NUPE wrote:

tkf wrote:

ALL TOP TIER PG's destroy each other.. what is your point?

Please show me videos of Deron Willians, Rondo and CP3 getting stripped by a simple 1v1 full court or half court press multiple times in the same game this past season. This is an extreme problem. The fact that you kids poo poo this is laughable and ridiculous.

extreme problem? other than that game vs miami, where else has that happened? I think the only thing here that is extreme, is your criticism of lin.. full sour grapes mode bro..

tkf wrote:

NUPE wrote:

tkf wrote:

ALL TOP TIER PG's destroy each other.. what is your point?

Please show me videos of Deron Willians, Rondo and CP3 getting stripped by a simple 1v1 full court or half court press multiple times in the same game this past season. This is an extreme problem. The fact that you kids poo poo this is laughable and ridiculous.

extreme problem? other than that game vs miami, where else has that happened? I think the only thing here that is extreme, is your criticism of lin.. full sour grapes mode bro..

It would have been nice or a better gauge if Lin shot better than 34% against > .500 competition.

NUPE wrote:

limpidgimp wrote:

NUPE wrote:

3G4G wrote:
I don't think it's that outlandish to say LIN>>>>Amar'e

It is actually absurd and ridiculous.

I like apples more than oranges.

Except it is not an apples and oranges comparison. Amar'e has had a strong career, carried the knciks for a large portion of 2010/11 season and before that was a HUGE impact player for the SUNS for years and years and years. A down year for Amar'e was 18 and 8 which speaks volumes to how great he has been. Lin had a good seven to ten games then was noticeably worse when teams actually decided to game plan for him. There is no scenario where Lin is better right now.

4 million per is better than 20 per. MUCH BETTER!

NUPE wrote:

tkf wrote:

ALL TOP TIER PG's destroy each other.. what is your point?

Please show me videos of Deron Willians, Rondo and CP3 getting stripped by a simple 1v1 full court or half court press multiple times in the same game this past season. This is an extreme problem. The fact that you kids poo poo this is laughable and ridiculous.

Now of course you have to make sure the video footage of Lin vs D-Will at the Garden runs it's course of statutes of limitations

This may not exist but you could show these guys getting blown by repeatedly or outplayed against each other....

Take for instance

The Great Mike Conley handed CP3 his lunch a few games in the playoffs this past season

The Demi Point Jrue gave Rondo the biz a couple games during the playoffs

First game of the season last year Lawson took a dump right in Kidd's mouth

The We Should Have Drafted Brandon Jennings Boat That Sailed away shot spit balls at Jrue Holiday and Jeff Teague

Derrick Rose a month prior to gave Jennings a wet willy

Kyrie ate Jennings up twice

Westbrook treated Ricky like a NOOBio and showed Lawson how justice is served

Tony Parker took the pumpkin and busted up Russell's Bricks

Go look up all the footage on this and come back tomorrow because you have lots of film to digest

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

NUPE wrote:

tkf wrote:

ALL TOP TIER PG's destroy each other.. what is your point?

Please show me videos of Deron Willians, Rondo and CP3 getting stripped by a simple 1v1 full court or half court press multiple times in the same game this past season. This is an extreme problem. The fact that you kids poo poo this is laughable and ridiculous.

extreme problem? other than that game vs miami, where else has that happened? I think the only thing here that is extreme, is your criticism of lin.. full sour grapes mode bro..

It would have been nice or a better gauge if Lin shot better than 34% against > .500 competition.

the most important stats is 8-1.. he saved the knicks season. he was dynamic and capture the NBA world.....

useless stats do you no favors here. .in the end, the key is to win, get your guys out on top.... that requires a lot of leadership.. which is why the knicks have stunk for years, no leadership, doesn't matter if you can dunk out of your mind, wear headbands or call yourself the "best pure scorer" rofl.. just win baby.. .win.. lin did that...

Lin did that against shytty teams while he was still unknown. When he became known, he was below average. There are many reasons or contributors that were in play here so I am not judging him (yet). I would have liked him back to see how he might have developed but crowning him at this point or de-crowning him is silly. Was it magical? Certainly and I cannot remember a more magical 10 game stretch in any sport but he is at this point a VERY unknown commodity.

And, if you find a stat that displays a players ability to shine or not shine against the better competition useless then you are completely missing the boat and that is maybe why you never bring stats into your arguments.

NUPE wrote:

tkf wrote:

NUPE wrote:

tkf wrote:

ALL TOP TIER PG's destroy each other.. what is your point?

Please show me videos of Deron Willians, Rondo and CP3 getting stripped by a simple 1v1 full court or half court press multiple times in the same game this past season. This is an extreme problem. The fact that you kids poo poo this is laughable and ridiculous.

extreme problem? other than that game vs miami, where else has that happened? I think the only thing here that is extreme, is your criticism of lin.. full sour grapes mode bro..

Those videos have been posted in this very thread or another on this board. Here is Lin's gamelog for 2012:

http://sports.yahoo.com/nba/players/4795/gamelog;_ylt=AmD_nm6BSu1Ldk_hYdNbUC.kvLYF

Note the ridiculous amount of turnovers he generally has. You kids acting like it was just ONE game against the Heat are massively delusional. This discussion is absurd. A pg who turns the ball over that much and struggles to go left is not to be cried over. I like Lin. I wanted to keep Lin on the Knicks. BUT, I recognize his serious deficiencies while you kids ignore them. Lin may get better. He may not. The one truth is going left and being able to handle pressure from a single defender is a basic pg skill that Lin obviously lacks or struggles with.

WILL you cool it with the "kids" talk.. all of us here are men and would like to be addressed that way.. I am sure of that! men, guys, fellas, is fine....

gunsnewing wrote:Watch out for the Nets. While Dolan was busy crying and not bring back Lin the Nets added a lot of talent. Now I expect the Knicks to finish ahead of them in the standings but not by much. Neither team is built for a deep playoff run. Knicks certainly had enough talent with the pieces they added until Dolan let Lin go. Pains me to say it but it is the truth. Championships for the next 3yrs will be between LA, Miami and OKC. Not what Knicks fans expected after a dozen years of futility after Ewing was traded. Not what we had in mind when we were going hard after Lebron. In the past I've been overly positive about the Knicks situation but the realization has set in after the Lin Fiasco that we will never be a legitimate title contender for as long as Dolan is owner. In 3yrs we can get rid of expiring contracts for the next eddy curry, steve francis, stephon marbury, tim thomas, mo taylor, jerome james. Catch my drift? Maybe we can contend in 30+ years when Dolan's health is in question. Thats pretty uplifting to me that I may still see a Knicks chammpionship if im lucky to last into my 60s

The Nets are going to be a problem not in New York but in the NBA in general

They've had one of the better off-seasons by a wide margin especially taking into consideration the excuses to follow the current roster

They'll have

D-Will
Joe
Crash
Hump
Lopez

Bench

Watson
Brooks
Blatche
Evans
Tele
Taylor
Bogans
Stack

IR
Donte Greene

And could possibly sign Childress today or tomorrow

for a "full season" a "full camp" a "time to gel" a "feel each other out" a "familiarity and chemistry"

Boy watch out

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

NUPE wrote:

tkf wrote:

ALL TOP TIER PG's destroy each other.. what is your point?

Please show me videos of Deron Willians, Rondo and CP3 getting stripped by a simple 1v1 full court or half court press multiple times in the same game this past season. This is an extreme problem. The fact that you kids poo poo this is laughable and ridiculous.

extreme problem? other than that game vs miami, where else has that happened? I think the only thing here that is extreme, is your criticism of lin.. full sour grapes mode bro..

It would have been nice or a better gauge if Lin shot better than 34% against > .500 competition.

the most important stats is 8-1.. he saved the knicks season. he was dynamic and capture the NBA world.....

useless stats do you no favors here. .in the end, the key is to win, get your guys out on top.... that requires a lot of leadership.. which is why the knicks have stunk for years, no leadership, doesn't matter if you can dunk out of your mind, wear headbands or call yourself the "best pure scorer" rofl.. just win baby.. .win.. lin did that...

You always find a way to drag Melo into discussions that have nothing to do with him. No need to put one player down in order raise Lin up. BTW, speaking of just win and saving the season, despite all of Lin's heroics, the Knicks were still on the outside of the playoffs looking in until MDA stepped aside. After Lin and Stat got hurt it was Melo who led the Knicks down the stretch to the playoffs and pass the Bucks. But your agenda wont allow you to acknowledge that fact, huh?

tkf wrote:

Uptown wrote:

tkf wrote:

mrKnickShot wrote:

tkf wrote:

NUPE wrote:

tkf wrote:

ALL TOP TIER PG's destroy each other.. what is your point?

Please show me videos of Deron Willians, Rondo and CP3 getting stripped by a simple 1v1 full court or half court press multiple times in the same game this past season. This is an extreme problem. The fact that you kids poo poo this is laughable and ridiculous.

extreme problem? other than that game vs miami, where else has that happened? I think the only thing here that is extreme, is your criticism of lin.. full sour grapes mode bro..

It would have been nice or a better gauge if Lin shot better than 34% against > .500 competition.

the most important stats is 8-1.. he saved the knicks season. he was dynamic and capture the NBA world.....

useless stats do you no favors here. .in the end, the key is to win, get your guys out on top.... that requires a lot of leadership.. which is why the knicks have stunk for years, no leadership, doesn't matter if you can dunk out of your mind, wear headbands or call yourself the "best pure scorer" rofl.. just win baby.. .win.. lin did that...

You always find a way to drag Melo into discussions that have nothing to do with him. No need to put one player down in order raise Lin up. BTW, speaking of just win and saving the season, despite all of Lin's heroics, the Knicks were still on the outside of the playoffs looking in until MDA stepped aside. After Lin and Stat got hurt it was Melo who led the Knicks down the stretch to the playoffs and pass the Bucks. But your agenda wont allow you to acknowledge that fact, huh?

IT WAS melo who admitted he didn't play hard under dantoni that got us in a hole that required lin's heroics to save the season.. no 8-1 and nothing else matters...

but your agenda won't let you acknowledge that fact, huh?