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houston20
Posts: 20484 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 9/18/2019 Member: #8797 |
6/7/2025 6:14 PM
Knicksfan wrote:martin wrote:Mavs to Knicks: up your offerTweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: I kind of knew Kidd wasn’t going to come here because mavs needed a coach as well if the knicks hired Kidd before the draft. Plus Kidd was going to coach cooper Flagg there was no way the knicks were going to get permission to talk to Kidd. |
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Uptown
Posts: 31285 Alba Posts: 3 Joined: 4/1/2008 Member: #1883 |
6/7/2025 9:45 PM
GustavBahler wrote:martin wrote:Mavs to Knicks: up your offerTweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: Wouldn't be surprised if Kidd gets an extention when it's all said and done...Knicks helped Kidd get more money and he was happy to play along. Bryant was our man all along |
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BigDaddyG
Posts: 39731 Alba Posts: 9 Joined: 1/22/2010 Member: #3049 |
6/7/2025 11:17 PM
One player? We all know who it is. Still, these leaks aren't really warranted. The man is gone. Stop trying to distract us from the fact that we need a coach.
Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: Always... always remember: Less is less. More is more. More is better and twice as much is good too. Not enough is bad, and too much is never enough except when it's just about right.
- The Tick
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Knicksfan
Posts: 33457 Alba Posts: 27 Joined: 7/5/2004 Member: #691 USA |
6/8/2025 12:28 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:One player? We all know who it is. Still, these leaks aren't really warranted. The man is gone. Stop trying to distract us from the fact that we need a coach.Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: Gossip sells and people like to reduce things, like if this was all done because one player made a comment like that? We know that was probably in the making for way longer than the exit interviews and for his many strengths, Thibs had many, many flaws as well. Next coach has big shoes to fill, though. Knicks_Fan
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Philc1
Posts: 28271 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 9/2/2020 Member: #8897 |
6/8/2025 9:38 AM LAST EDITED: 6/8/2025 9:40 AM
BigDaddyG wrote:One player? We all know who it is. Still, these leaks aren't really warranted. The man is gone. Stop trying to distract us from the fact that we need a coach.Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL: I wouldn’t be shocked if most of the roster had gotten tired of Thibs. He had a big blowup with Hart on the sideline of the warriors game and Hart is Mr Team-First Culture
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Nalod
Posts: 71036 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
6/8/2025 10:51 AM
https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/breaking-news/article/sources-some-knicks-players-werent-thrilled-with-tom-thibodeau-with-his-firing-being-spearheaded-by-owner-james-dolan-225418057.html
Same article but more gossip or info. Not sure I'd totally indict Dolan here but if true one has to conclude if Leon was adamant about keeping him he'd still be here, or he walks? To a small degree im disappointed to have read this....... |
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Clean
Posts: 30300 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 8/22/2004 Member: #743 |
6/8/2025 11:41 PM
Interesting all these NBA players now talking about the same flaws I been saying Thibs had for years but when I said it I had an agenda. Hopefully posters here can stop calling criticism as agenda pushing or hating if its the truth.
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blkexec
Posts: 28292 Alba Posts: 0 Joined: 9/3/2004 Member: #748 |
6/9/2025 7:03 AM LAST EDITED: 6/9/2025 7:04 AM
Clean wrote:Interesting all these NBA players now talking about the same flaws There’s a small community of UK fans saying the same thing which is why the FIRE THIGS thread lasted for 3 yrs. I’m glad he went out on top. Should make his coaching resume strong. I feel for the guy because he put his heart and soul into the Knicks for 5 years. The domino affect with the players and assistants (Rick Brunson?) will be interesting. Born in Brooklyn, Raised in Queens, Lives in Maryland.
The future is bright, I'm a Knicks fan for life!
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HofstraBBall
Posts: 27938 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 11/21/2015 Member: #6192 |
6/9/2025 7:17 AM
Nalod wrote:https://sports.yahoo.com/nba/breaking-news/article/sources-some-knicks-players-werent-thrilled-with-tom-thibodeau-with-his-firing-being-spearheaded-by-owner-james-dolan-225418057.html IF TRUE, Maybe this speaks to why we lost. And I am not talking about Thibs. However, If true, losing the faith of your players will absolutely get you fired. Regardless how Rose feels about players doing what I mentioned above, he would realize Thibs had to go. Questions is, how does he feel about the players doing so. Does he see it as a flaw like I do? Does he get rid of those that did? Was it Dolan? Who is accustomed to throwing others under the bus? 'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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HofstraBBall
Posts: 27938 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 11/21/2015 Member: #6192 |
6/9/2025 7:41 AM LAST EDITED: 6/9/2025 8:32 AM
Clean wrote:Interesting all these NBA players now talking about the same flaws I been saying Thibs had for years but when I said it I had an agenda. Hopefully posters here can stop calling criticism as agenda pushing or hating if its the truth. What did you hate the most about his coaching? And who do you feel will carry out a much different approach. Definitely think he was stubborn with minutes and letting bench guys develop during season. If you watch most NBA teams including OKC (top team), you will see constant sets of double hand offs followed with a PnR with SGA or Williams going ISO. Same sets Knick fans complained Thibs ran. Rumors have been about getting guys like Kidd or Malone. Two Coaches who also love ISO and playing their starters long minutes? So again, who would you get instead that’s a realistic possibility? My two gripes with the anti Thibs crowd is that they failed to realize they were watching the NBA and not NCAA basketball. Meaning they wanted to see a whole bunch of fancy multi passing offensive plays. In a league dominated by ISO and individual play. 'Knicks focus should be on players that have grown up playing soccer or cricket' - Triplethreat 8/28/2020
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Nalod
Posts: 71036 Alba Posts: 155 Joined: 12/24/2003 Member: #508 USA |
6/9/2025 8:09 AM LAST EDITED: 6/9/2025 8:15 AM
What Im seeing is a team that is very very talented and paid as suc with empowerment issues once the "brotherhood" thing novelty wears off. Thibs rode that as long as he could and thats not a bad thing. Leon put it together. Its not like the guys all have been here 5 years and ran into a wall. Thibs I believe is the 4th most winning coach after Red, Riles, JVG out of 31 in their history. Great era where he starts as COY and made a lot out of a limited roster. One could talk about his deficiencies all day long and be right, but the man did well. This until he was given this roster and while not all his fault given injuries to the bench early, he demonstrated he is not the coach for this group. Clean, you were right and congratulations. But you cannot quantify at what stage it should have been done and if the results would have been better doing it early. Nobody can. Rose now has to extend Mikal, and get a coach that can configure how to best use the talents of KAT, get a 2 guard starter and Hart to the bench, and some how make sure the Brunson are happy. All while getting a coach that has experience, make it fun for the players while being tough, has a deep understanding of the hostile NY media market that fuels the most sophisticated fan base and the dumbest testosterone laden basement dwelling Bing Bong crowd at the same time, and lsat and most important knows how to read a subway map. All the while good to not have an DUI, domestic violence history, likes the East coast, took a team to the finals, preferable not under current contract, was a former client of Leon or currently with CAA, has no Triangle ties, if from the Popovich tree (who came from Larry Brown), and of course we all agree on. Naturally fans will find an aspect to said coach they don't like with no consideration a man can change or mature. So I guess Luke Walton won't work? Most of the base is hitched on Jason Kidd who will parlay this into a fat ass extension in Dallas as his team would look stupid losing another asset to Knicks or Durmont finds a way to throw him under the bus and let us have him for two 2nd round picks. At least we have this to keep us busy and a Giannis starphuch concept to chew on for a while. I think we take for granted KAT focusing on his drop back defensive lapse then what it would take to make it easier for him to score. 24 and 12 per game is freaking elite. |
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EwingsGlass
Posts: 27451 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 4/29/2005 Member: #893 USA |
6/9/2025 9:22 AM
HofstraBBall wrote:Clean wrote:Interesting all these NBA players now talking about the same flaws I been saying Thibs had for years but when I said it I had an agenda. Hopefully posters here can stop calling criticism as agenda pushing or hating if its the truth. I kind of agree with you but will mince words with the term "dominated" by iso. Offenses are 'predominantly' ISO, but in recent years are 'dominated' by the teams running modern motion offenses. At least on a Plus/Minus basis. Notwithstanding the ISO structure, there is a lack of offball movement that is really the flaw I see in the Knicks' offense this past year. I prefer more passing to put pressure on the defense. That might fall into your NCAA vs NBA comment. I just thought the offense looked more like the stagnant mess from when I was calling for his removal than the January 2024 team that felt like it was destined to win it all until Randle got Vazquez'd. Begs the question how much is the coach and how much is the players. I do think that the teams like Cleveland, Boston, OKC (and Indiana) that have long wingspan athletic defenders and high release 3 point shooters with a motion offense and sets that prioritize open 3s and getting to long rebounds will have a mathematical advantage over traditional iso sets. The ability to put two way players at every position is more important than pure offensive talent. So, who is the coach for this team? I was a bit surprised by the Kidd talk. Mostly for the reasons you suggest. He has a good team behind him but otherwise follows the same iso heavy mind sets you talk about. Malone is similar to Thibs but I'll be honest, despite possibly developing KAT in the same manner as Jokic, I don't really see the upside or difference. But I'd expect the next coach to make better use of KAT in a more KAT-helio-centric scheme. I am surprised Bud isn't talked about more. Phoenix was a disaster, but I don't blame Bud. Not sure who to blame - probably Matt Ishbia for buying too much usage and not enough defense. Johnnie Bryant is my cinderella story. Would love to see him come in a crush it. Not sure how much of Johnnie's energy and development translates into wins. No one does. But I certainly missed his effect here. Dan Hurley is my dynastic legend, but he seems to be more interested in remaining NCAA royalty. I get it. I'm sticking with Bryant and want to figure out who his #2 should be. You know I gonna spin wit it
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Philc1
Posts: 28271 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 9/2/2020 Member: #8897 |
6/9/2025 9:35 AM
EwingsGlass wrote:jaydh wrote:Philc1 wrote:I wouldn’t be shocked if most of the roster had gotten tired of Thibs. He had a big blowup with Hart on the sideline of the warriors game and Hart is Mr Team-First Culture I don’t think it was just Mikal. |
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fishmike
Posts: 53800 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 7/19/2002 Member: #298 USA |
6/9/2025 10:57 AM
I have said for a long time Thibs is not going anywhere unless he underperforms (first round exit) or looses the locker room.
Now I am starting to think I was right all along. There is no way this is one player. This has to be a significant group at the top of the roster who clearly said "can we move on from this guy." There is simply no other explanation. Thibs was Leon's guy. He's been here 5 years and aside from the Kemba/Fournier year its been all up in like every area. His 3 year extension kicks in next year. This was clear a situation Leon thought was not fixable and had to swiftly move on. "winning is more fun... then fun is fun" -Thibs
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ramtour420
Posts: 26249 Alba Posts: 1 Joined: 3/19/2007 Member: #1388 Russian Federation |
6/9/2025 11:21 AM LAST EDITED: 6/9/2025 11:24 AM
fishmike wrote:I have said for a long time Thibs is not going anywhere unless he underperforms (first round exit) or looses the locker room. Agree. The closest thing we have to a coach right now is still " Mavs are expected to deny Kidd talks with the Knicks" Which tells me the firing was done without an established plan. So the pieces fit Everything you have ever wanted is on the other side of fear- George Adair
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Philc1
Posts: 28271 Alba Posts: 2 Joined: 9/2/2020 Member: #8897 |
6/9/2025 2:34 PM
fishmike wrote:I have said for a long time Thibs is not going anywhere unless he underperforms (first round exit) or looses the locker room. Rose knows this roster has a 2-3 year window. This is also an offense heavy roster. He needs an offensive coach now. If you watched our offense in the playoffs there was 0.0 creativity it was either ISO-Brunson or ISO-KAT |