misterearl wrote:Did he say subgroup?

WaltLongmire wrote:From the "Know Your Enemy" department,,,

Rep. Steve King (R-IA) on Monday challenged the other participants on an MSNBC panel to name a "subgroup" that contributed more to civilization than white people.

That smoking hot take came moments after Esquire writer Charles Pierce declared that the 2016 Republican National Convention would be the last time "old white people" would command the attention of the Republican Party.

"This whole business does get a little tired, Charlie," King said. "I would ask you to go back through history and figure out where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people that you are talking about, where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?"

"Than white people?" MSNBC host Chris Hayes interjected.

"Than—than western civilization itself that's rooted in western Europe, eastern Europe and the United States of America, and every place where christianity settled the world," King said. "That's all of western civilization."

"But what about Africa, what about Asia?" reporter April Ryan asked.

Everyone on the panel then began furiously speaking over each other.

"We are not going to argue the history of civilization," Hayes said, trying to get the segment back on track.

"Let's argue the history of this country, okay?" Ryan said.

Amen.

mister earl you have reading/listening challenges. this tool didn't mean "sub-group" in the way you want it to mean. he simply meant that, among the different civilizations/ethnicities, the white european subgroup has contributed more than others. again, the phrase was "any OTHER subgroup." now you can take issue with his touting white europeans over others, but he wasn't being overtly racist.

in any case, the founding fathers took great care and went to great lengths to learn from europe, including the greeks and the romans, as they tried to learn from history's mistakes. the biggest mistakes being religion and monarchy vis a vis governance, power, and values.

WaltLongmire wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:White woman plagiarizes from black woman...another example of white "privilege?"

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Perhaps it was done on purpose? Why? IMO, to drive home a point that although it was said 8 years ago, little has been done to support the people. Instead roadblocks have been put up that makes it harder to do what the statement intends. Less people are working in this country today since the 70s. The "progress" is a sham. As I said earlier, I feel that the mission is to bring down everyone so we can suffer together. It should be to bring UP, the ones that are down. Increase the wealth of the country. Unleash people to make a life for themselves. Educate everyone as to why it has to be that way.

Mrs. Trump III might not have understood what she was doing, but either she or her handlers made a foolish mistake that has taken over the narrative for day 1 of their convention.

Sampling might be OK in some circles...but you can't get away with what she did last night.

Seems ironic, though, that she robbed her words from the wife of the man who was a focus of their hatred last night...only second to what they feel about Ms. Clinton.

The Trump people are not saying it was plagarized, and if you take words from another like she did, you have to credit the person you took the words from...awkward in this case to credit the source, though.

They ALL do it. As I said before, I think it was purposeful. To remind everyone of what they said and how they DID NOT follow through.

WaltLongmire wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Uptown wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I think this is just a common sense answer from my own personal view point. I think its pretty simplistic. African Americans are responsible for a disproportionate amount of violent crime so the police who are in charge of that area have their "eye" on them much more so than other races. I guess from a cops point of view--he is scared or at a minimum heightened when confronted with the possibility of dealing with a higher source of danger. Remember these guys put their lives on the line every day--so you have to factor in their mindset. I think it really is as simple as that. If black people believe that white people have it out for them--my friends--you are dead wrong. White people green people yellow people--most of us have an every day responsibility of family and we are to busy to think about anything other than immediate issue. If it wasnt for what I heard on TV I probably wouldve steered clear of this thread. I believe strongly that Im a decent and honest fellow and answering questions honestly--even if they potentially offend--although im not trying to do that--is just reasonable back and forth recourse on an issue thats been getting a lot of attention. Its disturbing to hear--as a white person--what I believe is some true deep seeded hatred African Americans seem to have. I dont believe in the hood nor do I believe in excuse of race. If race was such an issue why dont Chinese people complain?

My dad died when I was 8. I went to PS 230 in Brooklyn until I was 10 and moved to a small condo in Ct with my two brothers and Mom. I shared a room with my twin brother for 18 years--two pretty big guys in a small room. I didnt have the money for special sneakers or clothes--and I lived in a town that had some money. The money I had was working a paper route that I had to get up at 6 am before school to do shuffling snow or cutting grass. When i was 15 and old enough to work I worked washing dishes at a Chinese restaurant(maybe the worst job on Earth:) I loved and played all sports--I was tall and ended up being a very decent football player. I dedicated time to work hard on my school work every day--no one told me too--my Mom worked---I took it upon myself to be aggressive and compete on my studies while putting effort into working out working--I mean I had ZERO "privilege" believe me. On top of it I was Jewish--and Ive heard my fair amount of derogatory BS--but I just dealt with it and went about my day--majority of people liked my brother and I. My goal was to play football at Syracuse and become a gym teacher or sportscaster because that is what I loved. I ended up at Uconn and had to pay for my own school and soon found out the difference between being good at sports in hS and college were two different beasts--but I played 4 years and worked hard anyway. I stayed and paid at Uconn for 6 years--all the way to an MBA. I wasnt given a penny for help from anyone in my family--I paid for myself by working in the summer. I ended up in the business side by chance--simply thats what my first roommate was there for--so I went with it as well. I got a very decent job right away in NY after graduating--yada yada 8 years later I dont have to work anymore---some luck there and some cahones--but it was built on hard hard work from a young age with absolutely ZERO privilege. Nothing--so when I hear that I dont get it and I dont personally believe in it. I believe in Obama and thats why I voted for him twice. You have to work hard in this world and those who dont get left behind and bitch. Sorry white people dont hate black people yellow people or green people==really I dont even think about it nor do i care because to me its a non issue.. If I was black and lived in the hood--Id work three F jobs and would get the F out to move my family to a decent place. And those who live there and bthc about it--thats on them--no one in this world forces them to be there. And finally like I said--cut the crime rate down and my bet is a lot of good things will happen.

First off, stop generalizing and painting everyone with a broad brush. The majority of black people who live in the inner-city are decent hard working families and quite a few of them have worked hard and are working hard to move to safer areas and or make their community a safer place to live. Not all white people hate blacks, but to think there aren't whites who do hate blacks, again would be ignorant on your part.

The fact that you are saying the color of a persons skin is a non-issue is either ignorance on your part or denial....Do you agree that there is systemic racism in this country?

It persists but I think it has lessened significantly in the last twenty years. It'd help a hell of a lot if the fabulously and unprecedentedly wealthy black athletes like Carmelo Anthony gave up two-thirds of their earnings to inner city issues. Has that notion crossed your mind? To ask him or others to give back? Money talks and genuine untold wealth can help.

I was always of the opinion that black athletes that make it out of the inner city should give back in some way whether its money for youth programs, investing in black businesses or just to give their time. Jim Brown is not acknowledged enough for the charitable work he has done especially going into some of the worse crime infested areas and re-mediating meetings between gang leaders, etc. More athletes and entertainers need to do this because they are revered by many young kids in the inner city and have the resources and influence to provoke change.

For as much sh#t as Marbury has taken, the one great thing he did was help create affordable sneakers for kids. That was big and innovative and I was hoping some athletes would follow his lead.

No question Athletes being more involved will help tremendously. The best and most effective solution is better parenting and more stable homes regardless of what is happening in the streets, education and the job market.

Too simplistic, my friend...and CashMoney himself, can attest to the power of peer pressure.

Parenting and home stability go hand in hand with economic issues. I saw this all the time as a teacher, parents having to work multiple jobs not being able to supervise their children properly.

I saw the thing CashMoney talked about- kids being pressured to be part of groupings which did not appreciate the importance of education.

A late former colleague talked about one African-American student, who I only knew from my work in the Deans Office, as being very intelligent, but influenced by kids who saw the education thing as uncool.

The classic theory is that most things fashioning personality and actions come from the family...but as an educator of many years I simply cannot say that this is always the case, and I have too many examples of this during my career to doubt the power of peer influences.

I wish it was that easy to take the straight and narrow path. I think I was lucky. My father was a teacher and Athletic Director, but he still had to work extra hours to raise 8 kids while my mother gave up her career to be an in-home mother. We were lacking in some things- didn't get a color TV until I was in college, but we had enough money to reside in a nice neighborhood and live somewhat comfortably.

Hard for me to understand poverty myself, though I've seen it, and my school had a large population eligible for free school lunches...a sign of relative poverty or financial duress.

In some cases, your way of thinking works, but the world is much more complicated, IMO.

Walter and Alpha,

I think you both as well as CashMoney cited peer pressure/ influence of kids as factors in viewing education as uncool. I have cited the 73% out of wedlock birthrate for blacks, a number that grew exponentially across all groups including whites with the War on Poverty legislation in the early 60's. Are both, peer thinking and out of wedlock births, cultural norms that need to change?

DrAlphaeus wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

holfresh wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I think this is just a common sense answer from my own personal view point. I think its pretty simplistic. African Americans are responsible for a disproportionate amount of violent crime so the police who are in charge of that area have their "eye" on them much more so than other races. I guess from a cops point of view--he is scared or at a minimum heightened when confronted with the possibility of dealing with a higher source of danger. Remember these guys put their lives on the line every day--so you have to factor in their mindset. I think it really is as simple as that. If black people believe that white people have it out for them--my friends--you are dead wrong. White people green people yellow people--most of us have an every day responsibility of family and we are to busy to think about anything other than immediate issue. If it wasnt for what I heard on TV I probably wouldve steered clear of this thread. I believe strongly that Im a decent and honest fellow and answering questions honestly--even if they potentially offend--although im not trying to do that--is just reasonable back and forth recourse on an issue thats been getting a lot of attention. Its disturbing to hear--as a white person--what I believe is some true deep seeded hatred African Americans seem to have. I dont believe in the hood nor do I believe in excuse of race. If race was such an issue why dont Chinese people complain?

My dad died when I was 8. I went to PS 230 in Brooklyn until I was 10 and moved to a small condo in Ct with my two brothers and Mom. I shared a room with my twin brother for 18 years--two pretty big guys in a small room. I didnt have the money for special sneakers or clothes--and I lived in a town that had some money. The money I had was working a paper route that I had to get up at 6 am before school to do shuffling snow or cutting grass. When i was 15 and old enough to work I worked washing dishes at a Chinese restaurant(maybe the worst job on Earth:) I loved and played all sports--I was tall and ended up being a very decent football player. I dedicated time to work hard on my school work every day--no one told me too--my Mom worked---I took it upon myself to be aggressive and compete on my studies while putting effort into working out working--I mean I had ZERO "privilege" believe me. On top of it I was Jewish--and Ive heard my fair amount of derogatory BS--but I just dealt with it and went about my day--majority of people liked my brother and I. My goal was to play football at Syracuse and become a gym teacher or sportscaster because that is what I loved. I ended up at Uconn and had to pay for my own school and soon found out the difference between being good at sports in hS and college were two different beasts--but I played 4 years and worked hard anyway. I stayed and paid at Uconn for 6 years--all the way to an MBA. I wasnt given a penny for help from anyone in my family--I paid for myself by working in the summer. I ended up in the business side by chance--simply thats what my first roommate was there for--so I went with it as well. I got a very decent job right away in NY after graduating--yada yada 8 years later I dont have to work anymore---some luck there and some cahones--but it was built on hard hard work from a young age with absolutely ZERO privilege. Nothing--so when I hear that I dont get it and I dont personally believe in it. I believe in Obama and thats why I voted for him twice. You have to work hard in this world and those who dont get left behind and bitch. Sorry white people dont hate black people yellow people or green people==really I dont even think about it nor do i care because to me its a non issue.. If I was black and lived in the hood--Id work three F jobs and would get the F out to move my family to a decent place. And those who live there and bthc about it--thats on them--no one in this world forces them to be there. And finally like I said--cut the crime rate down and my bet is a lot of good things will happen.

First off, stop generalizing and painting everyone with a broad brush. The majority of black people who live in the inner-city are decent hard working families and quite a few of them have worked hard and are working hard to move to safer areas and or make their community a safer place to live. Not all white people hate blacks, but to think there aren't whites who do hate blacks, again would be ignorant on your part.

The fact that you are saying the color of a persons skin is a non-issue is either ignorance on your part or denial....Do you agree that there is systemic racism in this country?

Im not--Im telling you what I would do if my kids were subject to living in a bad environment--I would not allow it. If you work hard and bring home a decent check--there is NO reason on this Earth that you have to stay in the inner city? It doesnt even make sense????? Why would anyone stay in a neighborhood if you felt it was dangerous to your kids? I dont believe in racism in 2016 I believe there was once racism now its morphed into an excuse word. Can you explain to me what is racist today? I mean the president is African American--so you think white people are holding black people back these days---sorry I dont believe it and it would be very difficult for you to convince me otherwise. Today racism to me is an excuse word and its a disgrace to use it for those who truly experienced it. There is racists but thats a far cry from anyone holding another race back. If anything I have seen over the last week--AA are far more racist than white people. Sorry but thats what I have witnessed

Please look up the Rockerfeller Drug Laws..Dudes are doing 15-25 for slining crack, which is more prominent in black neighborhoods versus regular cocaine in white neighborhoods...

Rockefeller launched his campaign to toughen New York's laws at a press conference in January 1973 — almost exactly 40 years ago. He called for something unheard of: mandatory prison sentences of 15 years to life for drug dealers and addicts — even those caught with small amounts of marijuana, cocaine or heroin.


Today, Heroin addiction, which is ravaging the white community is now being handled the right way with compassion...Kids are not being put in jail but are now directed to treatment...Care to explain the change??

You might want to read Black Silent Majority or The Carceral State and the Crucible of Black Politics: An Urban History of the Rockefeller Drug Laws
Michael Javen Fortner
Rutgers University-Camden

Abstract
While scholars have illuminated the effects of mass incarceration, the origins of the criminal justice policies that produced these outcomes remain unclear. Many explanations obscure as much as they reveal—in great measure because they either ignore or minimize the consequences of crime. Emphasizing the exploitation of white fears, the construction of black criminality, or the political strategies of Republican political elites, prevailing theories ignore black crime victims. In order to excavate the historical roots of the modern carceral state, this study traces the development of New York State's Rockefeller drug laws. Rather than beginning in Albany, this history focuses on Harlem, a community hit hardest by rising crime rates and drug addiction. Drawing upon a variety of primary sources, this study traces how African American activists framed and negotiated the incipient drug problem in their neighborhoods and interrogates the policy prescriptions they attached to indigenously constructed frames. It describes how middle-class African Americans facing the material threats of crime and crime-related problems drew upon the moral content of indigenous class categories to understand these threats and develop policy prescriptions. It reveals how the black middle class shaped the development of this punitive policy and played a crucial role in the development of mass incarceration.
Correspondence

Crazy talk..It was all part of the Republican strategy to win elections...It began with Nixon declaring a national War on Drugs in 1972 on which Rockerfeller built upon...Bush One had no problem showcasing the Willie Horton ad during the '88 Presidential election...Trump's theme today is making Amreica safe again...Since when has black folks have clout to change laws???

Safety is a bigger issue now than at any other point in my lifetime. I'm glad Trump is making American safety a priority because at this rate we will self destruct or be destructed by outsiders

I hear a lot about how "I've never seen it this bad" and statements of hopelessness in this thread, in the media and elsewhere. Totally understandable but we need to guard against that. I think the combination of mass media and always-on social media engagement is a mental magnifier.

Unequal policing has been an issue since policing began, but these days you can get it live-streamed to your phone, iPad, TV. We were all around for Rodney King but the millenials and Twitter weren't — and now we see video up close and cases way more egregious that that — so things have to be hashed out again.

Safety may be a bigger issue, but are we less safe? Oh and good luck with the whole Trump thing. I remain thoroughly unconvinced about his ability to do anything but use social media to magnify his importance.

July has been a rough month for all but the latest Gallup Poll showed President Obama approval rating at 51% and satisfaction with personal lives pretty high amongst all groups which I find encouraging. The divergence was in country direction, appears that blacks and hispanics were more optimistic than whites which explains the Trump phenomenon

U.S. Satisfaction Higher Among Blacks, Hispanics Than Whites

U.S. Satisfaction Higher Among Blacks, Hispanics Than Whites
by Justin McCarthy
STORY HIGHLIGHTS

About half of blacks, Hispanics satisfied with U.S. direction
Twenty-eight percent of whites satisfied
Large majority of each group satisfied with personal lives
WASHINGTON, D.C. -- Nearly half of American blacks (49%) and Hispanics (47%) are satisfied with the way things are going in the U.S., compared with 28% of whites. Satisfaction levels among these three groups have generally been steady in Minority Rights and Relations polls conducted since 2013.

In general, are you satisfied or dissatisfied with the way things are going in the United States at this time?
Satisfied
%
Total 34
Non-Hispanic whites 28
Blacks 49
Hispanics 47
GALLUP, JUN 7-JUL 1, 2016
The latest reading, from Gallup's June 7-July 1 Minority Rights and Relations survey, was collected just before recent police shootings of black men in Minnesota and Louisiana that once again brought race relations to the forefront of public discussion. These data were also collected before the shooting deaths of five Dallas police officers during a protest march.

Polling conducted as part of Gallup Daily tracking earlier in the Obama administration, between 2009 and 2013, shows racial gaps in satisfaction similar to those seen today. By contrast, throughout the Bush administration from 2001 through 2008, whites were more satisfied with the direction of the country and blacks less satisfied, consistent with each racial groups' political leanings.

Blacks and Hispanics lean heavily Democratic, while whites lean Republican -- which appears to influence their views of the way things in the U.S. are going under presidents of their own party versus those of the opposing party.

More Than Four in Five Americans Satisfied With Personal Lives

While two-thirds of Americans are dissatisfied with the way things are going in the country as a whole, Americans are generally upbeat about the direction of their own lives. No less than 85% of those in any of the three major racial and ethnic groups say they are very or somewhat satisfied with their lives. This follows the general truism that Americans tend to be more positive about their personal lives and where they live than they are about the country as a whole. Additionally, personal satisfaction across all racial and ethnic groups is much more consistent than is U.S. satisfaction.

Unlike the racial gaps seen with U.S. satisfaction, there are small differences among whites, blacks and Hispanics in personal satisfaction. Whites and blacks have virtually identical satisfaction levels, at 89% and 88%, respectively, with Hispanics just slightly lower, at 85%.

Overall, how satisfied are you with your life -- are you very satisfied, somewhat satisfied, somewhat dissatisfied or very dissatisfied?
Very/Somewhat satisfied
%
Total 88
Non-Hispanic whites 89
Blacks 88
Hispanics 85
GALLUP, JUN 7-JUL 1, 2016
Bottom Line

Even with the increased spotlight on police treatment of blacks and more focus on U.S. race relations, blacks' and Hispanics' satisfaction with the direction of the country remains about where it has been in recent years. These higher levels of satisfaction appear to reflect blacks' and Hispanics' Democratic orientation and their positive reaction to a Democratic president. Blacks are clearly more negative than whites about specific aspects of race relations, but their general outlook on the way things are going in the country is more positive.

Whites continue to be least satisfied with where the country is heading, most likely linked to their Republican orientation. It may also help explain why enough Republican voters gravitated toward Donald Trump's campaign promises about making America great again -- and his continued criticism of the way things are going in the U.S. under President Barack Obama -- to make Trump their party's nominee.

Regardless of race or ethnicity, most Americans have been satisfied with their own lives over the past 16 years, suggesting that even in times of widespread dissatisfaction with their country, Americans separate their personal circumstances from those going on in the country around them.

Historical data are available in Gallup Analytics.

Survey Methods

Results for this Gallup poll are based on telephone interviews conducted June 7-July 1, 2016, with a sample of 3,270 adults, aged 18 and older, living in all 50 U.S. states and the District of Columbia, who had previously been interviewed in the Gallup Daily tracking poll and agreed to be re-interviewed for a later study. The sample is weighted to be representative of U.S. adults.

For results based on the total sample of national adults, the margin of sampling error is ±3 percentage points at the 95% confidence level. For results based on the sample of 1,320 non-Hispanic whites, the margin of sampling error is ±4 percentage points at the 95% confidence level. For results based on the sample of 912 non-Hispanic blacks, the margin of sampling error is ±5 percentage points at the 95% confidence level. For results based on the sample of 906 Hispanics, the margin of sampling error is ±6 percentage points at the 95% confidence level (271 out of the 906 interviews with Hispanics were conducted in Spanish). All reported margins of sampling error include computed design effects for weighting.

Each sample of national adults includes a minimum quota of 60% cellphone respondents and 40% landline respondents, with additional minimum quotas by time zone within region. Landline and cellular telephone numbers are selected using random-digit-dial methods.

meloanyk wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

holfresh wrote:

meloanyk wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I think this is just a common sense answer from my own personal view point. I think its pretty simplistic. African Americans are responsible for a disproportionate amount of violent crime so the police who are in charge of that area have their "eye" on them much more so than other races. I guess from a cops point of view--he is scared or at a minimum heightened when confronted with the possibility of dealing with a higher source of danger. Remember these guys put their lives on the line every day--so you have to factor in their mindset. I think it really is as simple as that. If black people believe that white people have it out for them--my friends--you are dead wrong. White people green people yellow people--most of us have an every day responsibility of family and we are to busy to think about anything other than immediate issue. If it wasnt for what I heard on TV I probably wouldve steered clear of this thread. I believe strongly that Im a decent and honest fellow and answering questions honestly--even if they potentially offend--although im not trying to do that--is just reasonable back and forth recourse on an issue thats been getting a lot of attention. Its disturbing to hear--as a white person--what I believe is some true deep seeded hatred African Americans seem to have. I dont believe in the hood nor do I believe in excuse of race. If race was such an issue why dont Chinese people complain?

My dad died when I was 8. I went to PS 230 in Brooklyn until I was 10 and moved to a small condo in Ct with my two brothers and Mom. I shared a room with my twin brother for 18 years--two pretty big guys in a small room. I didnt have the money for special sneakers or clothes--and I lived in a town that had some money. The money I had was working a paper route that I had to get up at 6 am before school to do shuffling snow or cutting grass. When i was 15 and old enough to work I worked washing dishes at a Chinese restaurant(maybe the worst job on Earth:) I loved and played all sports--I was tall and ended up being a very decent football player. I dedicated time to work hard on my school work every day--no one told me too--my Mom worked---I took it upon myself to be aggressive and compete on my studies while putting effort into working out working--I mean I had ZERO "privilege" believe me. On top of it I was Jewish--and Ive heard my fair amount of derogatory BS--but I just dealt with it and went about my day--majority of people liked my brother and I. My goal was to play football at Syracuse and become a gym teacher or sportscaster because that is what I loved. I ended up at Uconn and had to pay for my own school and soon found out the difference between being good at sports in hS and college were two different beasts--but I played 4 years and worked hard anyway. I stayed and paid at Uconn for 6 years--all the way to an MBA. I wasnt given a penny for help from anyone in my family--I paid for myself by working in the summer. I ended up in the business side by chance--simply thats what my first roommate was there for--so I went with it as well. I got a very decent job right away in NY after graduating--yada yada 8 years later I dont have to work anymore---some luck there and some cahones--but it was built on hard hard work from a young age with absolutely ZERO privilege. Nothing--so when I hear that I dont get it and I dont personally believe in it. I believe in Obama and thats why I voted for him twice. You have to work hard in this world and those who dont get left behind and bitch. Sorry white people dont hate black people yellow people or green people==really I dont even think about it nor do i care because to me its a non issue.. If I was black and lived in the hood--Id work three F jobs and would get the F out to move my family to a decent place. And those who live there and bthc about it--thats on them--no one in this world forces them to be there. And finally like I said--cut the crime rate down and my bet is a lot of good things will happen.

First off, stop generalizing and painting everyone with a broad brush. The majority of black people who live in the inner-city are decent hard working families and quite a few of them have worked hard and are working hard to move to safer areas and or make their community a safer place to live. Not all white people hate blacks, but to think there aren't whites who do hate blacks, again would be ignorant on your part.

The fact that you are saying the color of a persons skin is a non-issue is either ignorance on your part or denial....Do you agree that there is systemic racism in this country?

Im not--Im telling you what I would do if my kids were subject to living in a bad environment--I would not allow it. If you work hard and bring home a decent check--there is NO reason on this Earth that you have to stay in the inner city? It doesnt even make sense????? Why would anyone stay in a neighborhood if you felt it was dangerous to your kids? I dont believe in racism in 2016 I believe there was once racism now its morphed into an excuse word. Can you explain to me what is racist today? I mean the president is African American--so you think white people are holding black people back these days---sorry I dont believe it and it would be very difficult for you to convince me otherwise. Today racism to me is an excuse word and its a disgrace to use it for those who truly experienced it. There is racists but thats a far cry from anyone holding another race back. If anything I have seen over the last week--AA are far more racist than white people. Sorry but thats what I have witnessed

Please look up the Rockerfeller Drug Laws..Dudes are doing 15-25 for slining crack, which is more prominent in black neighborhoods versus regular cocaine in white neighborhoods...

Rockefeller launched his campaign to toughen New York's laws at a press conference in January 1973 — almost exactly 40 years ago. He called for something unheard of: mandatory prison sentences of 15 years to life for drug dealers and addicts — even those caught with small amounts of marijuana, cocaine or heroin.


Today, Heroin addiction, which is ravaging the white community is now being handled the right way with compassion...Kids are not being put in jail but are now directed to treatment...Care to explain the change??

You might want to read Black Silent Majority or The Carceral State and the Crucible of Black Politics: An Urban History of the Rockefeller Drug Laws
Michael Javen Fortner
Rutgers University-Camden

Abstract
While scholars have illuminated the effects of mass incarceration, the origins of the criminal justice policies that produced these outcomes remain unclear. Many explanations obscure as much as they reveal—in great measure because they either ignore or minimize the consequences of crime. Emphasizing the exploitation of white fears, the construction of black criminality, or the political strategies of Republican political elites, prevailing theories ignore black crime victims. In order to excavate the historical roots of the modern carceral state, this study traces the development of New York State's Rockefeller drug laws. Rather than beginning in Albany, this history focuses on Harlem, a community hit hardest by rising crime rates and drug addiction. Drawing upon a variety of primary sources, this study traces how African American activists framed and negotiated the incipient drug problem in their neighborhoods and interrogates the policy prescriptions they attached to indigenously constructed frames. It describes how middle-class African Americans facing the material threats of crime and crime-related problems drew upon the moral content of indigenous class categories to understand these threats and develop policy prescriptions. It reveals how the black middle class shaped the development of this punitive policy and played a crucial role in the development of mass incarceration.
Correspondence

Crazy talk..It was all part of the Republican strategy to win elections...It began with Nixon declaring a national War on Drugs in 1972 on which Rockerfeller built upon...Bush One had no problem showcasing the Willie Horton ad during the '88 Presidential election...Trump's theme today is making Amreica safe again...Since when has black folks have clout to change laws???

Safety is a bigger issue now than at any other point in my lifetime. I'm glad Trump is making American safety a priority because at this rate we will self destruct or be destructed by outsiders

Safety??..Crime rates are the lowest in 50 years...

Why is that?

Before we move on to other topics...As previously requested, you said I made bigoted statements..Care to show me what you were referring to??

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

misterearl wrote:Knickoftime - The difference is that Obama owned his mistake. The Trump mob insists they did nothing wrong.

Did he own when he said you can keep your doctor? when he said it was a video that caused Bnghazi? Come on now.

What does that have to do with anything?

It is adolescent reasoning to excuse any wrongdoing with "yeah, but that other person did worse."

If you don't care that she plagiarized, that's fine, you don't have to. But the reason you're offering isn't even good enough for the Trump campaign, who obviously recognize it is an issue, which is why they're denying.

As I say, if you don't care, that's you choice. But you should be able to acknowledge what occurred with reasoning it away.

If you could comprehend words, I already explained to you that I believe it was intentional.

Then it was a campaign misstep, of pretty significant proportions.

Because NO ONE but you is talking about that. The point you think they were trying to make it lost in the accusation of plagiarism, which btw, is also taking them off message for the first 2 day of their convention.

Whether you want to rationalize that it was part of some grand rhetorical plan is up to you, but you should be able to at least acknowledge if that was their plan, it failed.

I added Obama to show YOU how its accepted for some but not others.

You recall it because it was made an issue (rightly) and the issue was acknowledged, not denied.

My own belief is that if the words are good use them.

You're entitled. Just understand your words can get you on the losing end of a lawsuit depending on the circumstances. Plagiarism has a legal definition and this is plagiarism.

As I say, you can rationalize it away. What you cannot rationalize is the Trump campaign intended this to dominate the 12 hours (and counting) following the first evening of their convention.

That's just an unforced, amateur-hour error.

Knickoftime wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:You guys really want to bring their wives into this?

Nobody did.

She and the campaign were receiving praise for the speech immediately following.

They did this to themselves.

And are currently making it worse.

This belongs on the petty level--I mean come on:) I dont like either candidate but if Im forced to look at Melania Trump 4 four years--I can hack that. And In my book she can plagiarize whoever she wants--who really gives a rats arse--it has absolute zero relevance.

Knickoftime wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

misterearl wrote:Knickoftime - The difference is that Obama owned his mistake. The Trump mob insists they did nothing wrong.

Did he own when he said you can keep your doctor? when he said it was a video that caused Bnghazi? Come on now.

What does that have to do with anything?

It is adolescent reasoning to excuse any wrongdoing with "yeah, but that other person did worse."

If you don't care that she plagiarized, that's fine, you don't have to. But the reason you're offering isn't even good enough for the Trump campaign, who obviously recognize it is an issue, which is why they're denying.

As I say, if you don't care, that's you choice. But you should be able to acknowledge what occurred with reasoning it away.

If you could comprehend words, I already explained to you that I believe it was intentional.

Then it was a campaign misstep, of pretty significant proportions.

Because NO ONE but you is talking about that. The point you think they were trying to make it lost in the accusation of plagiarism, which btw, is also taking them off message for the first 2 day of their convention.

Whether you want to rationalize that it was part of some grand rhetorical plan is up to you, but you should be able to at least acknowledge if that was their plan, it failed.

I added Obama to show YOU how its accepted for some but not others.

You recall it because it was made an issue (rightly) and the issue was acknowledged, not denied.

My own belief is that if the words are good use them.

You're entitled. Just understand your words can get you on the losing end of a lawsuit depending on the circumstances. Plagiarism has a legal definition and this is plagiarism.

As I say, you can rationalize it away. What you cannot rationalize is the Trump campaign intended this to dominate the 12 hours (and counting) following the first evening of their convention.

That's just an unforced, amateur-hour error.

These are your opinions and you have a right to them as do I to mine. This is not a traditional candidate or a traditional campaign.

You think they have been taken off message by this? What is everyone talking about? Her Speech in which she laid out why he is a good choice to win. She used similar words as the previous winner's.

You may not see it but as others say and I believe they calculated, its not about the so called plagiarism, its about owning the headlines as he had since last June.

BRIGGS wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:You guys really want to bring their wives into this?

Nobody did.

She and the campaign were receiving praise for the speech immediately following.

They did this to themselves.

And are currently making it worse.

This belongs on the petty level--I mean come on:) I dont like either candidate but if Im forced to look at Melania Trump 4 four years--I can hack that. And In my book she can plagiarize whoever she wants--who really gives a rats arse--it has absolute zero relevance.

This is missing the point.

A presidential nominees campaign, his or her selection of a VP, his or her convention, his or her debates, it's all field testing of an potential administration.

You can ABSOLUTELY make the case the plagiarism in this case does not matter, but you can't make the case the campaign intended this result. It is an unforced error. If they did it on purpose not understanding the issue it would become, that's a reflection of incompetence.

If it was unintentional, they should have acknowledged it and apologized for it quickly, which would have appealed to the people who feel as if you do and squashed it.

But his campaign manager is denying it, which is a bold face lie, corroborating the perception his candidate is a bold face liar, and assuring the issue will continue to dominate coverage of a convention the candidate badly needs to get a bump out of.

Turn on cable news. The Trump campaign should have been able to correctly measure that rightly or wrongly, it would dominate the cycle.

That they didn't is what's relevant, not the plagiarism.