Red1976 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:Being down 1-0 isn't the end of the world. I just hate the effort displayed out there today.

same feeling here ..... sometimes it is better to avoid the forum after a bad game because micro-analyzing every player mistakes is just bringing us nowhere (not talking about you but in general) ... I can understand the frustration of some but still it is not like any of the players in any of the team remaining in the playoffs never do any mistakes or have any bad games ... but when it is a Knick player it seems like the end of the world

still time for the team to gather itself, correct some of the most obvious mistakes (even if some will still happens and despair some posters, living in a world of perfection) and more important and totally in their hands, play hard for 48 minutes ...

I agree, I'm most down about the lack of effort.

Annoying reading about how Hibbert 'dominated' defensively. He did that because he was allowed to foul at will- he should have fouled out at by the 4th Q.

dk7th wrote:

tkf wrote:

dk7th wrote:smith and melo each were 44TS% today.

you can get away with that in the regular season and look past HOW they are winning and console yourself in the short term by claiming "a win is a win." this is what i was repeatedly told, anyway.

you can get away with that against a seventh seed in the first round and look past HOW etc etc

i don't think you can get away with that in the real playoffs-- which started for the knicks this afternoon.

GOOD POINT... plus one thing the pacers don't have to do.. and that is double team, they can play every knick player straight up, especially carmelo... and they are long and athletic.... your flaws are going to be magnified as the series move on.... today it started...

good defensive teams will not only expose flaws but they will cause a player to REGRESS INTO BAD HABITS.

melo 43.3USG and 6.2AST for a 7:1 ratio which is appalling.
smith 3:1 ratio far above his usually respectable 1.8:1 ratio

translation: bad shot selection and tunnelvision, unwillingness to keep the ball moving

woodson is allowing "felton to be felton" when he puts another point guard in prigioni out there whose predilection is to keep the ball moving, this eases the pressure for felton to create for others but allows for higher efficiency from felton. 6 assists from prigioni in 20 minutes vs. 3 assists from felton in 38 minutes. expect this pattern to hold.

so far so good, and felton, i agree, is looking like the most solid knick right now, as a tweener-- weird.

but woodson can't afford to let melo be melo and smith be smith, and there is nobody that they can play alongside that can temper their and tighten up their games the way prigioni does for felton. it is all on them, ie from their own "volition." so what do you do as the coach?

one final thing from the game thread for you to weigh in on:

dk7th wrote:
they're letting them play, a couple of missed calls both ways. one thing about melo is that he barrels in and initiates contact so he is not going to get the foul calls every time.

ActionJackson wrote:
Why??? You are taught since the very early stages of youth basketball that if you initiate as an offensive player you put the defense on their heels & you will be rewarded by a basket or a foul.

dk7th wrote:
not if the defensive player is already moving backwards and that is the issue.

dk7th wrote:
they're letting them play, a couple of missed calls both ways. one thing about melo is that he barrels in and initiates contact so he is not going to get the foul calls every time.

ActionJackson wrote:
Why??? You are taught since the very early stages of youth basketball that if you initiate as an offensive player you put the defense on their heels & you will be rewarded by a basket or a foul.

dk7th wrote:
not if the defensive player is already moving backwards and that is the issue.

ONE Thing hibbert is doing is going straight up, as long as he does that, they will not call the foul.. this year, the officials have been letting guys actually contest shots, I like that, as I am not a fan of big men standing for offensive fouls all of the time... but these bad habits that JR and carmelo have developed over the years, tend to work in the regular season vs the bobcats and raptors of the NBA, but against well seasoned defensive teams, they are just not going to allow that to happen.... you are going to have to beat the pacers with ball movements, make the next pass.. this post up, slow down, "my turn" offense is playing into their hands..

Red1976 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:Being down 1-0 isn't the end of the world. I just hate the effort displayed out there today.

same feeling here ..... sometimes it is better to avoid the forum after a bad game because micro-analyzing every player mistakes is just bringing us nowhere (not talking about you but in general) ... I can understand the frustration of some but still it is not like any of the players in any of the team remaining in the playoffs never do any mistakes or have any bad games ... but when it is a Knick player it seems like the end of the world

still time for the team to gather itself, correct some of the most obvious mistakes (even if some will still happens and despair some posters, living in a world of perfection) and more important and totally in their hands, play hard for 48 minutes ...

I agree, I'm most down about the lack of effort.

Annoying reading about how Hibbert 'dominated' defensively. He did that because he was allowed to foul at will- he should have fouled out at by the 4th Q.

It wasn't a gift to Hibbert. The refs let both teams get away with a lot of contact. It was more like a '90s style game.

they did but the balance was a bit biased towards the Pacers and Hibbert despite being on the Knicks homecourt ... IMO

Every fan says the refs are unfair against their team. You have to either try really hard to see the game from the perspective of the other team during the game or just ask many people who aren't Knicks' fans how they thought the refs were.

Bonn1997 wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Red1976 wrote:

MSG3 wrote:Being down 1-0 isn't the end of the world. I just hate the effort displayed out there today.

same feeling here ..... sometimes it is better to avoid the forum after a bad game because micro-analyzing every player mistakes is just bringing us nowhere (not talking about you but in general) ... I can understand the frustration of some but still it is not like any of the players in any of the team remaining in the playoffs never do any mistakes or have any bad games ... but when it is a Knick player it seems like the end of the world

still time for the team to gather itself, correct some of the most obvious mistakes (even if some will still happens and despair some posters, living in a world of perfection) and more important and totally in their hands, play hard for 48 minutes ...

I agree, I'm most down about the lack of effort.

Annoying reading about how Hibbert 'dominated' defensively. He did that because he was allowed to foul at will- he should have fouled out at by the 4th Q.

It wasn't a gift to Hibbert. The refs let both teams get away with a lot of contact. It was more like a '90s style game.

they did but the balance was a bit biased towards the Pacers and Hibbert despite being on the Knicks homecourt ... IMO

Every fan says the refs are unfair against their team. You have to either try really hard to see the game from the perspective of the other team during the game or just ask many people who aren't Knicks' fans how they thought the refs were.

I said a bit biased not a lot .. In any case it didn't cost us the win, they played with less urgency than Indy except when down by too many points in the fourth

I think the team will bounce back and all is part of a learning process but the margin for error is narrowing quickly

NUPE wrote:I was not able to watch the game yesterday but I hate when fans start blaming the refs. It looks like Melo and JR shot BELOW 40% and take the majority of the shots collectively. That is why the Knicks lost. I am sure the Knick D probably sucked as the Knicks gave up over 100 points also.

CrushAlot wrote:

NUPE wrote:I was not able to watch the game yesterday but I hate when fans start blaming the refs. It looks like Melo and JR shot BELOW 40% and take the majority of the shots collectively. That is why the Knicks lost. I am sure the Knick D probably sucked as the Knicks gave up over 100 points also.

Melo isn't taking bad shots he just isn't making shots he normally makes. He also didn't get foul calls when he attacked the basket. I think the latter will change tomorrow but he has been missing his shots for awhile. I have to think it is shoulder related as he just doesn't miss as many open looks as he has the past few games.

CrushAlot wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NUPE wrote:I was not able to watch the game yesterday but I hate when fans start blaming the refs. It looks like Melo and JR shot BELOW 40% and take the majority of the shots collectively. That is why the Knicks lost. I am sure the Knick D probably sucked as the Knicks gave up over 100 points also.

Melo isn't taking bad shots he just isn't making shots he normally makes. He also didn't get foul calls when he attacked the basket. I think the latter will change tomorrow but he has been missing his shots for awhile. I have to think it is shoulder related as he just doesn't miss as many open looks as he has the past few games.

Why do you think the latter will change? Do the refs usually give the Knicks more calls the next game?

I think some of those no calls on Hibbert defending the basket are going to be called. I think he gets into foul trouble and the paint opens up for the Knicks so that they don't have to take floaters to be successful. I could be wrong but I think a lot of those no calls will be calls in game 2. Its not a huge adjustment by the officials and most of those calls could go either way. I don't think they all go Hibbert's way in game 2. I wouldn't be surprised if Hibbert is in foul trouble before the end of the first quarter.

dk7th wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

TeamBall wrote:

CrushAlot wrote:

NUPE wrote:I was not able to watch the game yesterday but I hate when fans start blaming the refs. It looks like Melo and JR shot BELOW 40% and take the majority of the shots collectively. That is why the Knicks lost. I am sure the Knick D probably sucked as the Knicks gave up over 100 points also.

Melo isn't taking bad shots he just isn't making shots he normally makes. He also didn't get foul calls when he attacked the basket. I think the latter will change tomorrow but he has been missing his shots for awhile. I have to think it is shoulder related as he just doesn't miss as many open looks as he has the past few games.

Why do you think the latter will change? Do the refs usually give the Knicks more calls the next game?

I think some of those no calls on Hibbert defending the basket are going to be called. I think he gets into foul trouble and the paint opens up for the Knicks so that they don't have to take floaters to be successful. I could be wrong but I think a lot of those no calls will be calls in game 2. Its not a huge adjustment by the officials and most of those calls could go either way. I don't think they all go Hibbert's way in game 2. I wouldn't be surprised if Hibbert is in foul trouble before the end of the first quarter.

wishful thinking. this is the real season. pacers defend the rim and the 3-point line better than anybody. that is their defensive philosophy. let the opponent shoot the low percentage/low yield shots like felton's floaters.

what is the knicks specialty: scoring at the rim and the 3 point line. this plays right into the pacers hands. melo and smith better develop a midrange game and fast. passing the ball wouldn't kill them either. but the barreling in and chuckage is a recipe for failure.

woodson and his favorites have a lot of adapting to do. we lose this series woodson should be canned.

misterearl wrote:we lose this series woodson should be canned.

If OKC loses to Memphis, Scott Brooks should be canned

why? brooks was in the finals last year. okc won the first game;

woodson's team lost game 1 and home court. woodson has been annihilated, spanked, schooled, punished, made roadkill in the second round.

we are in the second round.

wake up