I get not wanting to turn the ball over but you have to work the PnR. Felton was a beast and Melo is the best PnR scorer as a ball handler in the NBA and was ridiculous in the playoffs. It makes no sense to not do what works(unless restricted by Injury).

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nixluva wrote:YO not for nothing but Woody has to get his act together cuz his mistakes have been highly problematic. Not playing Prigs and allowing the Knicks to slow their game down to a crawl so that they lost all intensity made no sense. Woody seems not to realize his 2 top players are not playing well and Melo could be hurt. Woody should be making more use of the guys who are actually going well.

Now I see why the Hawks fired him even though they were a 50 win team.

This is the truly scary part of Woody as a coach. He does so good but then in the playoffs he has these mind numbingly bad stretches. He has to get his act together!!! Why NO PRIGS in the 4th? Why did they have to go away from Felton and force it to Melo every time down? Just so many things that drive you crazy. I'm glad they won, but this wasn't the best coaching performance at all.

Please stop..U are the biggest supporter of one of the worse coaches this organization has seen...When was the last time MDA made it to the second round...How many years has it been..Is it doable without Nash...So, silence and enjoy the win...

You take a shot at mda as a knick coach, means you were under a rock for his tenure

Who was under a rock?., me or u??..Name one time MDA overachieved with his roster..Just once...

Why the F are you guys bringing up MDA??? NO ONE EVEN MENTIONED HIM! This is about Woody who had one job to do and that was to make sure that his team played their style of ball, which is ball and player movement and NOT ISO which is playing into the Celtic's hands. The C's are the best defensive team against ISO in the league. WTF!!!

Once again we are ALL GLAD the team won, but you can't just ignore the way this team played and act like this was a clean win where the team was clicking on all cylinders!!!

When you spend 4 years praising and defending one of the worst coaches in the history of the franchise and then come out guns a blazin for the first coach to win a playoff series since JVg you have to expect a reaction.

MAn don't give me that ish. I've been playing and watching ball since the Knicks last won a title. I KNOW WTF i'm talking about. If i'm wrong about the mistakes this team made then point it out, but don't go into some crap about my support for MDA who wasn't even mentioned by me in any of my posts. I was making VALID points about mistakes MIKE WOODSON made that could easily have lost this game and then what would you be saying?

There's only one coach of this team and he hasn't had his team playing the right way for the majority of this series. They've only played good BB in spurts. He had a chance to have one complete game with the team up 20+ points and he didn't do it. Woody has to do a great job for this team to get to the finals. He can't make mistakes like he did in this series.

Have u ever had one complaint about MDA's coaching??

Yes I have had complaints about things MDA has done or not done, but why is that relevant to this current situation and why are you and others trying to make this about MDA? I'VE NEVER said that MDA was perfect and have stated his flaws as a coach many times. MDA is a system guy and not as good when he's forced to play a team that can't run his system. Thing is that he's shown himself to be great when you give him the tools he needs to succeed. They didn't do that in NY or LA. If you hire MDA you are doing so knowing he's a system guy.

Now the relevant issue is that Woody has made quite a few mistakes in the playoffs which is his biggest flaw. He's been great in the regular season and not as good in the playoffs. I just don't like some of the things I saw. Very happy we won, but this was much closer to a horrible collapse than it should've been. I'm looking forward to a better performance in the 2nd rd.

It's almost as if some of us are too happy we made it out of the 1st rd. The goal isn't to win the 1st rd. The goal is to make the ECF's and have a shot to make the finals. That's why i'm bashing Woody, cuz he's gonna have to be much better in order to get the the ECF's. Hopefully he's learned from this series.

We haven't made it out of the first round in13 years. During four of thee years you praised dantoni unconditionally despite the fact the guy was one of the worst coaches in franchise history. On the night the Knicks advance your history of defending the guy that was here before and couldn't get it done to the point where the Knicks were headed to the lottery last year takes way from your credibility in my opinion. I think that might be why dantoni comes up when you criticize a guy that actually wins.

I'm still not understanding what your point is in all this. You're response to me pointing out VALID faults in what was nearly a huge collapse for this team in this series is to bring up my defense of a coach that is no longer here and wasn't mentioned nor inferred in any way. That's the lamest ish i've ever read. PLEASE stop trying to discredit me by bringing up MDA every single time anyone questions Woody. That's really off base and doesn't serve to further any discussion. As usual with you and several others you have NOTHING. No valid point of your own to refute what i'm saying so you just bring up MDA to somehow make yourself seem superior.

You have no point here. You think it's OK for this team to keep making the mistakes they've been making? You think it's not a valid issue to discuss what Woody has been doing wrong? I'm not saying you can' be happy the team has advanced but that's not some major accomplishment given the talent on this team. I want this team to get to the ECF's and hopefully get to the finals. I'm not satisfied with a sloppy 1st rd. win. This team has the talent to do much more than that, but they've got to execute on a higher level. OR do you have an issue with me wanting that for this team?

i am at a complete loss - you used to be the most irrationally optimistic poster on this board. we get that you hat Woody and love pringles but good gravy man... Woody has won 2/3 of his games since taking over the team from the guy who is leading the disappointing train wreck in LA. You couldn't even celebrate the series win the night of the victory....

now you didn`t bring up Pringles - true - but considering you were always irrationally optimistic when the Knicks had zero chance of doing anything of importance yet are relentless in setting fire to Woody even after the first playoff series win in 13 years speaks volumes and smells of piss and vinegar

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holfresh wrote:As Knick fans, I must admit we collectively seem to have a sense of entitlement...We take it for granted that we should win on the road in Boston, Game 6 against KG and Pierce...Think about that for one second..We just beat KG and Pierce in Boston to go 4-2 in the series...Could have been 4-0 but we got a 2 game invaluable lesson in playoff basketball...On and off the court...Something we are going to need should we get by Indy...

Agreed- people seem to filter out when the knicks do well, and only focus on when they do badly. We were up 26 points in the 4th- that's a big achievement. Then we lost most of the lead- that was awful, BUT then we didn't cave and we fought back to a 10pt lead. That's an achievement. Seems all people are going to take from this is that 20-0 run Boston went on.

That 4th Q iso-Melo disaster was tough to watch- I don't get it, is it Melo who's calling that (saw him waving other players off) or is it Woody? The problem with Woody is also his strength- he's old school and has that old school loyalty thing of sticking with your players even when they are stinking up the joint. JVG did it with Starks and Ewing, so did Riley. Can cost you games, but sometimes the players appreciate it and play better for you.

Surprises of the series- Felton and Shump. And I'm so happy for them. Felton hasn't done very well in his presvious 2 playoff series, and that's what I was worrying about most of the season, but he shut up a lot of peoples mouths! And Shump went from rookie-like jitters in the first game to having the poise of a battle tested vet. He was just awesome. Trade him for JJ Reddick or Dudley, my arse!

Priggs also had a great game. Tyson was okay- almost back to full strength. JR was quiet but okay. Kidd stunk. Melo stunk, and was frustrating to watch, but we all know he's a much better player than what he's shown us this series. K-Mart was invisible for the 3rd game running. And the Ref's stunk- twice they called blocking fouls during that 20-0 run that should have been charges. Those were big momentum calls that helped the Celtics keep going.

Feels great to never have to play those KG & Pierce Celtics ever again. Give them credit, the Celtics never gave up- thats why it was so hard to put them away. Most teams crumble when you have them down by that much, but they wouldn't. That team has a lot of heart, which the Pacers do not. Hopefully that will make the next series easier.

Man, Sundays too soon for the the next series to start- not ready for it!

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holfresh wrote:What a series huh...Emotionally, Physically, Mentally, Boston took us there ...Give them credit...If this team didn't know what it took to get over the hump...The Boston series was a start..Playoff basketball baby, how are u loving it...Anyone see ZBo and the Clippers...Love it..

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holfresh wrote:As Knick fans, I must admit we collectively seem to have a sense of entitlement...We take it for granted that we should win on the road in Boston, Game 6 against KG and Pierce...Think about that for one second..We just beat KG and Pierce in Boston to go 4-2 in the series...Could have been 4-0 but we got a 2 game invaluable lesson in playoff basketball...On and off the court...Something we are going to need should we get by Indy...

Agreed- people seem to filter out when the knicks do well, and only focus on when they do badly. We were up 26 points in the 4th- that's a big achievement. Then we lost most of the lead- that was awful, BUT then we didn't cave and we fought back to a 10pt lead. That's an achievement. Seems all people are going to take from this is that 20-0 run Boston went on.

That 4th Q iso-Melo disaster was tough to watch- I don't get it, is it Melo who's calling that (saw him waving other players off) or is it Woody? The problem with Woody is also his strength- he's old school and has that old school loyalty thing of sticking with your players even when they are stinking up the joint. JVG did it with Starks and Ewing, so did Riley. Can cost you games, but sometimes the players appreciate it and play better for you.

Surprises of the series- Felton and Shump. And I'm so happy for them. Felton hasn't done very well in his presvious 2 playoff series, and that's what I was worrying about most of the season, but he shut up a lot of peoples mouths! And Shump went from rookie-like jitters in the first game to having the poise of a battle tested vet. He was just awesome. Trade him for JJ Reddick or Dudley, my arse!

Priggs also had a great game. Tyson was okay- almost back to full strength. JR was quiet but okay. Kidd stunk. Melo stunk, and was frustrating to watch, but we all know he's a much better player than what he's shown us this series. K-Mart was invisible for the 3rd game running. And the Ref's stunk- twice they called blocking fouls during that 20-0 run that should have been charges. Those were big momentum calls that helped the Celtics keep going.

Feels great to never have to play those KG & Pierce Celtics ever again. Give them credit, the Celtics never gave up- thats why it was so hard to put them away. Most teams crumble when you have them down by that much, but they wouldn't. That team has a lot of heart, which the Pacers do not. Hopefully that will make the next series easier.

Man, Sundays too soon for the the next series to start- not ready for it!

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overall yesterday was a net positive... crushing Boston would have been a bigger net positive but whatever

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SupremeCommander wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

nixluva wrote:

holfresh wrote:

knicks1248 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

nixluva wrote:

Clean wrote:

nixluva wrote:YO not for nothing but Woody has to get his act together cuz his mistakes have been highly problematic. Not playing Prigs and allowing the Knicks to slow their game down to a crawl so that they lost all intensity made no sense. Woody seems not to realize his 2 top players are not playing well and Melo could be hurt. Woody should be making more use of the guys who are actually going well.

Now I see why the Hawks fired him even though they were a 50 win team.

This is the truly scary part of Woody as a coach. He does so good but then in the playoffs he has these mind numbingly bad stretches. He has to get his act together!!! Why NO PRIGS in the 4th? Why did they have to go away from Felton and force it to Melo every time down? Just so many things that drive you crazy. I'm glad they won, but this wasn't the best coaching performance at all.

Please stop..U are the biggest supporter of one of the worse coaches this organization has seen...When was the last time MDA made it to the second round...How many years has it been..Is it doable without Nash...So, silence and enjoy the win...

You take a shot at mda as a knick coach, means you were under a rock for his tenure

Who was under a rock?., me or u??..Name one time MDA overachieved with his roster..Just once...

Why the F are you guys bringing up MDA??? NO ONE EVEN MENTIONED HIM! This is about Woody who had one job to do and that was to make sure that his team played their style of ball, which is ball and player movement and NOT ISO which is playing into the Celtic's hands. The C's are the best defensive team against ISO in the league. WTF!!!

Once again we are ALL GLAD the team won, but you can't just ignore the way this team played and act like this was a clean win where the team was clicking on all cylinders!!!

When you spend 4 years praising and defending one of the worst coaches in the history of the franchise and then come out guns a blazin for the first coach to win a playoff series since JVg you have to expect a reaction.

MAn don't give me that ish. I've been playing and watching ball since the Knicks last won a title. I KNOW WTF i'm talking about. If i'm wrong about the mistakes this team made then point it out, but don't go into some crap about my support for MDA who wasn't even mentioned by me in any of my posts. I was making VALID points about mistakes MIKE WOODSON made that could easily have lost this game and then what would you be saying?

There's only one coach of this team and he hasn't had his team playing the right way for the majority of this series. They've only played good BB in spurts. He had a chance to have one complete game with the team up 20+ points and he didn't do it. Woody has to do a great job for this team to get to the finals. He can't make mistakes like he did in this series.

Have u ever had one complaint about MDA's coaching??

Yes I have had complaints about things MDA has done or not done, but why is that relevant to this current situation and why are you and others trying to make this about MDA? I'VE NEVER said that MDA was perfect and have stated his flaws as a coach many times. MDA is a system guy and not as good when he's forced to play a team that can't run his system. Thing is that he's shown himself to be great when you give him the tools he needs to succeed. They didn't do that in NY or LA. If you hire MDA you are doing so knowing he's a system guy.

Now the relevant issue is that Woody has made quite a few mistakes in the playoffs which is his biggest flaw. He's been great in the regular season and not as good in the playoffs. I just don't like some of the things I saw. Very happy we won, but this was much closer to a horrible collapse than it should've been. I'm looking forward to a better performance in the 2nd rd.

It's almost as if some of us are too happy we made it out of the 1st rd. The goal isn't to win the 1st rd. The goal is to make the ECF's and have a shot to make the finals. That's why i'm bashing Woody, cuz he's gonna have to be much better in order to get the the ECF's. Hopefully he's learned from this series.

We haven't made it out of the first round in13 years. During four of thee years you praised dantoni unconditionally despite the fact the guy was one of the worst coaches in franchise history. On the night the Knicks advance your history of defending the guy that was here before and couldn't get it done to the point where the Knicks were headed to the lottery last year takes way from your credibility in my opinion. I think that might be why dantoni comes up when you criticize a guy that actually wins.

I'm still not understanding what your point is in all this. You're response to me pointing out VALID faults in what was nearly a huge collapse for this team in this series is to bring up my defense of a coach that is no longer here and wasn't mentioned nor inferred in any way. That's the lamest ish i've ever read. PLEASE stop trying to discredit me by bringing up MDA every single time anyone questions Woody. That's really off base and doesn't serve to further any discussion. As usual with you and several others you have NOTHING. No valid point of your own to refute what i'm saying so you just bring up MDA to somehow make yourself seem superior.

You have no point here. You think it's OK for this team to keep making the mistakes they've been making? You think it's not a valid issue to discuss what Woody has been doing wrong? I'm not saying you can' be happy the team has advanced but that's not some major accomplishment given the talent on this team. I want this team to get to the ECF's and hopefully get to the finals. I'm not satisfied with a sloppy 1st rd. win. This team has the talent to do much more than that, but they've got to execute on a higher level. OR do you have an issue with me wanting that for this team?

i am at a complete loss - you used to be the most irrationally optimistic poster on this board. we get that you hat Woody and love pringles but good gravy man... Woody has won 2/3 of his games since taking over the team from the guy who is leading the disappointing train wreck in LA. You couldn't even celebrate the series win the night of the victory....

now you didn`t bring up Pringles - true - but considering you were always irrationally optimistic when the Knicks had zero chance of doing anything of importance yet are relentless in setting fire to Woody even after the first playoff series win in 13 years speaks volumes and smells of piss and vinegar

1st of all I don't "hate" Woody. I've praised Woody for his good work, but also point out his flaws. I want to see this team play up to it's potential and play "winning" basketball. For all of the BS that many of you guys keep hoisting towards me, there remains one simple fact, i'm not wrong in believing that this team plays best when it's not ISO-centric. We saw that style didn't work last year in the playoffs and it didn't work this year in the playoffs. We really only had success when the ball and player movement was there and they played TEAM BB. You wanna know why I supported MDA? It's because TEAM ball is what he preaches and I don't see how anyone who knows anything about BB can refute the evidence that this is the best way to play the game.

As for YOU GUYS constantly bringing up of MDA can we at least put things in perspective? This year is really the 1st time this team has been built to contend for the EC Title and also had the full Training camp and season to build chemistry. In most of the time MDA was here this team was either rebuilding or in the case of the last year dealing with a less than ideal shortened season with key players coming off surgery in the off season.

I don't judge every season to be the same with the same expectations. So this year my expectation are much higher. With higher expectations come greater scrutiny. You can't compare any of MDA's seasons to this one in terms of expectations. Woody has to raise his level to meet the circumstances. He's trying to do something he's never done as a head coach. REACH THE ECF's. He won't do that if he doesn't get his act together. The reason I was critical of Woody is that the team repeatedly fell into poor habits. We LOSE when we play heavy ISO ball. There's no reason this team should have long stretches where it doesn't play good team ball. That's what got us here and that's how the team is going to advance. That is all I was saying.

You are not wrong about the ISO thing. I hate it and the ball needs to move. I do however think defense comes first and I think Woody is ahead of the curve by featuring the three the way he does. The only other one than Woody doing that is Spoelstra. The imporatance of a center has diminished. I still think Pringles proved to be a ****ty head coach - he only just figured out Dwight Howard and Pau Gasol could play togetrher if he bent his system. But I digress.

That is fair. You can put things into perspective. Mr. Optimistic (that's not meant as a dig) all of sudden is assuming Woody isn't going to win next season. All of a sudden it's switched from "Pringles can do it!" to "Woody cannot do it!" You tell me - how am I supposed to respond to your Woody insights when there's a clear bias in your analysis? I am happy that Woody has the team playing defense first and giving it their all. Woody is still growing as a coach and he has some flaws. I think he's done an outstanding job considering the team he inherited from Pringles started winning immediately. That's my perspective on it.

For what it's worth even though we frequently disagree on philosophy I am happy to see you posting here again but would prefer it to be as nixluva instead of nixhatter