nehemiah wrote:You know, you're not quite the guy to judge who's dumb or not with your "let's trash Lin thread" (it was named something different, but that's what it was.

That thread was supposed to be objective and about numbers. Numbers for this game was lopsided as Lin clearly outplayed Felton. Yet you're still here trashing Lin and propping up Felton -- this denial is not good for the Knicks. Be a damn man for once -- Lin didn't get lucky tonight -- that's his game. What did he do tonight that is anomalous? He is not a great shooter, but shoots adequately at times. He dishes the ball well and gets to the basket well. He plays hard and not selfish. These are evident to most everyone but you.

Stop being such a vagina.

NUPE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

NUPE wrote:It's hilarious to me that you have people in here trumpeting Lin over Felton as if Lin has not been ass-cheeks this year. Literally trash. It is not even debatable. Are we going to pretend Lin has not been complete trash this year?!?! LMAO! Yea, I will take Felton.

Also, last time I checked, the Heat and Mavs won the last two titles without a star pg. The Lakers won without a star pg. The Rockets won without a star pg. The Pistons won without a star pg (Billups is not a star). Also, for the delusional posters, LIN IS NOT A STAR PG, NOT REMOTELY and PROBABLY NEVER. Lin sucks thus far this season and has inferior stats to Felton. Welcome to reality! LOL!

This team is built around Melo and Amar'e carrying the offense and if both are out the offense will struggle noticeably. Blaming Felton is laughable.

I know you kids are starved to scream I told you so about Felton so have at it. However, I will not pretend that Lin has been better than Felton. LoL!

You don't need a "star" pg to win

You need a smart PG to win.

Felton is a dumb PG

I don't believe Felton is dumb. That is a pretty childish statement. Felton's TO are generally low. Felton generally makes smart plays. Felton's shooting is not great but Felton's primary role in the offense is not to shoot when we have a healthy team. What part of this simple statement don't you understand.

In a situation like today, who else was gonna take the shots. Brewer can't create. Chandler can't create. Kidd can't create. Novak can't create. Prig generally does not create. The only creators were JR, Copeland and Felton so they were the ones that were going to take the shots and dominate the ball. It's literally common sense.

There are a few Knicks that did not play great today but for some reason the focus is on Felton. LoL!

As for Lin. He is inferior to Felton across the board, stat wise. Lin has been a debacle and absolute disappointment. The fact that people are in this thread and pretending otherwise is ABSURD and reeks of bias.

You disappeared for weeks which coincided with Lin's terrible play and now risen from the dead because Lin actually played well, against the Knicks. LoL! Also, the thread you referred to simply tracked Lin's stats. I don't see how that is trashing Lin.

NUPE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

NUPE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

NUPE wrote:It's hilarious to me that you have people in here trumpeting Lin over Felton as if Lin has not been ass-cheeks this year. Literally trash. It is not even debatable. Are we going to pretend Lin has not been complete trash this year?!?! LMAO! Yea, I will take Felton.

Also, last time I checked, the Heat and Mavs won the last two titles without a star pg. The Lakers won without a star pg. The Rockets won without a star pg. The Pistons won without a star pg (Billups is not a star). Also, for the delusional posters, LIN IS NOT A STAR PG, NOT REMOTELY and PROBABLY NEVER. Lin sucks thus far this season and has inferior stats to Felton. Welcome to reality! LOL!

This team is built around Melo and Amar'e carrying the offense and if both are out the offense will struggle noticeably. Blaming Felton is laughable.

I know you kids are starved to scream I told you so about Felton so have at it. However, I will not pretend that Lin has been better than Felton. LoL!

You don't need a "star" pg to win

You need a smart PG to win.

Felton is a dumb PG

I don't believe Felton is dumb. That is a pretty childish statement. Felton's TO are generally low. Felton generally makes smart plays. Felton's shooting is not great but Felton's primary role in the offense is not to shoot when we have a healthy team. What part of this simple statement don't you understand.

In a situation like today, who else was gonna take the shots. Brewer can't create. Chandler can't create. Kidd can't create. Novak can't create. Prig generally does not create. The only creators were JR, Copeland and Felton so they were the ones that were going to take the shots and dominate the ball. It's literally common sense.

There are a few Knicks that did not play great today but for some reason the focus is on Felton. LoL!

As for Lin. He is inferior to Felton across the board, stat wise. Lin has been a debacle and absolute disappointment. The fact that people are in this thread and pretending otherwise is ABSURD and reeks of bias.

The more you post the dumber you appear to be.

Kid's, like you, typically resort to ad hominem attacks when they have nothing of substance or intelligence to say. No surprise here.

Nupe, nobody has attacked anybody tonight and we have had very amicable discussions.

Talk about childish, reread your post and them you shall learn about maturity.

Its okay, I have had many weak moments too, I just try to be less blind than you do.

mrKnickShot wrote:

NUPE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

NUPE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

NUPE wrote:It's hilarious to me that you have people in here trumpeting Lin over Felton as if Lin has not been ass-cheeks this year. Literally trash. It is not even debatable. Are we going to pretend Lin has not been complete trash this year?!?! LMAO! Yea, I will take Felton.

Also, last time I checked, the Heat and Mavs won the last two titles without a star pg. The Lakers won without a star pg. The Rockets won without a star pg. The Pistons won without a star pg (Billups is not a star). Also, for the delusional posters, LIN IS NOT A STAR PG, NOT REMOTELY and PROBABLY NEVER. Lin sucks thus far this season and has inferior stats to Felton. Welcome to reality! LOL!

This team is built around Melo and Amar'e carrying the offense and if both are out the offense will struggle noticeably. Blaming Felton is laughable.

I know you kids are starved to scream I told you so about Felton so have at it. However, I will not pretend that Lin has been better than Felton. LoL!

You don't need a "star" pg to win

You need a smart PG to win.

Felton is a dumb PG

I don't believe Felton is dumb. That is a pretty childish statement. Felton's TO are generally low. Felton generally makes smart plays. Felton's shooting is not great but Felton's primary role in the offense is not to shoot when we have a healthy team. What part of this simple statement don't you understand.

In a situation like today, who else was gonna take the shots. Brewer can't create. Chandler can't create. Kidd can't create. Novak can't create. Prig generally does not create. The only creators were JR, Copeland and Felton so they were the ones that were going to take the shots and dominate the ball. It's literally common sense.

There are a few Knicks that did not play great today but for some reason the focus is on Felton. LoL!

As for Lin. He is inferior to Felton across the board, stat wise. Lin has been a debacle and absolute disappointment. The fact that people are in this thread and pretending otherwise is ABSURD and reeks of bias.

The more you post the dumber you appear to be.

Kid's, like you, typically resort to ad hominem attacks when they have nothing of substance or intelligence to say. No surprise here.

Nupe, nobody has attacked anybody tonight and we have had very amicable discussions.

Talk about childish, reread your post and them you shall learn about maturity.

Its okay, I have had many weak moments too, I just try to be less blind than you do.

You made a statement calling me dumb merely because we do not share the same opinion regarding Felton. Now you claim calling someone dumb is not a personal attack. LoL!

NUPE wrote:I am not happy about this loss but won't worry.

We have a lot to look forward to.

Melo will be back this week.

Amar'e will be playing next week.

Shumpert will be back in January most likely.

I look forward to seeing how things mesh. If those things happen I don't expect to see many more losses like tonight.

I'm with you. Bad losses happen. We were not gonna go 41-0 at home, even at full-strength. It's like Lord of the Flies here after a loss sometimes, LOL. It's not that serious. We've still got the best record in the East last I checked. We'll be fine. Can't wait til we get Melo back, and then Amar'e and Shump. Good times so far, better times soon to come. :)

mrKnickShot wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

NUPE wrote:It's hilarious to me that you have people in here trumpeting Lin over Felton as if Lin has not been ass-cheeks this year. Literally trash. It is not even debatable. Are we going to pretend Lin has not been complete trash this year?!?! LMAO! Yea, I will take Felton.

Also, last time I checked, the Heat and Mavs won the last two titles without a star pg. The Lakers won without a star pg. The Rockets won without a star pg. The Pistons won without a star pg (Billups is not a star). Also, for the delusional posters, LIN IS NOT A STAR PG, NOT REMOTELY and PROBABLY NEVER. Lin sucks thus far this season and has inferior stats to Felton. Welcome to reality! LOL!

This team is built around Melo and Amar'e carrying the offense and if both are out the offense will struggle noticeably. Blaming Felton is laughable.

I know you kids are starved to scream I told you so about Felton so have at it. However, I will not pretend that Lin has been better than Felton. LoL!

You don't need a "star" pg to win

You need a smart PG to win.

Felton is a dumb PG

He looks smarter when we are at full strength. To me it's like saying Derek fisher is a dumb point guard if he is asked to turn scorer vs. role player.

What is full strength?

He has looked pretty awful even with Melo

And, even with Melo out, how many times did he miss the open man? Every time.

I'm glad even with his "awful" play we could be 18 and 6. No disrespect but a comment like that is just inaccurate. So he has looked pretty awful all season with Melo? What games are u watching? 2nd most efficient offense in the league and he doesn't have a hand in that?

He does.

His turnovers are low which is good. His defense has been passable. His teammates like him - and he is likable.

I am talking about how he has played in the last number of games.

Did you check out his season numbers? Give it a peek.

A worse shooting year that last year in Portland? Are you not nervous about him?

Does the bone bruise play any part? Also the return of your guy(Amar'e) is coming at a good time. Felton want be force to continue down the lane waiting on an angle to lob it to chandler. He will have a player that he can play pick and pop with.

Felton's play has been horrible and the quick three and early 22 footer off the pnr is sickening. Hopefully when everyone gets back he can heal up and be a spot up shooter/PnR penetrator.

VCoug wrote:

dk7th wrote:felton almost never gets to the line and that's one problem among many. no savvy to his game at all-- that's another problem.

the knicks are very boring to watch with him trying to run things.

39TS% wow is that bad.

that said the defense was very bad.

Our defense has been bad for a while now. We currently have the 17th ranked defense according to http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013.html. In opponents' fg% we're ranked 22nd and the teams below us are Toronto, Houston, Charlotte, New Orleans, Brooklyn, Portland, Cleveland, and Phoenix; in opponents' 3P% we're ranked 23rd ahead of Philly, Charlotte, Houston, LA Clippers, Denver, Phoenix, and New Orleans; and in opponents' eFG% we're ranked 24th only better than Houston, Charlotte, Portland, Phoenix, New Orleans, and Cleveland.

I think our biggest problem defensively is just an overall lack of defensive talent. Tyson is by far our best defensive player but he's not playing anywhere near the same level as last year; if he had played like this last year there's no way he would have won DPOY. And our other frontcourt players are either old and fragile, Sheed and Camby, poor defenders, Melo and Novak, or a combination of the two, Amare. Meanwhile, our backcourt defense is even worse. With Brewer's injuries leaving him pretty incapable Kidd has become our best backcourt defender. Unfortunately, he'll be 40 by the time the playoffs roll around and he's no one's idea of a shutdown defender. Felton and JR might as well be turnstiles out there for all the good they do and Prigioni's overall impact on the court is so negligible he might as well be invisible.

I don't care for JR but I think he has been pretty decent defensively. Melo too.

Tyson has been very underwhelming.

Kidd has been ok though awful tonight.

Felton gives effort but allows too much penetration.

Brewer has been declining pretty badly.

Our worst defender has gotten better (Novak). I know that sounds crazy but he is less awful.

mrKnickShot wrote:

VCoug wrote:

dk7th wrote:felton almost never gets to the line and that's one problem among many. no savvy to his game at all-- that's another problem.

the knicks are very boring to watch with him trying to run things.

39TS% wow is that bad.

that said the defense was very bad.

Our defense has been bad for a while now. We currently have the 17th ranked defense according to http://www.basketball-reference.com/leagues/NBA_2013.html. In opponents' fg% we're ranked 22nd and the teams below us are Toronto, Houston, Charlotte, New Orleans, Brooklyn, Portland, Cleveland, and Phoenix; in opponents' 3P% we're ranked 23rd ahead of Philly, Charlotte, Houston, LA Clippers, Denver, Phoenix, and New Orleans; and in opponents' eFG% we're ranked 24th only better than Houston, Charlotte, Portland, Phoenix, New Orleans, and Cleveland.

I think our biggest problem defensively is just an overall lack of defensive talent. Tyson is by far our best defensive player but he's not playing anywhere near the same level as last year; if he had played like this last year there's no way he would have won DPOY. And our other frontcourt players are either old and fragile, Sheed and Camby, poor defenders, Melo and Novak, or a combination of the two, Amare. Meanwhile, our backcourt defense is even worse. With Brewer's injuries leaving him pretty incapable Kidd has become our best backcourt defender. Unfortunately, he'll be 40 by the time the playoffs roll around and he's no one's idea of a shutdown defender. Felton and JR might as well be turnstiles out there for all the good they do and Prigioni's overall impact on the court is so negligible he might as well be invisible.

I don't care for JR but I think he has been pretty decent defensively. Melo too.

Tyson has been very underwhelming.

Kidd has been ok though awful tonight.

Felton gives effort but allows too much penetration.

Brewer has been declining pretty badly.

Our worst defender has gotten better (Novak). I know that sounds crazy but he is less awful.

Melo and JR are definitely better this year defensively but they're still aren't particularly good and probably never will be. Unfortunately, with Brewer's injuries and everyone else's poor play Kidd has had to match-up defensively with the other team's best backcourt player.

FoeDiddy wrote:I guess this is just human nature for some..we could be 23 and 1 and this board would over react to the one loss. I know my expectations coming into this season and they have more than surpassed that so far. For me that's good enough for me right now.

Who is complaining about one game? I have been complaining about Felton for a while.

This season (and last years ending (reg season)) has way surpassed my expectations.

I still worry about a glaring problem.

I worry that Felton and JR will kill us in the playoffs. That is a valid worry.

I know we will make the playoffs but what can we do once we get there? Do you want to live and die with Felton and JR? I don't.

Melo can't be the sole scorer while players like JR and Felton shoot 30 percent. We won't and can't win that way.

mrKnickShot wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:I guess this is just human nature for some..we could be 23 and 1 and this board would over react to the one loss. I know my expectations coming into this season and they have more than surpassed that so far. For me that's good enough for me right now.

Who is complaining about one game? I have been complaining about Felton for a while.

This season (and last years ending (reg season)) has way surpassed my expectations.

I still worry about a glaring problem.

I worry that Felton and JR will kill us in the playoffs. That is a valid worry.

I know we will make the playoffs but what can we do once we get there? Do you want to live and die with Felton and JR? I don't.

Melo can't be the sole scorer while players like JR and Felton shoot 30 percent. We won't and can't win that way.

Those are very valid concerns. But can't be blind to the fact some of our injuries escalate those concerns. Amare injured most of season and melo out 3 games had put Felton in a position he wasn't brought here for. That at least has to be recognized. And to not recognize in Amare absence Felton's good perfomances is bias. He has done a commendable job most nights in providing offense and initiating offense. JR the same. Outside his 7 game slump he hasn't been bad.

FoeDiddy wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:I guess this is just human nature for some..we could be 23 and 1 and this board would over react to the one loss. I know my expectations coming into this season and they have more than surpassed that so far. For me that's good enough for me right now.

Who is complaining about one game? I have been complaining about Felton for a while.

This season (and last years ending (reg season)) has way surpassed my expectations.

I still worry about a glaring problem.

I worry that Felton and JR will kill us in the playoffs. That is a valid worry.

I know we will make the playoffs but what can we do once we get there? Do you want to live and die with Felton and JR? I don't.

Melo can't be the sole scorer while players like JR and Felton shoot 30 percent. We won't and can't win that way.

Those are very valid concerns. But can't be blind to the fact some of our injuries escalate those concerns. Amare injured most of season and melo out 3 games had put Felton in a position he wasn't brought here for. That at least has to be recognized. And to not recognize in Amare absence Felton's good perfomances is bias. He has done a commendable job most nights in providing offense and initiating offense. JR the same. Outside his 7 game slump he hasn't been bad.

Yeah. I think we're a team that can get by and even be successful with a couple of guys hurt. But, 5 guys hurt? Including the superstar and second scoring option? And our perimeter defensive specialist? And a key guy off the bench (Sheed)? It starts to add up. It's not about making excuses. But, the injuries catch up to a team. There's only so much you can do when more and more guys are sitting on the bench in street clothes instead of being out on the court.

I think Felton has played decent ball considering the circumstances.