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12/7/2005  1:52 AM
Posted by rain:

McK1 is right.. Ridnour played a great game in the first half. Played good D on Marbury. Marbury played very good defense on Ray.

At this point Ridnour is good player. He will be a very good role player on a successful team. A role is something Marbury, at this point, has to learn to play. He should learn to defer, and move the ball when he's not hitting from outside. Truth is, Marbury could use a ridnour is his game.

I'm sure the Sonics wouldn't mind if Ridnour developed the ability to beat anyone in the league off the dribble either.
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12/7/2005  1:54 AM
Posted by rain:

McK1 is right.. Ridnour played a great game in the first half. Played good D on Marbury. Marbury played very good defense on Ray.

At this point Ridnour is good player. He will be a very good role player on a successful team. A role is something Marbury, at this point, has to learn to play. He should learn to defer, and move the ball when he's not hitting from outside. Truth is, Marbury could use a ridnour is his game.

thx 4 the assist.

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12/7/2005  2:00 AM
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by rain:

McK1 is right.. Ridnour played a great game in the first half. Played good D on Marbury. Marbury played very good defense on Ray.

At this point Ridnour is good player. He will be a very good role player on a successful team. A role is something Marbury, at this point, has to learn to play. He should learn to defer, and move the ball when he's not hitting from outside. Truth is, Marbury could use a ridnour is his game.

I'm sure the Sonics wouldn't mind if Ridnour developed the ability to beat anyone in the league off the dribble either.


noone on NY ever forced him to pick his dribble up and he went where he wanted to go. Attacking the rim for points isn't his strong suit yet. He's 24 beginning his second year as a starter. He has time to learn.


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12/7/2005  2:00 AM
nice win, we played stupid in the first half, but in the second half, jamal got hot, frye was great, and we played smarter, with ariza and nate in the game, we got up on the threes, I mean that is all the sonics want to do, they are really not that hard to defend because we know what they want to do, they want to shoot threes. Period.. As I expected, ray allen is the real play maker on that team, Ridnour is weak on defense, and really on offense he does nothing more than bring the ball up court for Ray to run the offense, ridnour is not a bad player but a average one, like I suspected....
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12/7/2005  2:02 AM
I don't like Penny, but given what we have at SF, he can be of help. I'd definitely rather see him at SF than Rose. At least he can handle and pass a bit from the 3, and as absolutely terrible as his jumper is, it can't be any worse than Malik's.
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12/7/2005  2:06 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by rain:

McK1 is right.. Ridnour played a great game in the first half. Played good D on Marbury. Marbury played very good defense on Ray.

At this point Ridnour is good player. He will be a very good role player on a successful team. A role is something Marbury, at this point, has to learn to play. He should learn to defer, and move the ball when he's not hitting from outside. Truth is, Marbury could use a ridnour is his game.

I'm sure the Sonics wouldn't mind if Ridnour developed the ability to beat anyone in the league off the dribble either.


noone on NY ever forced him to pick his dribble up and he went where he wanted to go. Attacking the rim for points isn't his strong suit yet. He's 24 beginning his second year as a starter. He has time to learn.


you just don't get it, ridnour is no better than Earl watson, brevin knight, or smush parker for that matter. The guy does a lot of juking and jumping around but it gets him nowhere, he plays on a team with two guys averaging over 20ppg I think and he still just averages 6.9 APG... why is that? because ray allen usually runs the offense, along with lewis... why was flip murray playing a lot of point tonight? is it because they didn't want to bother with ridnours great dishing? The guy is average as grits... why you continue this discussion is mind boggling..
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12/7/2005  2:06 AM
Posted by tkf:

nice win, we played stupid in the first half, but in the second half, jamal got hot, frye was great, and we played smarter, with ariza and nate in the game, we got up on the threes, I mean that is all the sonics want to do, they are really not that hard to defend because we know what they want to do, they want to shoot threes. Period.. As I expected, ray allen is the real play maker on that team, Ridnour is weak on defense, and really on offense he does nothing more than bring the ball up court for Ray to run the offense, ridnour is not a bad player but a average one, like I suspected....

Go rewind the tape. Ray Allen did nothing but get the ball and gun. Seattles offense flowed when Ridnour ran it.

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12/7/2005  2:07 AM
Posted by McK1:

you watched the game. Ray got the ball and went black hole.

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he has to, outside of lewis, there are no other scorers, I men his PG sure can't score...

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12/7/2005  2:11 AM
when Luke and Flip were in the game together Flip went back off the ball. When Flip was in there with Gerald Wilkins Flip was on the ball.

I know you are a fan of the score every point guard and probably believe it is the point guards job to dribble up 20 seconds of the clock then drive and shoot or look for an open man if your shot isn't there. Hence you see Malik Rose taking a ton of 15-20 footers with the shot clock winding down...

Ridnour isn't called on to score. His job is to distribute. He had 12 and 9 for the record.


[Edited by - McK1 on 12-07-2005 02:11 AM]
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12/7/2005  2:13 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by crzymdups:
Posted by rain:

McK1 is right.. Ridnour played a great game in the first half. Played good D on Marbury. Marbury played very good defense on Ray.

At this point Ridnour is good player. He will be a very good role player on a successful team. A role is something Marbury, at this point, has to learn to play. He should learn to defer, and move the ball when he's not hitting from outside. Truth is, Marbury could use a ridnour is his game.

I'm sure the Sonics wouldn't mind if Ridnour developed the ability to beat anyone in the league off the dribble either.

noone on NY ever forced him to pick his dribble up and he went where he wanted to go. Attacking the rim for points isn't his strong suit yet. He's 24 beginning his second year as a starter. He has time to learn.

He's a nice player, I never said he wasn't. He's undersized on defense and teams take advantage of that. Crawford contained him pretty well when he was on him in the second half. I'm just saying that he's not in Marbury's league; it's not a slight, few are.
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12/7/2005  2:18 AM
Posted by tkf:
Posted by McK1:

you watched the game. Ray got the ball and went black hole.

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he has to, outside of lewis, there are no other scorers, I men his PG sure can't score...


this is a dumb uninformed statement. Flip and Vlad can score. Nick can score and so can Fortson. Ray didn't get away with alot of the things he did tonight under Nate last season. Seattle moved the ball and played the possession game. Of course you knew this which is why you commented on Luke's play with the phrase like I suspected

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12/7/2005  2:20 AM
Posted by McK1:

when Luke and Flip were in the game together Flip went back off the ball. When Flip was in there with Gerald Wilkins Flip was on the ball.

I know you are a fan of the score every point guard and probably believe it is the point guards job to dribble up 20 seconds of the clock then drive and shoot or look for an open man if your shot isn't there. Hence you see Malik Rose taking a ton of 15-20 footers with the shot clock winding down...

Ridnour isn't called on to score. His job is to distribute. He had 12 and 9 for the record.


[Edited by - McK1 on 12-07-2005 02:11 AM]

Marbury hasn't been pounding the ball at all, he often passes it with like 17 to go on the shot clock. The reason you see those awful shots from Rose is A) he's on the floor when he shouldn't be, playing out of position and B) apparently it's a function of Larry Brown's offense to have everyone pass to AD, wait for him to make a befuddled look and then pass it back to them.

The reason the offense isn't flowing when the starters are in is the starters surrounding Marbury have been pathetic. The starting unit has no scorer other than Marbury until Curry gets his game back, and it's got turnover machines in Nate, AD and Malik. It's no shock that Marbury has no problem racking up assists and leads with Frye and Crawford in the game - those are the team's best two weapons outside of Marbury. If he was playing with the right people, instead of being forced to play with 37 yr old granmas who play the right way, he'd be fine and this team would be over .500.

Marbury had 16pts, 8asts and the game clinching basket, as long as we're keeping records.
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12/7/2005  2:28 AM
Marbury hasn't been pounding the ball at all,

I can respect your side of it until you post such gross inaccurracies, then it just becomes a shouting match.

only posted Ridnour's numbers b/c tkf claims he can't score.

Steph was wholly ineffective. Out of this world shooting by Crawford and Frye when Steph was on the bench won NY the game.

[Edited by - McK1 on 12-07-2005 02:28 AM]
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12/7/2005  4:03 AM
Posted by SlimPack:

on a more positive note, frye had 7 rebounds horaaayyyy

[Edited by - slimpack on 12-07-2005 12:58 AM]

Notice that Frye didn't start last night coming off two onsecutive 3 rebound games.
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12/7/2005  5:50 AM
I guess you see how it is Mck1 when you are defending a player rather than bashing one. And they aren't even bashing. Imagine if they did want to go to the extreme and call Ridnour a scrub 2nd tier PG.

This has nothing to do with the arguement but just imagine you were to have Ray Allen and Lewis & Rodmanovic's shooting ability around Marbury's ability to collapse the defense.
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12/7/2005  6:07 AM
One more thing. People were dissing Crawford calling him a loser. And how getting rid of him is what got the bulls to win. How Ben Gordan is such a stud. Which he is. He comes up big. But using Gordans success to put down Crawford. But see how Crawford gets a similar role to what Gordan got and is flourishing.

If Crawford didn't get KO'd he would have carried us vs Boston for a W to.
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12/7/2005  7:40 AM
I gotta say the game was freaking boring all night (too many fouls)until Crawford took over. Seattle sucks and the Knicks should beat them everyday of the week. Seattle missed alot of 3pt bombs....especially all the timely ones....that's probably why they lost.

Great win on the road at Key Arena!

Penny to save the say??!?!?!?! lol. If the Knicks can somehow merge Penny and Ariza together you will come up with a real NBA player.

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12/7/2005  8:22 AM
Posted by McK1:
Posted by rain:

McK1 is right.. Ridnour played a great game in the first half. Played good D on Marbury. Marbury played very good defense on Ray.

At this point Ridnour is good player. He will be a very good role player on a successful team. A role is something Marbury, at this point, has to learn to play. He should learn to defer, and move the ball when he's not hitting from outside. Truth is, Marbury could use a ridnour is his game.

thx 4 the assist.

talking to some of these guys you'd think basketball was invented on PS2 or XBox.

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12/7/2005  9:19 AM
Posted by martin:

Penny was rusty, but anyone like his play?

Yes. Penny actually was excellent in his role. He was a backup PG, got the ball to the bigs with easy and made many other solid passes, and no turnovers. His shot is stuck on 'BRICK', but he is solid as a backup just bringing the ball up and making the right pass.

Plus that defensive play he made at the end was KEY!! Solid game from Penny, he played like Ridenhour.
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12/7/2005  9:24 AM
We needed this one big time! Nice to see the Knicks completing a comeback and staying strong while the other team makes its final run. Marbury, Frye and Crawford were all great, all have been solid for the Knicks lately. Its amazing how we always start losing big with the starting lineup and the 2nd unit always saves the day. Frye needs to claim that starting nod soon, for the sake of the team. He needs to keep rebounding, like he did yesterday. Only then may we see Lee again off the bench, and that would be another plus for NY. Rose, I'm not having a problem with him now, but would be nice if we could get a backup PG or a SF for him. We still don't know what Woods will bring to this team, so SF is still a concern.
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