meloshouldgo wrote:Coming soon to a grocery store near you

http://usuncut.news/2016/11/28/entitled-white-trump-fan-launches-racist-rant-calls-black-workers-animals-for-not-kissing-her-a-video/

The absolute filth that exists in our society has been unleashed

validated and empowered.

djsunyc wrote:http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/11/sheriff-clarke-trump-terrorists-guantanamo-bay

Donald Trump was scheduled [1] to meet Monday with Milwaukee County Sheriff David Clarke Jr., a Trump supporter and surrogate during the campaign who is now reportedly being considered [2] to head the Department of Homeland Security. Clarke is known for his extreme views on policing—including his conviction that there is a war on cops [3] but no police brutality [4]—and for his attacks on Black Lives Matter [3]. One of his most out-there positions: suspend the constitutional rights of up to a million people, and hold them indefinitely at the US prison in Guantanamo Bay, Cuba.

Clarke's extremist approach to homeland security is no secret. In his upcoming memoir, Cop Under Fire: Moving Beyond Hashtags of Race, Crime and Politics for a Better America, he advocates treating American citizens suspected of terrorism as "enemy combatants," questioning them without an attorney, and holding them indefinitely, the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel [5] reported. Their cases would be handled by a military tribunal rather than a traditional court.

But a year ago, Clarke went further and called for rounding up Americans who sympathize with terrorists and shipping them to an offshore prison. During a December 2015 segment of his show, The People's Sheriff, on Glenn Beck's TheBlaze radio network, Clarke suggested that any person who posts pro-terrorist sentiments on social media be arrested, deprived of the constitutional protection against unlawful imprisonment (known as habeas corpus), and sent to Guantanamo Bay indefinitely. He estimated the number of people who could be imprisoned under his proposal could reach 1 million. Presumably, this would include American citizens. (The Democratic research group American Bridge caught Clarke proposing this idea.)

"I suggest that our commander in chief ought to utilize Article I, Section 9 and take all of these individuals that are suspected, these ones on the internet spewing jihadi rhetoric…to scoop them up, charge them with treason and, under habeas corpus, detain them indefinitely at Gitmo," Clarke said.

Article 1, Section 9 of the Constitution allows the president to suspend the writ of habeas corpus only "when in cases of rebellion or invasion the public safety may require it." Clarke added that locking up suspected terrorists in American prisons and jails would turn those facilities into "terrorist recruitment camps." That's why these people would have to be packed off to Guantanamo.

"We have no idea how many people out there have pledged allegiance or are supporting ISIS, giving aid and comfort, but I would suggest hundreds of thousands, I would suggest maybe a million," Clarke said. "It's just a guess. And then you take the known terrorists that are here, and you think we're going to arrest all these people and put them in jails and then sentence them to prison? It's idiotic. [Take them to] Gitmo and hold them indefinitely under a suspension of habeas corpus. We're at war. This is a time of war. Bold and aggressive action is needed."

Clarke is prone to exaggerations and extreme talk. Last year, for example, he predicted [6] on Twitter that "before long, Black Lies [sic] Matter will join forces with ISIS to being [sic] down our legal constituted republic. You heard it first here."

It's unclear what kind of comment or act would land an American citizen indefinitely in Guantanamo under Clarke's plan. In the radio segment, he said he was not suggesting indefinite detention for "some innocuous statement, I'm not going to go that far." He pointed to "the woman out in San Bernardino" as an example, referring to the female shooter in the terrorist attack in San Bernardino, California, who pledged allegiance to ISIS [7] on Facebook shortly before murdering 14 people. "That's beyond the pale," he said. But he also said anyone who has "pledged allegiance or are supporting ISIS, giving aid and comfort" would qualify. He did not say how tweets and Facebook posts would be policed or how 1 million people would be arrested and incarcerated in a prison that has up to now held fewer than 800 prisoners.

Wow, this is like an Orwellian nightmare coming true.

djsunyc wrote:first direct positive impact of trump for 1000 people:

http://fox59.com/2016/11/29/donald-trump-mike-pence-reach-deal-to-keep-majority-of-carrier-jobs-from-moving-to-mexico/

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/mattyglesias/status/803781107099533312

DrAlphaeus wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Apparently, they may only do a machine recount rather than hand recount in Wisconsin. That's so sketchy. The whole point was that we don't know if the machines are counting the votes correctly.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/11/28/elections-staff-layout-recount-timeline/94539210/

And if there's any rigging it is with the machines that can be hacked as well as undocumented immigrants being allowed to vote.

American citizens don't want to go to the polls..You think undocumented immigrants want to go vote when they aren't even on the rolls?..In republicans mind undocumented turnout is 1000%..

LOL - maybe the undocumented immigrants have a stronger sense of civic duty than American citizens do!

I really don't understand this suspicion that the undocumented are voting in our national elections. This obsession with George Soros. Trump's own claims of millions voting illegally. Maybe guns is right: conversation is useless. I've been fact-checking, questioning, asking for data, conceding points where I can figuring that the favor will be returned. But I feel like I'm using Emily Post etiquette in a bar fight. It's simply an approach to facts, truth, and logic I don't get. If this is the guy we get for America's lack of civic engagement, anti-intellectualism, money corrupted politics, and profit-driven news media, well... this is what we get.

At this point, I feel like working with kids on critical thinking, civics, and media literacy is the only hope. Because a lot of you adults are hopeless, including our President-elect.

Re George Soros, have you heard his short interview on 60 minutes? Just listen to him. He is an extremely powerful man with some very cold reasoning. He has had HUGE influence on our past elections, nations monies all over the world and quite a bit more. It is interesting to hear his perspective.

OK... "Donald Trump without the humility"... good joke. Well look, let's put Soros in the "get money out of politics" bucket then.

"How he destroys nations" — nice editorializing on the YouTube title... but the title and description lack basic information like the date this aired.

Rigging the elections by what: funding legal battles against the post-Voting Rights Act restrictions around the country? Or funding policies to deal with hate crimes http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/us/politics/george-soros-hate-crimes.html Or is this just good ol' Elders of Sion boogeyman business?

If you can put forward your case in your own words with some citations to credible articles about why he's been such a huge influence, I'm game. But send me something that would pass muster for a librarian. Otherwise just seems like yet another distraction.

I'm not trying to hang Soros, he is just a powerful figure in world events (and not the traditional politician). I just posted that as it is neutral and in his own words (for the most part).
It gives you a better idea about his meddling in other governments affairs. He does some good things too, but he is basically a world elite trying to direct things where he see's fit.
If you want to learn more about him just do a bit of searching. What he has done is pretty bad at times though and the moral-ness of his actions is often in question.

Not sure on the voting. My guess is that since illegals coming across the border are trying so hard to get in the country, voting once they get here (e.g. in CA) would seem the logical next step - pick a client who benefits them. There are millions of illegals who would of course want to vote for Hillary as the other guy wants to deport them! lol
Now, is there evidence for that? I haven't really looked but when I have time I might...

earthmansurfer wrote:Not bad since he isn't even in office yet.

Tweet was deleted or there was problem with the URL:

https://twitter.com/Carrier/status/803764047300722688

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2016/11/29/carrier-says-it-has-deal-with-trump-to-keep-jobs-in-indiana.html

earthmansurfer wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Apparently, they may only do a machine recount rather than hand recount in Wisconsin. That's so sketchy. The whole point was that we don't know if the machines are counting the votes correctly.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/11/28/elections-staff-layout-recount-timeline/94539210/

And if there's any rigging it is with the machines that can be hacked as well as undocumented immigrants being allowed to vote.

American citizens don't want to go to the polls..You think undocumented immigrants want to go vote when they aren't even on the rolls?..In republicans mind undocumented turnout is 1000%..

LOL - maybe the undocumented immigrants have a stronger sense of civic duty than American citizens do!

I really don't understand this suspicion that the undocumented are voting in our national elections. This obsession with George Soros. Trump's own claims of millions voting illegally. Maybe guns is right: conversation is useless. I've been fact-checking, questioning, asking for data, conceding points where I can figuring that the favor will be returned. But I feel like I'm using Emily Post etiquette in a bar fight. It's simply an approach to facts, truth, and logic I don't get. If this is the guy we get for America's lack of civic engagement, anti-intellectualism, money corrupted politics, and profit-driven news media, well... this is what we get.

At this point, I feel like working with kids on critical thinking, civics, and media literacy is the only hope. Because a lot of you adults are hopeless, including our President-elect.

Re George Soros, have you heard his short interview on 60 minutes? Just listen to him. He is an extremely powerful man with some very cold reasoning. He has had HUGE influence on our past elections, nations monies all over the world and quite a bit more. It is interesting to hear his perspective.

OK... "Donald Trump without the humility"... good joke. Well look, let's put Soros in the "get money out of politics" bucket then.

"How he destroys nations" — nice editorializing on the YouTube title... but the title and description lack basic information like the date this aired.

Rigging the elections by what: funding legal battles against the post-Voting Rights Act restrictions around the country? Or funding policies to deal with hate crimes http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/us/politics/george-soros-hate-crimes.html Or is this just good ol' Elders of Sion boogeyman business?

If you can put forward your case in your own words with some citations to credible articles about why he's been such a huge influence, I'm game. But send me something that would pass muster for a librarian. Otherwise just seems like yet another distraction.

I'm not trying to hang Soros, he is just a powerful figure in world events (and not the traditional politician). I just posted that as it is neutral and in his own words (for the most part).
It gives you a better idea about his meddling in other governments affairs. He does some good things too, but he is basically a world elite trying to direct things where he see's fit.
If you want to learn more about him just do a bit of searching. What he has done is pretty bad at times though and the moral-ness of his actions is often in question.

Not sure on the voting. My guess is that since illegals coming across the border are trying so hard to get in the country, voting once they get here (e.g. in CA) would seem the logical next step - pick a client who benefits them. There are millions of illegals who would of course want to vote for Hillary as the other guy wants to deport them! lol
Now, is there evidence for that? I haven't really looked but when I have time I might...

I'm asking you instead of "just do a bit of searching" because this "searching" we all rely on is part of the problem. My searches are going to be different than yours. Algorithmic bubbles we are all slipping into. You are the one who brought him up many pages back. Now if you just don't feel like doing what I asked you, that's fine, you don't owe me anything.

But I think you talk about George Soros because other people talk about him, and he bubbles up to the top of these aggregators and algorithms. "Trending" ... "1M people are talking about this" ... "I'm hearing things" ... Rumor, innuendo and insinuations.

I know if I was an illegal who overstayed my visa or paid a smuggler to get me in or swam across a river or trekked through a desert to bust my ass working and live in the shadows... there is nothing I'd rather do than risk all of that by scamming the local Board of Elections to get my name in the voter rolls and then show up, stand in line for an hour, pull the ultimate con job over the American electorate. Does it pay as well as protesting against Trump?

If there were millions that did this, you'd really hope there were records of at least 100 people getting caught, we might as well just hang up this whole democracy thing. Our Board of Elections across the country are either thoroughly corrupted or abject failures.

I'd also just remind you how crazy you thought my question to you about your immigration status in Germany was. The idea you'd incriminate yourself even in a semi-anonymous forum was a crazy one. So why would a million people with a compromised immigration status further compromise it in real life or via mail?

It's all one big argument from ignorance Trump is playing.

meloshouldgo wrote:I can't believe the guy they picked for Treasury secretary

This guy was a partner at (wait for it)
.
.
.

GOLDMAN SACHS for years, then right after the subprime crash he pulled together a group of billionaire investors to buy the failed INDY MAC bank from the Govt. They forced hundreds and thousands of middle class working people into financial ruin by forcing them to foreclose on their toxic home loans and made the Govt. pay for it. Those billionaires made additional billions though.

This guy is going to save the middle class. HEE-HAW
Opinionated voters with 7th grade math skills are about they get what they paid for.

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:Apparently, they may only do a machine recount rather than hand recount in Wisconsin. That's so sketchy. The whole point was that we don't know if the machines are counting the votes correctly.
http://www.jsonline.com/story/news/politics/elections/2016/11/28/elections-staff-layout-recount-timeline/94539210/

And if there's any rigging it is with the machines that can be hacked as well as undocumented immigrants being allowed to vote.

American citizens don't want to go to the polls..You think undocumented immigrants want to go vote when they aren't even on the rolls?..In republicans mind undocumented turnout is 1000%..

LOL - maybe the undocumented immigrants have a stronger sense of civic duty than American citizens do!

I really don't understand this suspicion that the undocumented are voting in our national elections. This obsession with George Soros. Trump's own claims of millions voting illegally. Maybe guns is right: conversation is useless. I've been fact-checking, questioning, asking for data, conceding points where I can figuring that the favor will be returned. But I feel like I'm using Emily Post etiquette in a bar fight. It's simply an approach to facts, truth, and logic I don't get. If this is the guy we get for America's lack of civic engagement, anti-intellectualism, money corrupted politics, and profit-driven news media, well... this is what we get.

At this point, I feel like working with kids on critical thinking, civics, and media literacy is the only hope. Because a lot of you adults are hopeless, including our President-elect.

Re George Soros, have you heard his short interview on 60 minutes? Just listen to him. He is an extremely powerful man with some very cold reasoning. He has had HUGE influence on our past elections, nations monies all over the world and quite a bit more. It is interesting to hear his perspective.

OK... "Donald Trump without the humility"... good joke. Well look, let's put Soros in the "get money out of politics" bucket then.

"How he destroys nations" — nice editorializing on the YouTube title... but the title and description lack basic information like the date this aired.

Rigging the elections by what: funding legal battles against the post-Voting Rights Act restrictions around the country? Or funding policies to deal with hate crimes http://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/22/us/politics/george-soros-hate-crimes.html Or is this just good ol' Elders of Sion boogeyman business?

If you can put forward your case in your own words with some citations to credible articles about why he's been such a huge influence, I'm game. But send me something that would pass muster for a librarian. Otherwise just seems like yet another distraction.

I'm not trying to hang Soros, he is just a powerful figure in world events (and not the traditional politician). I just posted that as it is neutral and in his own words (for the most part).
It gives you a better idea about his meddling in other governments affairs. He does some good things too, but he is basically a world elite trying to direct things where he see's fit.
If you want to learn more about him just do a bit of searching. What he has done is pretty bad at times though and the moral-ness of his actions is often in question.

Not sure on the voting. My guess is that since illegals coming across the border are trying so hard to get in the country, voting once they get here (e.g. in CA) would seem the logical next step - pick a client who benefits them. There are millions of illegals who would of course want to vote for Hillary as the other guy wants to deport them! lol
Now, is there evidence for that? I haven't really looked but when I have time I might...

Meddling in governments affairs???...Come on man...

Have you even tried to search anything on Soros?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/richardminiter/2011/09/09/should-george-soros-be-allowed-to-buy-u-s-foreign-policy/#396105be8f79

There is a host of information on him and that video I posted before actually more than touches on it, but in his own words. lol