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Great news. It means we will not be get fleeced by Ainge. The other teams who looking into a trade don't matter since their assets can't compare. The Lakers trade talk makes me believe that if we trade for Mitchell the FO does not think Randle fits the team anymore. I actually don't think he fits now but that is another story. Every time I think of Obi playing with a real PG and Mitchell I envision so many wide open dunks due to all the attention they will get and their willingness to pass it to the open man.

Since it looks like the FO does not want to give up players and picks I hope they are going along the offseason like they are expecting everyone back. This is going to be a very important season with or without Mitchell.

Shams is clearly Ainges stooge when it comes to reporting in the D-Mitch trade, basically a press release for him- says essentially Ainge will accept the Knicks offer when they include 6-8 picks AND Obi, IQ AND Grimes. He can shove it!

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Shandon Anderson gets no love?

EwingsGlass wrote:Loved the idea of a Spida trade but at this point, I have deal fatigue and would rather focus on some more reasonable improvements to the squad. Would love to bring Donovan Mitchell to NY someday, he is still young and maybe at the trade deadline or next year will be better.

I kind of want to see how Toppin and Robinson work with Brunson. I’ve long said that both just need a solid PG to blossom.

I am pretty low on Barrett and Randle right now. Mostly because their usages are high and their efficiency are low. Their willingness to defend keeps them in my conversation. Conversely, Fournier’s efficiency is high but his defense is suspect. Kind of wish there was a simple fix. I don’t think putting Fournier next to Brunson on defense is a great idea.

Otherwise, I like that the youths may get more minutes. I think they should consolidate a little somewhere amongst the guards.

Kind of want to see Cam get some run.

But mostly, I don’t want to hamstring the Knicks in wheeling and dealing. They have been adding good value and want to keep giving them the chance to do so.

See….I would lean one way. Then I read a post like this and I’m back the other way.

Knicks and this FO has given us a healthy system of picks, yoots while competitive enough to make the playin. We are on the best position we’ve ever been in from what I remember with our balance of vets and yoots and picks and flexibility.

blkexec wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Loved the idea of a Spida trade but at this point, I have deal fatigue and would rather focus on some more reasonable improvements to the squad. Would love to bring Donovan Mitchell to NY someday, he is still young and maybe at the trade deadline or next year will be better.

I kind of want to see how Toppin and Robinson work with Brunson. I’ve long said that both just need a solid PG to blossom.

I am pretty low on Barrett and Randle right now. Mostly because their usages are high and their efficiency are low. Their willingness to defend keeps them in my conversation. Conversely, Fournier’s efficiency is high but his defense is suspect. Kind of wish there was a simple fix. I don’t think putting Fournier next to Brunson on defense is a great idea.

Otherwise, I like that the youths may get more minutes. I think they should consolidate a little somewhere amongst the guards.

Kind of want to see Cam get some run.

But mostly, I don’t want to hamstring the Knicks in wheeling and dealing. They have been adding good value and want to keep giving them the chance to do so.

See….I would lean one way. Then I read a post like this and I’m back the other way.

Knicks and this FO has given us a healthy system of picks, yoots while competitive enough to make the playin. We are on the best position we’ve ever been in from what I remember with our balance of vets and yoots and picks and flexibility.

Do McBride, Reddish, and Sims need or deserve any court time?

As is, a projected rotation of:

Brunson Rose
Fournier IQ
Barrett Grimes
Randle Toppin
Robinson Hartenstein

already skimps on minutes for a lot of those guys. If all the starters average 32 minutes, the bench guys only get 16. Of course there will be injuries and missed games but as is a trade where we turn 3 of those ten into D Mitchell makes sense. Thing is, there's not really much pressure for the Knicks because they comfortably control everyone's contracts for the next two seasons. There's also not a huge downside to doing that. The Knicks can use the first half of the season to see what they have. If Brunson, Barrett, Randle are playing 36 minutes and Rose is playing 25, someone else won't be getting much court time and could be a trade candidate.

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why do you have to remind me of that?

Kemet wrote:The Knicks at this moment have 5 SG contracts for next season ..
And none of the 6 SG mention below has the talent or skills to play the (SF) forward position.
1) Barrett
2) Fournier
3) Quickley (combo guard)
4) Grimes
5) Keels
And D.Mitchell also are a SG (combo-guard)

After the ending-contract Keven Knox & future first round pick trade for Cam Reddish, do you really want the same person to work out a trade for a super-star D.Mitchell with grimy Ainge ???

I think RJ is a SF.

Keels has looked as bad as any rookie we drafted in a long time. He is more likely to be waived than make our actual team.

Quick had a bad year overall but post all star break made a huge jump. I am not ready to trust him with the keys yet. I do see the potential though.

Grimes is a 3 and D that is looking to expand his game. He could start but it would be more like the starting PGs on a Lebron team. The fit for the team is more of the reason why instead of him being a legit NBA starter right now.

Mitchell is an upgraded EF. Smaller in size but way better player.

The most important reason why is because we need someone to be able to score when our team goes in our droughts we always go in. Randle did that for us that one year. However, he will not be able to replicate making all those contested mid range shots again.

gradyandrew wrote:

blkexec wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Loved the idea of a Spida trade but at this point, I have deal fatigue and would rather focus on some more reasonable improvements to the squad. Would love to bring Donovan Mitchell to NY someday, he is still young and maybe at the trade deadline or next year will be better.

I kind of want to see how Toppin and Robinson work with Brunson. I’ve long said that both just need a solid PG to blossom.

I am pretty low on Barrett and Randle right now. Mostly because their usages are high and their efficiency are low. Their willingness to defend keeps them in my conversation. Conversely, Fournier’s efficiency is high but his defense is suspect. Kind of wish there was a simple fix. I don’t think putting Fournier next to Brunson on defense is a great idea.

Otherwise, I like that the youths may get more minutes. I think they should consolidate a little somewhere amongst the guards.

Kind of want to see Cam get some run.

But mostly, I don’t want to hamstring the Knicks in wheeling and dealing. They have been adding good value and want to keep giving them the chance to do so.

See….I would lean one way. Then I read a post like this and I’m back the other way.

Knicks and this FO has given us a healthy system of picks, yoots while competitive enough to make the playin. We are on the best position we’ve ever been in from what I remember with our balance of vets and yoots and picks and flexibility.

Do McBride, Reddish, and Sims need or deserve any court time?

As is, a projected rotation of:

Brunson Rose
Fournier IQ
Barrett Grimes
Randle Toppin
Robinson Hartenstein

already skimps on minutes for a lot of those guys. If all the starters average 32 minutes, the bench guys only get 16. Of course there will be injuries and missed games but as is a trade where we turn 3 of those ten into D Mitchell makes sense. Thing is, there's not really much pressure for the Knicks because they comfortably control everyone's contracts for the next two seasons. There's also not a huge downside to doing that. The Knicks can use the first half of the season to see what they have. If Brunson, Barrett, Randle are playing 36 minutes and Rose is playing 25, someone else won't be getting much court time and could be a trade candidate.

We burned a 1st round draft pick on Reddish. Would love to see if he can tp into his potential get an actual return on our investment.

GustavBahler wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:I don’t understand the westbrook play with us unless FO wants to dump EF and Randle, pay the 15% kicker which is 15mil, and then dump 47mil on Westbrick? I know some fans want Obi, which is fine, but I don’t see the play unless there is another Brunson type signing to be made and want the cap for next summer. Not seeing much out there…

FO has to ask themselves, do you see Fournier and Randle being key cogs in a deep playoff team vs holding on to the extra picks/youngins Utah would want.

And then you factor in the salaries of Fournier and Randle 2-3 years out against the roster as a whole and who is on the market. NBA TV deal ends in 2024 and salary cap will skyrocket and perhaps without smoothing over the course of multiple years.

If the Lakers are somehow willing to move THEIR 2027 and/or 2029 picks - while getting the salaried players THEY want in the hopes that LeBron extends - in place of the Knicks' picks and/or the Knicks young players, then you think about moving Randle/Fournier/Rose/Cam.

Think our fan base is stuck with the rebuilding mindset. Not realizing we have been trying to rebuild since 2014. We were the 4th seed with Randle and much less in 2020. We need to keep going forward. Think Rose will only get rid of Randle if he gets a better, higher impact player in return.
No way he will do it to sacrifice this year for cap space and picks. Imo

Phil came in and talked about rebuilding , while adding good vets. And quickly flushed that plan , when he traded ROLO, and brought in Rose/Noah to start.

We are successfully rebuilding. We re-signed Mitch. Thats a franchise record, lol. Looks like RJ will be brought back as well. Thats rebuilding. I would argue it began during Fizdale's first season, when the FO soon into the season realized that this squad wasnt going anywhere. Started to shed contracts and tanked for the pick which would be Barrett.

We have more good, young players on the roster, than we've seen in years. As long as we dont clean house of all younger players, I'd say the rebuild has been going well for the last 4 years, through two regimes.

Phil had the right idea. Just too caught up in the past and wrong guy for the part. Draft picks did not work out.

Not complaining about where we are. Like where we are.
Think FO is doing a good job. Feel part of a rebuild is to add solid proven young players after building through draft. Feel Randle was the first. Think Brunson is good. Although a bit pricey. Feel next stage is to add a difference maker. DM is that. Just think we should use the Melo lesson and maybe get one in FA and not by gutting our youth. Which, imo, would be anything that gives up Grimes, IQ, RJ and multiple future picks.

I would be happy seeing what a "True" PG does with what we have. If we were able to get the 4 spot with much less, feel we can be real competitive with what we have.

Uptown wrote:

gradyandrew wrote:

blkexec wrote:

EwingsGlass wrote:Loved the idea of a Spida trade but at this point, I have deal fatigue and would rather focus on some more reasonable improvements to the squad. Would love to bring Donovan Mitchell to NY someday, he is still young and maybe at the trade deadline or next year will be better.

I kind of want to see how Toppin and Robinson work with Brunson. I’ve long said that both just need a solid PG to blossom.

I am pretty low on Barrett and Randle right now. Mostly because their usages are high and their efficiency are low. Their willingness to defend keeps them in my conversation. Conversely, Fournier’s efficiency is high but his defense is suspect. Kind of wish there was a simple fix. I don’t think putting Fournier next to Brunson on defense is a great idea.

Otherwise, I like that the youths may get more minutes. I think they should consolidate a little somewhere amongst the guards.

Kind of want to see Cam get some run.

But mostly, I don’t want to hamstring the Knicks in wheeling and dealing. They have been adding good value and want to keep giving them the chance to do so.

See….I would lean one way. Then I read a post like this and I’m back the other way.

Knicks and this FO has given us a healthy system of picks, yoots while competitive enough to make the playin. We are on the best position we’ve ever been in from what I remember with our balance of vets and yoots and picks and flexibility.

Do McBride, Reddish, and Sims need or deserve any court time?

As is, a projected rotation of:

Brunson Rose
Fournier IQ
Barrett Grimes
Randle Toppin
Robinson Hartenstein

already skimps on minutes for a lot of those guys. If all the starters average 32 minutes, the bench guys only get 16. Of course there will be injuries and missed games but as is a trade where we turn 3 of those ten into D Mitchell makes sense. Thing is, there's not really much pressure for the Knicks because they comfortably control everyone's contracts for the next two seasons. There's also not a huge downside to doing that. The Knicks can use the first half of the season to see what they have. If Brunson, Barrett, Randle are playing 36 minutes and Rose is playing 25, someone else won't be getting much court time and could be a trade candidate.

We burned a 1st round draft pick on Reddish. Would love to see if he can tp into his potential get an actual return on our investment.

A defensive lineup with Cam and Mitch would be nasty

Philc1 wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

GustavBahler wrote:

HofstraBBall wrote:

martin wrote:

Nalod wrote:I don’t understand the westbrook play with us unless FO wants to dump EF and Randle, pay the 15% kicker which is 15mil, and then dump 47mil on Westbrick? I know some fans want Obi, which is fine, but I don’t see the play unless there is another Brunson type signing to be made and want the cap for next summer. Not seeing much out there…

FO has to ask themselves, do you see Fournier and Randle being key cogs in a deep playoff team vs holding on to the extra picks/youngins Utah would want.

And then you factor in the salaries of Fournier and Randle 2-3 years out against the roster as a whole and who is on the market. NBA TV deal ends in 2024 and salary cap will skyrocket and perhaps without smoothing over the course of multiple years.

If the Lakers are somehow willing to move THEIR 2027 and/or 2029 picks - while getting the salaried players THEY want in the hopes that LeBron extends - in place of the Knicks' picks and/or the Knicks young players, then you think about moving Randle/Fournier/Rose/Cam.

Think our fan base is stuck with the rebuilding mindset. Not realizing we have been trying to rebuild since 2014. We were the 4th seed with Randle and much less in 2020. We need to keep going forward. Think Rose will only get rid of Randle if he gets a better, higher impact player in return.
No way he will do it to sacrifice this year for cap space and picks. Imo

Phil came in and talked about rebuilding , while adding good vets. And quickly flushed that plan , when he traded ROLO, and brought in Rose/Noah to start.

We are successfully rebuilding. We re-signed Mitch. Thats a franchise record, lol. Looks like RJ will be brought back as well. Thats rebuilding. I would argue it began during Fizdale's first season, when the FO soon into the season realized that this squad wasnt going anywhere. Started to shed contracts and tanked for the pick which would be Barrett.

We have more good, young players on the roster, than we've seen in years. As long as we dont clean house of all younger players, I'd say the rebuild has been going well for the last 4 years, through two regimes.

Phil had the right idea. Just too caught up in the past and wrong guy for the part. Draft picks did not work out.

Not complaining about where we are. Like where we are.
Think FO is doing a good job. Feel part of a rebuild is to add solid proven young players after building through draft. Feel Randle was the first. Think Brunson is good. Although a bit pricey. Feel next stage is to add a difference maker. DM is that. Just think we should use the Melo lesson and maybe get one in FA and not by gutting our youth. Which, imo, would be anything that gives up Grimes, IQ, RJ and multiple future picks.

I would be happy seeing what a "True" PG does with what we have. If we were able to get the 4 spot with much less, feel we can be real competitive with what we have.

We won 37 games with the Alec Burks dribble for 10 seconds on the perimeter and then pass to Randle for a turnaround brick offense last season. Brunson could make everyone on the roster better