Sorry, I expect to be competitive to the 4th qtr.

gunsnewing wrote:One thing Felton does great is give the ball to Melo and get out of the way

Which isn't a bad thing..add to that he still has to be respected on offense. Derek fisher made a living playing that role.

mrKnickShot wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

TeamBall wrote:While I get - and agree- with the Felton criticism, I still think he plays closer to what we saw at the beginning of the season at full strength

based on his career numbers I would say that the beginning of the season was the anomaly

This 1000%

16 and 7 assist at 40% with less attempts. I'll take that for what we paid and melo, chandler and amre taking Thr bulk of the shots. Throw in once every 4 games him going off. Nothing wrong with that. Like I said u can't have a allstar at every position. Past champions have proven u don't need a stud or even an above average pg to win.

What team (non triangle offense and Houston) won it all with a weak PG?

And even those triangle teams had low usage/high IQ guys at the position and so did Houston which was a team built with shooters just waiting for a kick out.

The Knicks run a PG-centric offense

Miami, Dallas, lakers..Knicks do not run a pg centric offense...they run a melo and when healthy amare centric offense just like Dallas ran a dirk centric offense. Things look pg centric when u remove the stud players out the equation.

The knicks run a lot of PNR and Felton has the ball way too much even with Melo in the game. I wish there was a stat of how many Dribbles per 48

Miami - Lebron is essentially the PG
Lakers - Kobe is essentially the PG (though a pretty bad one)
Dallas - Had a very good group of PG contributors

They had Kidd, barrera and terry correct..we have Felton, Kidd and prigs and Shump when he comes back..what's wrong with that?

Saying Kobe was the point guard is same as saying melo is the pg.

And do be mistaken..Felton is flawed and has weaknesses and I hate when he over shoots but to say he hasn't helped more than hurt this season is very bias and incorrect. Then adding Lin is better for us then him is just flagrant and short sighted

FoeDiddy wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

TeamBall wrote:While I get - and agree- with the Felton criticism, I still think he plays closer to what we saw at the beginning of the season at full strength

based on his career numbers I would say that the beginning of the season was the anomaly

This 1000%

16 and 7 assist at 40% with less attempts. I'll take that for what we paid and melo, chandler and amre taking Thr bulk of the shots. Throw in once every 4 games him going off. Nothing wrong with that. Like I said u can't have a allstar at every position. Past champions have proven u don't need a stud or even an above average pg to win.

What team (non triangle offense and Houston) won it all with a weak PG?

And even those triangle teams had low usage/high IQ guys at the position and so did Houston which was a team built with shooters just waiting for a kick out.

The Knicks run a PG-centric offense

Miami, Dallas, lakers..Knicks do not run a pg centric offense...they run a melo and when healthy amare centric offense just like Dallas ran a dirk centric offense. Things look pg centric when u remove the stud players out the equation.

The knicks run a lot of PNR and Felton has the ball way too much even with Melo in the game. I wish there was a stat of how many Dribbles per 48

Miami - Lebron is essentially the PG
Lakers - Kobe is essentially the PG (though a pretty bad one)
Dallas - Had a very good group of PG contributors

They had Kidd, barrera and terry correct..we have Felton, Kidd and prigs and Shump when he comes back..what's wrong with that?

Saying Kobe was the point guard is same as saying melo is the pg.

And do be mistaken..Felton is flawed and has weaknesses and I hate when he over shoots but to say he hasn't helped more than hurt this season is very bias and incorrect. Then adding Lin is better for us then him is just flagrant and short sighted

saying Kobe was the PG is the same as Melo? You can't be serious! Lebron too?

Felton started off well as he did in 2010. He is just collapsing earlier.

I believe that Lin would be better for us in the long run. That is "long sighted"

FoeDiddy, I agree with almost everything you post, I just think we are far off with this one.

mrKnickShot wrote:

NUPE wrote:It's hilarious to me that you have people in here trumpeting Lin over Felton as if Lin has not been ass-cheeks this year. Literally trash. It is not even debatable. Are we going to pretend Lin has not been complete trash this year?!?! LMAO! Yea, I will take Felton.

Also, last time I checked, the Heat and Mavs won the last two titles without a star pg. The Lakers won without a star pg. The Rockets won without a star pg. The Pistons won without a star pg (Billups is not a star). Also, for the delusional posters, LIN IS NOT A STAR PG, NOT REMOTELY and PROBABLY NEVER. Lin sucks thus far this season and has inferior stats to Felton. Welcome to reality! LOL!

This team is built around Melo and Amar'e carrying the offense and if both are out the offense will struggle noticeably. Blaming Felton is laughable.

I know you kids are starved to scream I told you so about Felton so have at it. However, I will not pretend that Lin has been better than Felton. LoL!

You don't need a "star" pg to win

You need a smart PG to win.

Felton is a dumb PG

He looks smarter when we are at full strength. To me it's like saying Derek fisher is a dumb point guard if he is asked to turn scorer vs. role player.

mrKnickShot wrote:

NUPE wrote:It's hilarious to me that you have people in here trumpeting Lin over Felton as if Lin has not been ass-cheeks this year. Literally trash. It is not even debatable. Are we going to pretend Lin has not been complete trash this year?!?! LMAO! Yea, I will take Felton.

Also, last time I checked, the Heat and Mavs won the last two titles without a star pg. The Lakers won without a star pg. The Rockets won without a star pg. The Pistons won without a star pg (Billups is not a star). Also, for the delusional posters, LIN IS NOT A STAR PG, NOT REMOTELY and PROBABLY NEVER. Lin sucks thus far this season and has inferior stats to Felton. Welcome to reality! LOL!

This team is built around Melo and Amar'e carrying the offense and if both are out the offense will struggle noticeably. Blaming Felton is laughable.

I know you kids are starved to scream I told you so about Felton so have at it. However, I will not pretend that Lin has been better than Felton. LoL!

You don't need a "star" pg to win

You need a smart PG to win.

Felton is a dumb PG

I don't believe Felton is dumb. That is a pretty childish statement. Felton's TO are generally low. Felton generally makes smart plays. Felton's shooting is not great but Felton's primary role in the offense is not to shoot when we have a healthy team. What part of this simple statement don't you understand.

In a situation like today, who else was gonna take the shots. Brewer can't create. Chandler can't create. Kidd can't create. Novak can't create. Prig generally does not create. The only creators were JR, Copeland and Felton so they were the ones that were going to take the shots and dominate the ball. It's literally common sense.

There are a few Knicks that did not play great today but for some reason the focus is on Felton. LoL!

As for Lin. He is inferior to Felton across the board, stat wise. Lin has been a debacle and absolute disappointment. The fact that people are in this thread and pretending otherwise is ABSURD and reeks of bias.

mrKnickShot wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

NUPE wrote:It's hilarious to me that you have people in here trumpeting Lin over Felton as if Lin has not been ass-cheeks this year. Literally trash. It is not even debatable. Are we going to pretend Lin has not been complete trash this year?!?! LMAO! Yea, I will take Felton.

Also, last time I checked, the Heat and Mavs won the last two titles without a star pg. The Lakers won without a star pg. The Rockets won without a star pg. The Pistons won without a star pg (Billups is not a star). Also, for the delusional posters, LIN IS NOT A STAR PG, NOT REMOTELY and PROBABLY NEVER. Lin sucks thus far this season and has inferior stats to Felton. Welcome to reality! LOL!

This team is built around Melo and Amar'e carrying the offense and if both are out the offense will struggle noticeably. Blaming Felton is laughable.

I know you kids are starved to scream I told you so about Felton so have at it. However, I will not pretend that Lin has been better than Felton. LoL!

You don't need a "star" pg to win

You need a smart PG to win.

Felton is a dumb PG

He looks smarter when we are at full strength. To me it's like saying Derek fisher is a dumb point guard if he is asked to turn scorer vs. role player.

What is full strength?

He has looked pretty awful even with Melo

And, even with Melo out, how many times did he miss the open man? Every time.

I'm glad even with his "awful" play we could be 18 and 6. No disrespect but a comment like that is just inaccurate. So he has looked pretty awful all season with Melo? What games are u watching? 2nd most efficient offense in the league and he doesn't have a hand in that?

mrKnickShot wrote:

NUPE wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

NUPE wrote:It's hilarious to me that you have people in here trumpeting Lin over Felton as if Lin has not been ass-cheeks this year. Literally trash. It is not even debatable. Are we going to pretend Lin has not been complete trash this year?!?! LMAO! Yea, I will take Felton.

Also, last time I checked, the Heat and Mavs won the last two titles without a star pg. The Lakers won without a star pg. The Rockets won without a star pg. The Pistons won without a star pg (Billups is not a star). Also, for the delusional posters, LIN IS NOT A STAR PG, NOT REMOTELY and PROBABLY NEVER. Lin sucks thus far this season and has inferior stats to Felton. Welcome to reality! LOL!

This team is built around Melo and Amar'e carrying the offense and if both are out the offense will struggle noticeably. Blaming Felton is laughable.

I know you kids are starved to scream I told you so about Felton so have at it. However, I will not pretend that Lin has been better than Felton. LoL!

You don't need a "star" pg to win

You need a smart PG to win.

Felton is a dumb PG

I don't believe Felton is dumb. That is a pretty childish statement. Felton's TO are generally low. Felton generally makes smart plays. Felton's shooting is not great but Felton's primary role in the offense is not to shoot when we have a healthy team. What part of this simple statement don't you understand.

In a situation like today, who else was gonna take the shots. Brewer can't create. Chandler can't create. Kidd can't create. Novak can't create. Prig generally does not create. The only creators were JR, Copeland and Felton so they were the ones that were going to take the shots and dominate the ball. It's literally common sense.

There are a few Knicks that did not play great today but for some reason the focus is on Felton. LoL!

As for Lin. He is inferior to Felton across the board, stat wise. Lin has been a debacle and absolute disappointment. The fact that people are in this thread and pretending otherwise is ABSURD and reeks of bias.

The more you post the dumber you appear to be.

Kid's, like you, typically resort to ad hominem attacks when they have nothing of substance or intelligence to say. No surprise here.

FoeDiddy wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

FoeDiddy wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

NUPE wrote:It's hilarious to me that you have people in here trumpeting Lin over Felton as if Lin has not been ass-cheeks this year. Literally trash. It is not even debatable. Are we going to pretend Lin has not been complete trash this year?!?! LMAO! Yea, I will take Felton.

Also, last time I checked, the Heat and Mavs won the last two titles without a star pg. The Lakers won without a star pg. The Rockets won without a star pg. The Pistons won without a star pg (Billups is not a star). Also, for the delusional posters, LIN IS NOT A STAR PG, NOT REMOTELY and PROBABLY NEVER. Lin sucks thus far this season and has inferior stats to Felton. Welcome to reality! LOL!

This team is built around Melo and Amar'e carrying the offense and if both are out the offense will struggle noticeably. Blaming Felton is laughable.

I know you kids are starved to scream I told you so about Felton so have at it. However, I will not pretend that Lin has been better than Felton. LoL!

You don't need a "star" pg to win

You need a smart PG to win.

Felton is a dumb PG

He looks smarter when we are at full strength. To me it's like saying Derek fisher is a dumb point guard if he is asked to turn scorer vs. role player.

What is full strength?

He has looked pretty awful even with Melo

And, even with Melo out, how many times did he miss the open man? Every time.

I'm glad even with his "awful" play we could be 18 and 6. No disrespect but a comment like that is just inaccurate. So he has looked pretty awful all season with Melo? What games are u watching? 2nd most efficient offense in the league and he doesn't have a hand in that?

He does.

His turnovers are low which is good. His defense has been passable. His teammates like him - and he is likable.

I am talking about how he has played in the last number of games.

Did you check out his season numbers? Give it a peek.

A worse shooting year that last year in Portland? Are you not nervous about him?