Knicks trade down and still grab one of those 2? Would they happy with someone else like Dieng, Jalen Williams or even TyTy? Would Charlotte bite on a deal?

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