THREE TEAM TRADE: DETAILS:

Knicks Receive: Kyrie Irving, (Fillers – Cole Aldrich + Nemanja Bjelica)

Cavaliers Receive: Carmelo Anthony & Andrew Wiggins

Timberwolves Receive: Kevin Love (Possibly Frank Ntilikina)

This could very well be the first time in NBA history that the same players were part of a trade that sent them back to their original teams. But if there was any holdup in this deal it might be that the T-Wolves might want a draft pick thrown in considering they lost their pick in the Jimmy Butler deal and the only way they receive a pick is contingent upon how well the Oklahoma City Thunder do over the next two seasons, as the pick is 1-14 protected.

KNICKS:

This really would be the perfect scenario for the Knicks because they would get a 25-year-old stud that would get the fans pumped up again at Madison Square Garden. More importantly, New York would be able to hold onto Frank Ntilikina and keep their first round draft selection in the subsequent years – something they haven’t been able to really do until Phil Jackson arrived. Now, even if the deal meant shipping the young point guard to the T-Wolves, New York would probably have to oblige to this so that the T-Wolves got back a young prospect in return.

But if you’re New York, you suddenly have an exciting core roster of Irving, Tim Hardaway Jr., Courtney Lee, Willy Hernangomez and Kristaps Porzgingis. That won’t have Knicks fans convinced they will be playing deep into May, but if KP continues to grow into the expected superstar many NBA experts predict he’ll become, New York might be one more good draft pick away from being the next young, up-and-coming team. Lastly, don’t forget that Lee’s contract could net back some prospects or a pick and Bjelica's contract is nearly $4 million expiring along with $3.7 million the Knicks would be recouping in the proposed deal. However, Noah’s deal would continue to haunt the Knicks, unless they used the stretch provision on him which could free up enough money to potentially go after a free agent next season along with adding another potential impact rookie.

CAVALIERS:

How do the Cavs say no to this deal? It all depends on Carmelo Anthony of course, but Cleveland immediately replaces the scoring of Kyrie Irving and Kevin Love with Anthony and Wiggins and become a better team to match up against the Golden State Warriors — assuming, of course, there were to be another NBA Finals matchup.

And this is all without mentioning Derrick Rose dropped 18 points per game last year. If – which of course is a huge risk – Rose could put together a good season, the Cavs would be looking at a lineup of Rose, Andrew Wiggins, LeBron James, Carmelo Anthony and Tristan Thompson. The bench becomes even deeper with J.R. Smith, Iman Shumpert, Kyle Korver, Jeff Green, Jose Calderon and Channing Frye.

And lastly, the Cavs would actually be set up somewhat alright if Rose, Carmelo and LeBron were to leave following the season because they’d have their young building block in Andrew Wiggins still there, in addition to owning their pick if it was between 1-10 in 2019. So theoretically the Cavs would have their 2018 pick – probably in the late 20s, along with a potential high lottery pick in 2019.

I think most Cavs fans would go all-in next season with Carmelo and Wiggins – who would seem like the perfect player to defend Kevin Durant, rather than not having them at all.

TIMBERWOLVES:

The T-Wolves would be bringing back a familiar face in Kevin Love – who had several monster seasons for the T-Wolves. Love would seemingly be the perfect fit to play alongside Karl-Anthony Towns. Love can help with the boards, stretch the floor, bring an additional winning pedigree he’s experienced playing in Cleveland and become a legit third banana to Towns and Butler.

If Minnesota was able to also land Knicks rookie Frank Ntilikina, he could be used as a trade chip seeing that the T’Wolves have a capable backup point-guard in Tyus Jones. Shabazz Muhammad really came into his own last year and the team could benefit with him returning off the bench for the second unit.

Coach Thibs loves defenders and while Ntilikina is just a rookie, he has the length to play both positions in the future while Teague holds down the point guard spot right now.

Paying Love – who’s in his prime, $22.6 million over the next three seasons and will also help the spacing for stars Butler and Towns to have lanes — might be a better decision than signing Wiggins to a monster max deal. Remember, Wiggins is a suspect outside shooter whereas teams will be forced to defend Love on the perimeter and not be in the gaps helping out.

Seriously, which team says no to this proposed deal?

joec32033 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I'm relaxed about this because it ain't going to happen- melo won't agree to it because it would mean him either staying on a cavs team with no lebron or opting out of his last year and losing his bird rights.

Ironically, Melo will protect us from repeating the same mistake we made when we got him.

Nah don't do that. Memo ain't doing us any favors.... him only wanting to go to Houston and they expecting us to take back Ryan Anderson or Harkless and company is worse than the trade we did to get Melo.... Giving up old Melo and a draft pick for 25 year old Kyrie is the better deal for us.

It wouldn't be old Melo and a draft pick though- it would be old melo, Frank and probably 2 first round draft picks or at least one and a swap (which is almost as bad, as the Eddy Curry trade showed)

Eddy Curry and Kyrie are not comparable.

Obviously he's not saying the players are comparable. He's saying the deals would be equally crippling. When you consider that Kyrie might be on a $200 mil contract soon, I think he's right.

You got no production from Curry. You would get alot of production from Irving. Totally different situation.

Bonn1997 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I'm relaxed about this because it ain't going to happen- melo won't agree to it because it would mean him either staying on a cavs team with no lebron or opting out of his last year and losing his bird rights.

Ironically, Melo will protect us from repeating the same mistake we made when we got him.

Nah don't do that. Memo ain't doing us any favors.... him only wanting to go to Houston and they expecting us to take back Ryan Anderson or Harkless and company is worse than the trade we did to get Melo.... Giving up old Melo and a draft pick for 25 year old Kyrie is the better deal for us.

It wouldn't be old Melo and a draft pick though- it would be old melo, Frank and probably 2 first round draft picks or at least one and a swap (which is almost as bad, as the Eddy Curry trade showed)

Eddy Curry and Kyrie are not comparable.

Obviously he's not saying the players are comparable. He's saying the deals would be equally crippling. When you consider that Kyrie might be on a $200 mil contract soon, I think he's right.

joec32033 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I'm relaxed about this because it ain't going to happen- melo won't agree to it because it would mean him either staying on a cavs team with no lebron or opting out of his last year and losing his bird rights.

Ironically, Melo will protect us from repeating the same mistake we made when we got him.

Nah don't do that. Memo ain't doing us any favors.... him only wanting to go to Houston and they expecting us to take back Ryan Anderson or Harkless and company is worse than the trade we did to get Melo.... Giving up old Melo and a draft pick for 25 year old Kyrie is the better deal for us.

It wouldn't be old Melo and a draft pick though- it would be old melo, Frank and probably 2 first round draft picks or at least one and a swap (which is almost as bad, as the Eddy Curry trade showed)

Eddy Curry and Kyrie are not comparable.

Obviously he's not saying the players are comparable. He's saying the deals would be equally crippling. When you consider that Kyrie might be on a $200 mil contract soon, I think he's right.

You got no production from Curry. You would get alot of production from Irving. Totally different situation.

The player production part was not the element that he was saying was analogous. The crippling overpaying is. Two separate issues. What we gave Curry was like paying $500K for a house worth $50K. If we're giving up lottery picks and giving Curry the super max soon, it's like paying 10 mil for a house worth $1 mil. Same concept - Just drastically different proportions.

GustavBahler wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I'm relaxed about this because it ain't going to happen- melo won't agree to it because it would mean him either staying on a cavs team with no lebron or opting out of his last year and losing his bird rights.

Ironically, Melo will protect us from repeating the same mistake we made when we got him.

Nah don't do that. Memo ain't doing us any favors.... him only wanting to go to Houston and they expecting us to take back Ryan Anderson or Harkless and company is worse than the trade we did to get Melo.... Giving up old Melo and a draft pick for 25 year old Kyrie is the better deal for us.

It wouldn't be old Melo and a draft pick though- it would be old melo, Frank and probably 2 first round draft picks or at least one and a swap (which is almost as bad, as the Eddy Curry trade showed)

Eddy Curry and Kyrie are not comparable.

Obviously he's not saying the players are comparable. He's saying the deals would be equally crippling. When you consider that Kyrie might be on a $200 mil contract soon, I think he's right.

I disagree. "equally crippling" would cover the lack of production as well. In two years Irving might be worth a max deal. Two years to become a better defender.

If the Knicks want to contend they're going to have to pay players worthy of a max contract. Having KP and Kyrie's deal expiring at the same time might work to the Knicks advantage. Perry might be able to make a case that they both tailor their contracts to add an FA who might make them legit contenders. Kyrie and KP could be one hell of a tandem. I hope the Knicks can make it happen.

Bonn1997 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I'm relaxed about this because it ain't going to happen- melo won't agree to it because it would mean him either staying on a cavs team with no lebron or opting out of his last year and losing his bird rights.

Ironically, Melo will protect us from repeating the same mistake we made when we got him.

Nah don't do that. Memo ain't doing us any favors.... him only wanting to go to Houston and they expecting us to take back Ryan Anderson or Harkless and company is worse than the trade we did to get Melo.... Giving up old Melo and a draft pick for 25 year old Kyrie is the better deal for us.

It wouldn't be old Melo and a draft pick though- it would be old melo, Frank and probably 2 first round draft picks or at least one and a swap (which is almost as bad, as the Eddy Curry trade showed)

Eddy Curry and Kyrie are not comparable.

Obviously he's not saying the players are comparable. He's saying the deals would be equally crippling. When you consider that Kyrie might be on a $200 mil contract soon, I think he's right.

You got no production from Curry. You would get alot of production from Irving. Totally different situation.

The player production part was not the element that he was saying was analogous. The crippling overpaying is. Two separate issues. What we gave Curry was like paying $500K for a house worth $50K. If we're giving up lottery picks and giving Curry the super max soon, it's like paying 10 mil for a house worth $1 mil. Same concept - Just drastically different proportions.

Player production has to be the issue in regards to pay. Curry was paying a million for a 50k hut. Paying Kyrie, who already has proven he will perform, is like paying for the first house in a growing affluent neighborhood. His price may go up, it may stay the same, but it would take a total catastrophic failure for it to go down.

Bonn1997 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I'm relaxed about this because it ain't going to happen- melo won't agree to it because it would mean him either staying on a cavs team with no lebron or opting out of his last year and losing his bird rights.

Ironically, Melo will protect us from repeating the same mistake we made when we got him.

Nah don't do that. Memo ain't doing us any favors.... him only wanting to go to Houston and they expecting us to take back Ryan Anderson or Harkless and company is worse than the trade we did to get Melo.... Giving up old Melo and a draft pick for 25 year old Kyrie is the better deal for us.

It wouldn't be old Melo and a draft pick though- it would be old melo, Frank and probably 2 first round draft picks or at least one and a swap (which is almost as bad, as the Eddy Curry trade showed)

Eddy Curry and Kyrie are not comparable.

Obviously he's not saying the players are comparable. He's saying the deals would be equally crippling. When you consider that Kyrie might be on a $200 mil contract soon, I think he's right.

You got no production from Curry. You would get alot of production from Irving. Totally different situation.

The player production part was not the element that he was saying was analogous. The crippling overpaying is. Two separate issues. What we gave Curry was like paying $500K for a house worth $50K. If we're giving up lottery picks and giving Curry the super max soon, it's like paying 10 mil for a house worth $1 mil. Same concept - Just drastically different proportions.

Player production has to be the issue in regards to pay. Curry was paying a million for a 50k hut. Paying Kyrie, who already has proven he will perform, is like paying for the first house in a growing affluent neighborhood. His price may go up, it may stay the same, but it would take a total catastrophic failure for it to go down.

Hmmmm the his next contract will run from years 9 to 13 of his career and he's heavily dependent on athleticism. (And not many people get better once they stop playing with LeBron.) I don't see it as a stretch that things will go down. I know people like to fantasize that he's young and going to improve. But his career has been mostly a flat line for 6 years. No one knows what will happen. I think the most likely scenario is it stays flat for a bit and then goes down.

Bonn, the dude is 25.. are you really saying that is now too old?

Bonn1997 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I'm relaxed about this because it ain't going to happen- melo won't agree to it because it would mean him either staying on a cavs team with no lebron or opting out of his last year and losing his bird rights.

Ironically, Melo will protect us from repeating the same mistake we made when we got him.

Nah don't do that. Memo ain't doing us any favors.... him only wanting to go to Houston and they expecting us to take back Ryan Anderson or Harkless and company is worse than the trade we did to get Melo.... Giving up old Melo and a draft pick for 25 year old Kyrie is the better deal for us.

It wouldn't be old Melo and a draft pick though- it would be old melo, Frank and probably 2 first round draft picks or at least one and a swap (which is almost as bad, as the Eddy Curry trade showed)

Eddy Curry and Kyrie are not comparable.

Obviously he's not saying the players are comparable. He's saying the deals would be equally crippling. When you consider that Kyrie might be on a $200 mil contract soon, I think he's right.

You got no production from Curry. You would get alot of production from Irving. Totally different situation.

The player production part was not the element that he was saying was analogous. The crippling overpaying is. Two separate issues. What we gave Curry was like paying $500K for a house worth $50K. If we're giving up lottery picks and giving Curry the super max soon, it's like paying 10 mil for a house worth $1 mil. Same concept - Just drastically different proportions.

Player production has to be the issue in regards to pay. Curry was paying a million for a 50k hut. Paying Kyrie, who already has proven he will perform, is like paying for the first house in a growing affluent neighborhood. His price may go up, it may stay the same, but it would take a total catastrophic failure for it to go down.

Hmmmm the his next contract will run from years 9 to 13 of his career and he's heavily dependent on athleticism. (And not many people get better once they stop playing with LeBron.) I don't see it as a stretch that things will go down. I know people like to fantasize that he's young and going to improve. But his career has been mostly a flat line for 6 years. No one knows what will happen. I think the most likely scenario is it stays flat for a bit and then goes down.

Bonn, the dude is 25.. are you really saying that is now too old?

Most people don't like to think this but statistically most players peak between 25 and 27 (depending on which metric you use). Then they stay flat for a while and have steep decline around age 30. That's the approximate norm though there are obviously exceptions.
Anyway, too old for what? I don't know exactly what you're asking. Too old to give up lottery picks for and in 2 years, a 5 year supermax or near supermax contract? Too old to assume there will be a sudden improvement after 6 years of a flat line in his career? Too old to even be in the league? It depends on what the question is.

Kyrie is one of the FEW NBA PG's with legit impact talent. All you can do is HOPE that a kid we draft will one day develop into that kind of player. The LOGIC of going after Kyrie is that odds are AGAINST drafting a similar or better player!!! Knicks simply looking at cashing in on HOPE for a 25 yr old sure thing. That's not bad logic when you're pairing a kid like Kyrie with KP, THJ, Willy etc. It makes the rest of your team building just that much simpler going forward. You have a starting Front and Backcourt at a similar age range.

Hollinger Stats - Player Efficiency Rating - Qualified Point Guards
RK	PLAYER	                GP	MPG	TS%	AST	TO	USG	ORR	DRR	REBR	PER	VA	EWA
1	Russell Westbrook, OKC	81	34.6	.554	23.4	12.2	42.5	5.4	28.8	17.1	30.70	823.7	27.5
2	Isaiah Thomas, BOS	76	33.8	.625	18.5	8.7	32.8	1.9	7.0	4.4	26.59	597.9	19.9
3	Chris Paul, LAC	        61	31.5	.614	35.0	9.1	25.8	2.4	14.9	8.8	26.25	437.3	14.6
4	Stephen Curry, GS	79	33.4	.624	22.2	10.1	29.5	2.7	11.4	7.3	24.74	541.1	18.0
5	Damian Lillard, POR	75	35.9	.586	18.6	8.3	30.7	1.9	13.3	7.6	24.15	528.7	17.6
6	John Wall, WSH	        78	36.4	.541	29.5	11.4	31.7	2.4	10.6	6.5	23.28	519.7	17.3
7	Mike Conley, MEM	69	33.2	.604	24.6	8.9	26.8	1.5	10.8	6.0	23.26	419.3	14.0
8	Kyrie Irving, CLE	72	35.1	.580	19.3	8.3	29.9	2.3	7.5	5.0	23.09	455.6	15.2
9	Kyle Lowry, TOR	        60	37.4	.623	25.0	10.4	25.2	2.4	12.0	7.2	22.92	399.1	13.3
10	Kemba Walker, CHA	79	34.7	.569	19.6	7.6	28.3	1.8	10.6	6.2	21.41	425.4	14.2
RK	PLAYER	GP	MPG	TS%	AST	TO	USG	ORR	DRR	REBR	PER	VA	EWA
11	Eric Bledsoe, PHX	66	33.0	.563	22.3	11.9	28.2	2.5	13.8	8.0	20.56	310.5	10.3
12	Goran Dragic, MIA	73	33.7	.575	22.0	11.0	27.0	2.8	9.9	6.3	19.84	324.3	10.8
13	George Hill, UTAH	49	31.5	.599	20.8	8.7	23.1	1.8	10.5	6.2	19.38	193.0	6.4
14	Jeremy Lin, BKN	        36	24.5	.566	25.1	11.7	26.3	1.3	14.7	8.1	19.33	109.8	3.7
15	Jeff Teague, IND	82	32.4	.574	32.8	11.1	23.0	1.4	12.4	7.0	19.24	326.6	10.9
16	J.J. Barea, DAL	        35	22.0	.521	31.1	10.1	26.8	1.3	11.9	6.3	17.26	72.0	2.4
17	Elfrid Payton, ORL	82	29.4	.520	30.9	10.4	22.5	3.9	13.9	8.7	17.25	225.1	7.5
18	Jrue Holiday, NO	67	32.7	.532	29.6	11.8	23.8	2.2	10.6	6.4	17.19	202.4	6.7
19	Derrick Rose, NY	64	32.5	.530	18.6	9.7	25.6	3.4	9.3	6.4	17.05	188.0	6.3
20	Ricky Rubio, MIN	75	32.9	.539	41.3	11.8	19.7	3.2	11.4	7.2	16.87	216.1	7.2

joec32033 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

joec32033 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

EnySpree wrote:

smackeddog wrote:I'm relaxed about this because it ain't going to happen- melo won't agree to it because it would mean him either staying on a cavs team with no lebron or opting out of his last year and losing his bird rights.

Ironically, Melo will protect us from repeating the same mistake we made when we got him.

Nah don't do that. Memo ain't doing us any favors.... him only wanting to go to Houston and they expecting us to take back Ryan Anderson or Harkless and company is worse than the trade we did to get Melo.... Giving up old Melo and a draft pick for 25 year old Kyrie is the better deal for us.

It wouldn't be old Melo and a draft pick though- it would be old melo, Frank and probably 2 first round draft picks or at least one and a swap (which is almost as bad, as the Eddy Curry trade showed)

Eddy Curry and Kyrie are not comparable.

Obviously he's not saying the players are comparable. He's saying the deals would be equally crippling. When you consider that Kyrie might be on a $200 mil contract soon, I think he's right.

You got no production from Curry. You would get alot of production from Irving. Totally different situation.

The player production part was not the element that he was saying was analogous. The crippling overpaying is. Two separate issues. What we gave Curry was like paying $500K for a house worth $50K. If we're giving up lottery picks and giving Curry the super max soon, it's like paying 10 mil for a house worth $1 mil. Same concept - Just drastically different proportions.

Player production has to be the issue in regards to pay. Curry was paying a million for a 50k hut. Paying Kyrie, who already has proven he will perform, is like paying for the first house in a growing affluent neighborhood. His price may go up, it may stay the same, but it would take a total catastrophic failure for it to go down.

This is the Knicks, if you look at the data total catastrophic failure is what we do, we are good at it. You guys are overvaluing what he does which is basically score.