Knickoftime wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I think this is just a common sense answer from my own personal view point. I think its pretty simplistic. African Americans are responsible for a disproportionate amount of violent crime so the police who are in charge of that area have their "eye" on them much more so than other races. I guess from a cops point of view--he is scared or at a minimum heightened when confronted with the possibility of dealing with a higher source of danger. Remember these guys put their lives on the line every day--so you have to factor in their mindset. I think it really is as simple as that. If black people believe that white people have it out for them--my friends--you are dead wrong. White people green people yellow people--most of us have an every day responsibility of family and we are to busy to think about anything other than immediate issue. If it wasnt for what I heard on TV I probably wouldve steered clear of this thread. I believe strongly that Im a decent and honest fellow and answering questions honestly--even if they potentially offend--although im not trying to do that--is just reasonable back and forth recourse on an issue thats been getting a lot of attention. Its disturbing to hear--as a white person--what I believe is some true deep seeded hatred African Americans seem to have. I dont believe in the hood nor do I believe in excuse of race. If race was such an issue why dont Chinese people complain?

My dad died when I was 8. I went to PS 230 in Brooklyn until I was 10 and moved to a small condo in Ct with my two brothers and Mom. I shared a room with my twin brother for 18 years--two pretty big guys in a small room. I didnt have the money for special sneakers or clothes--and I lived in a town that had some money. The money I had was working a paper route that I had to get up at 6 am before school to do shuffling snow or cutting grass. When i was 15 and old enough to work I worked washing dishes at a Chinese restaurant(maybe the worst job on Earth:) I loved and played all sports--I was tall and ended up being a very decent football player. I dedicated time to work hard on my school work every day--no one told me too--my Mom worked---I took it upon myself to be aggressive and compete on my studies while putting effort into working out working--I mean I had ZERO "privilege" believe me. On top of it I was Jewish--and Ive heard my fair amount of derogatory BS--but I just dealt with it and went about my day--majority of people liked my brother and I. My goal was to play football at Syracuse and become a gym teacher or sportscaster because that is what I loved. I ended up at Uconn and had to pay for my own school and soon found out the difference between being good at sports in hS and college were two different beasts--but I played 4 years and worked hard anyway. I stayed and paid at Uconn for 6 years--all the way to an MBA. I wasnt given a penny for help from anyone in my family--I paid for myself by working in the summer. I ended up in the business side by chance--simply thats what my first roommate was there for--so I went with it as well. I got a very decent job right away in NY after graduating--yada yada 8 years later I dont have to work anymore---some luck there and some cahones--but it was built on hard hard work from a young age with absolutely ZERO privilege. Nothing--so when I hear that I dont get it and I dont personally believe in it. I believe in Obama and thats why I voted for him twice. You have to work hard in this world and those who dont get left behind and bitch. Sorry white people dont hate black people yellow people or green people==really I dont even think about it nor do i care because to me its a non issue.. If I was black and lived in the hood--Id work three F jobs and would get the F out to move my family to a decent place. And those who live there and bthc about it--thats on them--no one in this world forces them to be there. And finally like I said--cut the crime rate down and my bet is a lot of good things will happen.

First off, stop generalizing and painting everyone with a broad brush. The majority of black people who live in the inner-city are decent hard working families and quite a few of them have worked hard and are working hard to move to safer areas and or make their community a safer place to live. Not all white people hate blacks, but to think there aren't whites who do hate blacks, again would be ignorant on your part.

The fact that you are saying the color of a persons skin is a non-issue is either ignorance on your part or denial....Do you agree that there is systemic racism in this country?

Hopefully these core issues will be addressed with a new President in place. I doubt the status quo will change under Hillary if it hasn't after 8yrs of Obama. She is even more in bed with the lobbyist and corporate American which fund her campaign in return for kick backs and status quo. Fewer jobs for Americans of every race and less chance to improve and control you own destiny. All the while corporations continue to line their pockets at the expensive of common folks. The rich become richer by keeping us the middle class and poor in a bubble and alive with their social governmental programs. Making it harder to advance and build a better life for yourself.

We need more American jobs and someone who isn't in bed with these billion dollar corporations and lobbyists. The wealth has to trickle down and be put into our economy to benefit us and not the rest of the world. American businesses can not compete in this corporate run market as presently constituted so they are taking their business elsewhere leading to fewer jobs. Fewer factory jobs etc. The people at he very top are getting wealthier at everyone's expense. Again not much has changed under 8yrs of Obama. Another 4-8yrs of Hillary and we will likely self destruct as the population increase and the job market continues shrinking on this current path

I hope you're under not illusion that a Republican president and a Republican led Congress would do anything in the direction you favor.

I don't think you quite understand conservative economic philosophy if you are. Conservatives are generally opposed to regulation and for tax cuts that favor corporations further "lining their pockets."

I'm not even certain you're quite clear on what you're advocating. You say American businesses cannot compete in this corporate run market, making it unclear how you're distinguishing American businesses and American corporations. Small businesses aren't locating overseas. Large corporations are importing manufacturing jobs overseas, because of lack of incentive to do so, which is a conservative ideal.

Lastly, the shift from manufacturing from labor-driven to automated is NOT an issue either Democrats or Republicans can fix, despite both parties wanting you to believe they can.

That genie is out of the bottle and there is no turning back.

Republican or Democrat it doesn't matter to me. I don't trust either party. I'm fairly certain there will be more jobs available for Americans with Trump than Hillary. More jobs for people who want to get out of the hole vs being stuck in the current social economical bubble and having the door shut on them

gunsnewing wrote:

Uptown wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I think this is just a common sense answer from my own personal view point. I think its pretty simplistic. African Americans are responsible for a disproportionate amount of violent crime so the police who are in charge of that area have their "eye" on them much more so than other races. I guess from a cops point of view--he is scared or at a minimum heightened when confronted with the possibility of dealing with a higher source of danger. Remember these guys put their lives on the line every day--so you have to factor in their mindset. I think it really is as simple as that. If black people believe that white people have it out for them--my friends--you are dead wrong. White people green people yellow people--most of us have an every day responsibility of family and we are to busy to think about anything other than immediate issue. If it wasnt for what I heard on TV I probably wouldve steered clear of this thread. I believe strongly that Im a decent and honest fellow and answering questions honestly--even if they potentially offend--although im not trying to do that--is just reasonable back and forth recourse on an issue thats been getting a lot of attention. Its disturbing to hear--as a white person--what I believe is some true deep seeded hatred African Americans seem to have. I dont believe in the hood nor do I believe in excuse of race. If race was such an issue why dont Chinese people complain?

My dad died when I was 8. I went to PS 230 in Brooklyn until I was 10 and moved to a small condo in Ct with my two brothers and Mom. I shared a room with my twin brother for 18 years--two pretty big guys in a small room. I didnt have the money for special sneakers or clothes--and I lived in a town that had some money. The money I had was working a paper route that I had to get up at 6 am before school to do shuffling snow or cutting grass. When i was 15 and old enough to work I worked washing dishes at a Chinese restaurant(maybe the worst job on Earth:) I loved and played all sports--I was tall and ended up being a very decent football player. I dedicated time to work hard on my school work every day--no one told me too--my Mom worked---I took it upon myself to be aggressive and compete on my studies while putting effort into working out working--I mean I had ZERO "privilege" believe me. On top of it I was Jewish--and Ive heard my fair amount of derogatory BS--but I just dealt with it and went about my day--majority of people liked my brother and I. My goal was to play football at Syracuse and become a gym teacher or sportscaster because that is what I loved. I ended up at Uconn and had to pay for my own school and soon found out the difference between being good at sports in hS and college were two different beasts--but I played 4 years and worked hard anyway. I stayed and paid at Uconn for 6 years--all the way to an MBA. I wasnt given a penny for help from anyone in my family--I paid for myself by working in the summer. I ended up in the business side by chance--simply thats what my first roommate was there for--so I went with it as well. I got a very decent job right away in NY after graduating--yada yada 8 years later I dont have to work anymore---some luck there and some cahones--but it was built on hard hard work from a young age with absolutely ZERO privilege. Nothing--so when I hear that I dont get it and I dont personally believe in it. I believe in Obama and thats why I voted for him twice. You have to work hard in this world and those who dont get left behind and bitch. Sorry white people dont hate black people yellow people or green people==really I dont even think about it nor do i care because to me its a non issue.. If I was black and lived in the hood--Id work three F jobs and would get the F out to move my family to a decent place. And those who live there and bthc about it--thats on them--no one in this world forces them to be there. And finally like I said--cut the crime rate down and my bet is a lot of good things will happen.

First off, stop generalizing and painting everyone with a broad brush. The majority of black people who live in the inner-city are decent hard working families and quite a few of them have worked hard and are working hard to move to safer areas and or make their community a safer place to live. Not all white people hate blacks, but to think there aren't whites who do hate blacks, again would be ignorant on your part.

The fact that you are saying the color of a persons skin is a non-issue is either ignorance on your part or denial....Do you agree that there is systemic racism in this country?

It persists but I think it has lessened significantly in the last twenty years. It'd help a hell of a lot if the fabulously and unprecedentedly wealthy black athletes like Carmelo Anthony gave up two-thirds of their earnings to inner city issues. Has that notion crossed your mind? To ask him or others to give back? Money talks and genuine untold wealth can help.

I was always of the opinion that black athletes that make it out of the inner city should give back in some way whether its money for youth programs, investing in black businesses or just to give their time. Jim Brown is not acknowledged enough for the charitable work he has done especially going into some of the worse crime infested areas and re-mediating meetings between gang leaders, etc. More athletes and entertainers need to do this because they are revered by many young kids in the inner city and have the resources and influence to provoke change.

For as much sh#t as Marbury has taken, the one great thing he did was help create affordable sneakers for kids. That was big and innovative and I was hoping some athletes would follow his lead.

No question Athletes being more involved will help tremendously. The best and most effective solution is better parenting and more stable homes regardless of what is happening in the streets, education and the job market.

Parenting and home stability go hand in hand with economic issues. I saw this all the time as a teacher, parents having to work multiple jobs not being able to supervise their children properly.

I saw the thing CashMoney talked about- kids being pressured to be part of groupings which did not appreciate the importance of education.

A late former colleague talked about one African-American student, who I only knew from my work in the Deans Office, as being very intelligent, but influenced by kids who saw the education thing as uncool.

The classic theory is that most things fashioning personality and actions come from the family...but as an educator of many years I simply cannot say that this is always the case, and I have too many examples of this during my career to doubt the power of peer influences.

I wish it was that easy to take the straight and narrow path. I think I was lucky. My father was a teacher and Athletic Director, but he still had to work extra hours to raise 8 kids while my mother gave up her career to be an in-home mother. We were lacking in some things- didn't get a color TV until I was in college, but we had enough money to reside in a nice neighborhood and live somewhat comfortably.

Hard for me to understand poverty myself, though I've seen it, and my school had a large population eligible for free school lunches...a sign of relative poverty or financial duress.

In some cases, your way of thinking works, but the world is much more complicated, IMO.

gunsnewing wrote:

Knickoftime wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I think this is just a common sense answer from my own personal view point. I think its pretty simplistic. African Americans are responsible for a disproportionate amount of violent crime so the police who are in charge of that area have their "eye" on them much more so than other races. I guess from a cops point of view--he is scared or at a minimum heightened when confronted with the possibility of dealing with a higher source of danger. Remember these guys put their lives on the line every day--so you have to factor in their mindset. I think it really is as simple as that. If black people believe that white people have it out for them--my friends--you are dead wrong. White people green people yellow people--most of us have an every day responsibility of family and we are to busy to think about anything other than immediate issue. If it wasnt for what I heard on TV I probably wouldve steered clear of this thread. I believe strongly that Im a decent and honest fellow and answering questions honestly--even if they potentially offend--although im not trying to do that--is just reasonable back and forth recourse on an issue thats been getting a lot of attention. Its disturbing to hear--as a white person--what I believe is some true deep seeded hatred African Americans seem to have. I dont believe in the hood nor do I believe in excuse of race. If race was such an issue why dont Chinese people complain?

My dad died when I was 8. I went to PS 230 in Brooklyn until I was 10 and moved to a small condo in Ct with my two brothers and Mom. I shared a room with my twin brother for 18 years--two pretty big guys in a small room. I didnt have the money for special sneakers or clothes--and I lived in a town that had some money. The money I had was working a paper route that I had to get up at 6 am before school to do shuffling snow or cutting grass. When i was 15 and old enough to work I worked washing dishes at a Chinese restaurant(maybe the worst job on Earth:) I loved and played all sports--I was tall and ended up being a very decent football player. I dedicated time to work hard on my school work every day--no one told me too--my Mom worked---I took it upon myself to be aggressive and compete on my studies while putting effort into working out working--I mean I had ZERO "privilege" believe me. On top of it I was Jewish--and Ive heard my fair amount of derogatory BS--but I just dealt with it and went about my day--majority of people liked my brother and I. My goal was to play football at Syracuse and become a gym teacher or sportscaster because that is what I loved. I ended up at Uconn and had to pay for my own school and soon found out the difference between being good at sports in hS and college were two different beasts--but I played 4 years and worked hard anyway. I stayed and paid at Uconn for 6 years--all the way to an MBA. I wasnt given a penny for help from anyone in my family--I paid for myself by working in the summer. I ended up in the business side by chance--simply thats what my first roommate was there for--so I went with it as well. I got a very decent job right away in NY after graduating--yada yada 8 years later I dont have to work anymore---some luck there and some cahones--but it was built on hard hard work from a young age with absolutely ZERO privilege. Nothing--so when I hear that I dont get it and I dont personally believe in it. I believe in Obama and thats why I voted for him twice. You have to work hard in this world and those who dont get left behind and bitch. Sorry white people dont hate black people yellow people or green people==really I dont even think about it nor do i care because to me its a non issue.. If I was black and lived in the hood--Id work three F jobs and would get the F out to move my family to a decent place. And those who live there and bthc about it--thats on them--no one in this world forces them to be there. And finally like I said--cut the crime rate down and my bet is a lot of good things will happen.

First off, stop generalizing and painting everyone with a broad brush. The majority of black people who live in the inner-city are decent hard working families and quite a few of them have worked hard and are working hard to move to safer areas and or make their community a safer place to live. Not all white people hate blacks, but to think there aren't whites who do hate blacks, again would be ignorant on your part.

The fact that you are saying the color of a persons skin is a non-issue is either ignorance on your part or denial....Do you agree that there is systemic racism in this country?

Hopefully these core issues will be addressed with a new President in place. I doubt the status quo will change under Hillary if it hasn't after 8yrs of Obama. She is even more in bed with the lobbyist and corporate American which fund her campaign in return for kick backs and status quo. Fewer jobs for Americans of every race and less chance to improve and control you own destiny. All the while corporations continue to line their pockets at the expensive of common folks. The rich become richer by keeping us the middle class and poor in a bubble and alive with their social governmental programs. Making it harder to advance and build a better life for yourself.

We need more American jobs and someone who isn't in bed with these billion dollar corporations and lobbyists. The wealth has to trickle down and be put into our economy to benefit us and not the rest of the world. American businesses can not compete in this corporate run market as presently constituted so they are taking their business elsewhere leading to fewer jobs. Fewer factory jobs etc. The people at he very top are getting wealthier at everyone's expense. Again not much has changed under 8yrs of Obama. Another 4-8yrs of Hillary and we will likely self destruct as the population increase and the job market continues shrinking on this current path

I hope you're under not illusion that a Republican president and a Republican led Congress would do anything in the direction you favor.

I don't think you quite understand conservative economic philosophy if you are. Conservatives are generally opposed to regulation and for tax cuts that favor corporations further "lining their pockets."

I'm not even certain you're quite clear on what you're advocating. You say American businesses cannot compete in this corporate run market, making it unclear how you're distinguishing American businesses and American corporations. Small businesses aren't locating overseas. Large corporations are importing manufacturing jobs overseas, because of lack of incentive to do so, which is a conservative ideal.

Lastly, the shift from manufacturing from labor-driven to automated is NOT an issue either Democrats or Republicans can fix, despite both parties wanting you to believe they can.

That genie is out of the bottle and there is no turning back.

Republican or Democrat it doesn't matter to me. I don't trust either party. I'm fairly certain there will be more jobs available for Americans with Trump than Hillary. More jobs for people who want to get out of the hole vs being stuck in the current social economical bubble and having the door shut on them

Okay, fair enough.

How will that occur?

Can you be specific please?

WaltLongmire wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Uptown wrote:

dk7th wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I think this is just a common sense answer from my own personal view point. I think its pretty simplistic. African Americans are responsible for a disproportionate amount of violent crime so the police who are in charge of that area have their "eye" on them much more so than other races. I guess from a cops point of view--he is scared or at a minimum heightened when confronted with the possibility of dealing with a higher source of danger. Remember these guys put their lives on the line every day--so you have to factor in their mindset. I think it really is as simple as that. If black people believe that white people have it out for them--my friends--you are dead wrong. White people green people yellow people--most of us have an every day responsibility of family and we are to busy to think about anything other than immediate issue. If it wasnt for what I heard on TV I probably wouldve steered clear of this thread. I believe strongly that Im a decent and honest fellow and answering questions honestly--even if they potentially offend--although im not trying to do that--is just reasonable back and forth recourse on an issue thats been getting a lot of attention. Its disturbing to hear--as a white person--what I believe is some true deep seeded hatred African Americans seem to have. I dont believe in the hood nor do I believe in excuse of race. If race was such an issue why dont Chinese people complain?

My dad died when I was 8. I went to PS 230 in Brooklyn until I was 10 and moved to a small condo in Ct with my two brothers and Mom. I shared a room with my twin brother for 18 years--two pretty big guys in a small room. I didnt have the money for special sneakers or clothes--and I lived in a town that had some money. The money I had was working a paper route that I had to get up at 6 am before school to do shuffling snow or cutting grass. When i was 15 and old enough to work I worked washing dishes at a Chinese restaurant(maybe the worst job on Earth:) I loved and played all sports--I was tall and ended up being a very decent football player. I dedicated time to work hard on my school work every day--no one told me too--my Mom worked---I took it upon myself to be aggressive and compete on my studies while putting effort into working out working--I mean I had ZERO "privilege" believe me. On top of it I was Jewish--and Ive heard my fair amount of derogatory BS--but I just dealt with it and went about my day--majority of people liked my brother and I. My goal was to play football at Syracuse and become a gym teacher or sportscaster because that is what I loved. I ended up at Uconn and had to pay for my own school and soon found out the difference between being good at sports in hS and college were two different beasts--but I played 4 years and worked hard anyway. I stayed and paid at Uconn for 6 years--all the way to an MBA. I wasnt given a penny for help from anyone in my family--I paid for myself by working in the summer. I ended up in the business side by chance--simply thats what my first roommate was there for--so I went with it as well. I got a very decent job right away in NY after graduating--yada yada 8 years later I dont have to work anymore---some luck there and some cahones--but it was built on hard hard work from a young age with absolutely ZERO privilege. Nothing--so when I hear that I dont get it and I dont personally believe in it. I believe in Obama and thats why I voted for him twice. You have to work hard in this world and those who dont get left behind and bitch. Sorry white people dont hate black people yellow people or green people==really I dont even think about it nor do i care because to me its a non issue.. If I was black and lived in the hood--Id work three F jobs and would get the F out to move my family to a decent place. And those who live there and bthc about it--thats on them--no one in this world forces them to be there. And finally like I said--cut the crime rate down and my bet is a lot of good things will happen.

First off, stop generalizing and painting everyone with a broad brush. The majority of black people who live in the inner-city are decent hard working families and quite a few of them have worked hard and are working hard to move to safer areas and or make their community a safer place to live. Not all white people hate blacks, but to think there aren't whites who do hate blacks, again would be ignorant on your part.

The fact that you are saying the color of a persons skin is a non-issue is either ignorance on your part or denial....Do you agree that there is systemic racism in this country?

It persists but I think it has lessened significantly in the last twenty years. It'd help a hell of a lot if the fabulously and unprecedentedly wealthy black athletes like Carmelo Anthony gave up two-thirds of their earnings to inner city issues. Has that notion crossed your mind? To ask him or others to give back? Money talks and genuine untold wealth can help.

I was always of the opinion that black athletes that make it out of the inner city should give back in some way whether its money for youth programs, investing in black businesses or just to give their time. Jim Brown is not acknowledged enough for the charitable work he has done especially going into some of the worse crime infested areas and re-mediating meetings between gang leaders, etc. More athletes and entertainers need to do this because they are revered by many young kids in the inner city and have the resources and influence to provoke change.

For as much sh#t as Marbury has taken, the one great thing he did was help create affordable sneakers for kids. That was big and innovative and I was hoping some athletes would follow his lead.

No question Athletes being more involved will help tremendously. The best and most effective solution is better parenting and more stable homes regardless of what is happening in the streets, education and the job market.

Too simplistic, my friend...and CashMoney himself, can attest to the power of peer pressure.

Parenting and home stability go hand in hand with economic issues. I saw this all the time as a teacher, parents having to work multiple jobs not being able to supervise their children properly.

I saw the thing CashMoney talked about- kids being pressured to be part of groupings which did not appreciate the importance of education.

A late former colleague talked about one African-American student, who I only knew from my work in the Deans Office, as being very intelligent, but influenced by kids who saw the education thing as uncool.

The classic theory is that most things fashioning personality and actions come from the family...but as an educator of many years I simply cannot say that this is always the case, and I have too many examples of this during my career to doubt the power of peer influences.

I wish it was that easy to take the straight and narrow path. I think I was lucky. My father was a teacher and Athletic Director, but he still had to work extra hours to raise 8 kids while my mother gave up her career to be an in-home mother. We were lacking in some things- didn't get a color TV until I was in college, but we had enough money to reside in a nice neighborhood and live somewhat comfortably.

Hard for me to understand poverty myself, though I've seen it, and my school had a large population eligible for free school lunches...a sign of relative poverty or financial duress.

In some cases, your way of thinking works, but the world is much more complicated, IMO.

Mass media is so powerful these days. It's like peer pressure with a profit motive. You bring up lacking things like a color TV... the irony being is that of course no one needs a TV to survive... technically. But socially, keeping up with the Joneses turns into keeping up with the Kardashians. It's all so insidious and distracting. I wish more people were boring like me watching PBS Newshour and our citizenry becoming more educated and engaged... but I understand — the anchors are sexier on every other newscast! Why learn about the crisis in Turkey when you can get This Week in Pokemon Go from a hottie?

I fantasize about celebrities suddenly having epiphanies and promoting all manner of positivity. I wish Kanye had a lot more KRS-ONE in him. He went from taking a sitting US President to task to... Keeping Up with the Kardashians!

I was in a play in college called "Day of Absence" about a Southern town where the black citizens magically disappear leaving the town in chaos. Sometimes I fantasize about black people en masse abandoning mass media and US popular culture and rebuild Black Wall Street and the Black Star Line like Marcus Garvey had and showing the US our true economic power. Reminds me of the Larry Johnson discussion we had before about "starting your own". I'm basically dreaming of "self-deportation" or "self-segregation". And that's ****ing heavy, man. Not even realistic, if it's even to be desired.

But that's what I feel when I hear "why aren't you more like the Chinese or the Jews" ... "ghetto" was first used for the Jewish section of Venice, remember. It's like black people are being punished for fighting for integration so other groups have it easier... both in the legislation that passes or by being used as a bogeyman to keep the other groups in line. "Don't complain, at least you aren't them".

gunsnewing wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

Uptown wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:I think this is just a common sense answer from my own personal view point. I think its pretty simplistic. African Americans are responsible for a disproportionate amount of violent crime so the police who are in charge of that area have their "eye" on them much more so than other races. I guess from a cops point of view--he is scared or at a minimum heightened when confronted with the possibility of dealing with a higher source of danger. Remember these guys put their lives on the line every day--so you have to factor in their mindset. I think it really is as simple as that. If black people believe that white people have it out for them--my friends--you are dead wrong. White people green people yellow people--most of us have an every day responsibility of family and we are to busy to think about anything other than immediate issue. If it wasnt for what I heard on TV I probably wouldve steered clear of this thread. I believe strongly that Im a decent and honest fellow and answering questions honestly--even if they potentially offend--although im not trying to do that--is just reasonable back and forth recourse on an issue thats been getting a lot of attention. Its disturbing to hear--as a white person--what I believe is some true deep seeded hatred African Americans seem to have. I dont believe in the hood nor do I believe in excuse of race. If race was such an issue why dont Chinese people complain?

My dad died when I was 8. I went to PS 230 in Brooklyn until I was 10 and moved to a small condo in Ct with my two brothers and Mom. I shared a room with my twin brother for 18 years--two pretty big guys in a small room. I didnt have the money for special sneakers or clothes--and I lived in a town that had some money. The money I had was working a paper route that I had to get up at 6 am before school to do shuffling snow or cutting grass. When i was 15 and old enough to work I worked washing dishes at a Chinese restaurant(maybe the worst job on Earth:) I loved and played all sports--I was tall and ended up being a very decent football player. I dedicated time to work hard on my school work every day--no one told me too--my Mom worked---I took it upon myself to be aggressive and compete on my studies while putting effort into working out working--I mean I had ZERO "privilege" believe me. On top of it I was Jewish--and Ive heard my fair amount of derogatory BS--but I just dealt with it and went about my day--majority of people liked my brother and I. My goal was to play football at Syracuse and become a gym teacher or sportscaster because that is what I loved. I ended up at Uconn and had to pay for my own school and soon found out the difference between being good at sports in hS and college were two different beasts--but I played 4 years and worked hard anyway. I stayed and paid at Uconn for 6 years--all the way to an MBA. I wasnt given a penny for help from anyone in my family--I paid for myself by working in the summer. I ended up in the business side by chance--simply thats what my first roommate was there for--so I went with it as well. I got a very decent job right away in NY after graduating--yada yada 8 years later I dont have to work anymore---some luck there and some cahones--but it was built on hard hard work from a young age with absolutely ZERO privilege. Nothing--so when I hear that I dont get it and I dont personally believe in it. I believe in Obama and thats why I voted for him twice. You have to work hard in this world and those who dont get left behind and bitch. Sorry white people dont hate black people yellow people or green people==really I dont even think about it nor do i care because to me its a non issue.. If I was black and lived in the hood--Id work three F jobs and would get the F out to move my family to a decent place. And those who live there and bthc about it--thats on them--no one in this world forces them to be there. And finally like I said--cut the crime rate down and my bet is a lot of good things will happen.

First off, stop generalizing and painting everyone with a broad brush. The majority of black people who live in the inner-city are decent hard working families and quite a few of them have worked hard and are working hard to move to safer areas and or make their community a safer place to live. Not all white people hate blacks, but to think there aren't whites who do hate blacks, again would be ignorant on your part.

The fact that you are saying the color of a persons skin is a non-issue is either ignorance on your part or denial....Do you agree that there is systemic racism in this country?

Hopefully these core issues will be addressed with a new President in place. I doubt the status quo will change under Hillary if it hasn't after 8yrs of Obama. She is even more in bed with the lobbyist and corporate American which fund her campaign in return for kick backs and status quo. Fewer jobs for Americans of every race and less chance to improve and control you own destiny. All the while corporations continue to line their pockets at the expensive of common folks. The rich become richer by keeping us the middle class and poor in a bubble and alive with their social governmental programs. Making it harder to advance and build a better life for yourself.

We need more American jobs and someone who isn't in bed with these billion dollar corporations and lobbyists. The wealth has to trickle down and be put into our economy to benefit us and not the rest of the world. American businesses can not compete in this corporate run market as presently constituted so they are taking their business elsewhere leading to fewer jobs. Fewer factory jobs etc. The people at he very top are getting wealthier at everyone's expense. Again not much has changed under 8yrs of Obama. Another 4-8yrs of Hillary and we will likely self destruct as the population increase and the job market continues shrinking on this current path

So tell me again...under which party did our recent "Great Recession" get started?

We've had a Great Depression and a Great Recession, both caused by Republican policy and a neglect to regulate the way the nation does business. If you look at history, you'll also know that Reaganomics failed, too. Throwing "trickle down" economics is not a good idea, since we've now learned that the trickle is usually going up.

Maybe Trump, if elected, can use the methods he perfected with Trump University to scam us into thinking that everything is good again.

Hopefully he would not have to face the obstructionism (perhaps racially motivated???) of the Republicans in the Senate and House, something which has been well documented, by the way.

Most of the issues in this nation's economy, and in the world have their origins in decisions made by the Bush administration...to deny this is to deny the truth.

yea I absolutely get that but it's been 8yrs. Too long to be blaming Bush imo.

For what?

I am hoping that his business sense, common sense, negotiating skills & leadership will be beneficial to all Americas. He actually cares for his country. He will do everything in his power to help Americans live a better and safer life.

Can you give any specific examples of him demonstrating any of these things?

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BRIGGS wrote:I think this is just a common sense answer from my own personal view point. I think its pretty simplistic. African Americans are responsible for a disproportionate amount of violent crime so the police who are in charge of that area have their "eye" on them much more so than other races. I guess from a cops point of view--he is scared or at a minimum heightened when confronted with the possibility of dealing with a higher source of danger. Remember these guys put their lives on the line every day--so you have to factor in their mindset. I think it really is as simple as that. If black people believe that white people have it out for them--my friends--you are dead wrong. White people green people yellow people--most of us have an every day responsibility of family and we are to busy to think about anything other than immediate issue. If it wasnt for what I heard on TV I probably wouldve steered clear of this thread. I believe strongly that Im a decent and honest fellow and answering questions honestly--even if they potentially offend--although im not trying to do that--is just reasonable back and forth recourse on an issue thats been getting a lot of attention. Its disturbing to hear--as a white person--what I believe is some true deep seeded hatred African Americans seem to have. I dont believe in the hood nor do I believe in excuse of race. If race was such an issue why dont Chinese people complain?

My dad died when I was 8. I went to PS 230 in Brooklyn until I was 10 and moved to a small condo in Ct with my two brothers and Mom. I shared a room with my twin brother for 18 years--two pretty big guys in a small room. I didnt have the money for special sneakers or clothes--and I lived in a town that had some money. The money I had was working a paper route that I had to get up at 6 am before school to do shuffling snow or cutting grass. When i was 15 and old enough to work I worked washing dishes at a Chinese restaurant(maybe the worst job on Earth:) I loved and played all sports--I was tall and ended up being a very decent football player. I dedicated time to work hard on my school work every day--no one told me too--my Mom worked---I took it upon myself to be aggressive and compete on my studies while putting effort into working out working--I mean I had ZERO "privilege" believe me. On top of it I was Jewish--and Ive heard my fair amount of derogatory BS--but I just dealt with it and went about my day--majority of people liked my brother and I. My goal was to play football at Syracuse and become a gym teacher or sportscaster because that is what I loved. I ended up at Uconn and had to pay for my own school and soon found out the difference between being good at sports in hS and college were two different beasts--but I played 4 years and worked hard anyway. I stayed and paid at Uconn for 6 years--all the way to an MBA. I wasnt given a penny for help from anyone in my family--I paid for myself by working in the summer. I ended up in the business side by chance--simply thats what my first roommate was there for--so I went with it as well. I got a very decent job right away in NY after graduating--yada yada 8 years later I dont have to work anymore---some luck there and some cahones--but it was built on hard hard work from a young age with absolutely ZERO privilege. Nothing--so when I hear that I dont get it and I dont personally believe in it. I believe in Obama and thats why I voted for him twice. You have to work hard in this world and those who dont get left behind and bitch. Sorry white people dont hate black people yellow people or green people==really I dont even think about it nor do i care because to me its a non issue.. If I was black and lived in the hood--Id work three F jobs and would get the F out to move my family to a decent place. And those who live there and bthc about it--thats on them--no one in this world forces them to be there. And finally like I said--cut the crime rate down and my bet is a lot of good things will happen.

First off, stop generalizing and painting everyone with a broad brush. The majority of black people who live in the inner-city are decent hard working families and quite a few of them have worked hard and are working hard to move to safer areas and or make their community a safer place to live. Not all white people hate blacks, but to think there aren't whites who do hate blacks, again would be ignorant on your part.

The fact that you are saying the color of a persons skin is a non-issue is either ignorance on your part or denial....Do you agree that there is systemic racism in this country?

It persists but I think it has lessened significantly in the last twenty years. It'd help a hell of a lot if the fabulously and unprecedentedly wealthy black athletes like Carmelo Anthony gave up two-thirds of their earnings to inner city issues. Has that notion crossed your mind? To ask him or others to give back? Money talks and genuine untold wealth can help.

I was always of the opinion that black athletes that make it out of the inner city should give back in some way whether its money for youth programs, investing in black businesses or just to give their time. Jim Brown is not acknowledged enough for the charitable work he has done especially going into some of the worse crime infested areas and re-mediating meetings between gang leaders, etc. More athletes and entertainers need to do this because they are revered by many young kids in the inner city and have the resources and influence to provoke change.

For as much sh#t as Marbury has taken, the one great thing he did was help create affordable sneakers for kids. That was big and innovative and I was hoping some athletes would follow his lead.

No question Athletes being more involved will help tremendously. The best and most effective solution is better parenting and more stable homes regardless of what is happening in the streets, education and the job market.

Too simplistic, my friend...and CashMoney himself, can attest to the power of peer pressure.

Parenting and home stability go hand in hand with economic issues. I saw this all the time as a teacher, parents having to work multiple jobs not being able to supervise their children properly.

I saw the thing CashMoney talked about- kids being pressured to be part of groupings which did not appreciate the importance of education.

A late former colleague talked about one African-American student, who I only knew from my work in the Deans Office, as being very intelligent, but influenced by kids who saw the education thing as uncool.

The classic theory is that most things fashioning personality and actions come from the family...but as an educator of many years I simply cannot say that this is always the case, and I have too many examples of this during my career to doubt the power of peer influences.

I wish it was that easy to take the straight and narrow path. I think I was lucky. My father was a teacher and Athletic Director, but he still had to work extra hours to raise 8 kids while my mother gave up her career to be an in-home mother. We were lacking in some things- didn't get a color TV until I was in college, but we had enough money to reside in a nice neighborhood and live somewhat comfortably.

Hard for me to understand poverty myself, though I've seen it, and my school had a large population eligible for free school lunches...a sign of relative poverty or financial duress.

In some cases, your way of thinking works, but the world is much more complicated, IMO.

Mass media is so powerful these days. It's like peer pressure with a profit motive. You bring up lacking things like a color TV... the irony being is that of course no one needs a TV to survive... technically. But socially, keeping up with the Joneses turns into keeping up with the Kardashians. It's all so insidious and distracting. I wish more people were boring like me watching PBS Newshour and our citizenry becoming more educated and engaged... but I understand — the anchors are sexier on every other newscast! Why learn about the crisis in Turkey when you can get This Week in Pokemon Go from a hottie?

I fantasize about celebrities suddenly having epiphanies and promoting all manner of positivity. I wish Kanye had a lot more KRS-ONE in him. He went from taking a sitting US President to task to... Keeping Up with the Kardashians!

I was in a play in college called "Day of Absence" about a Southern town where the black citizens magically disappear leaving the town in chaos. Sometimes I fantasize about black people en masse abandoning mass media and US popular culture and rebuild Black Wall Street and the Black Star Line like Marcus Garvey had and showing the US our true economic power. Reminds me of the Larry Johnson discussion we had before about "starting your own". I'm basically dreaming of "self-deportation" or "self-segregation". And that's ****ing heavy, man. Not even realistic, if it's even to be desired.

But that's what I feel when I hear "why aren't you more like the Chinese or the Jews" ... "ghetto" was first used for the Jewish section of Venice, remember. It's like black people are being punished for fighting for integration so other groups have it easier... both in the legislation that passes or by being used as a bogeyman to keep the other groups in line. "Don't complain, at least you aren't them".

You are touching on some Heavy topics here that I was hesitant to touch on in this forum. One of them being self segregation. Before integration, in Black wall street (which was in Oklahoma in the early 1900's) blacks relied on themselves and did for themselves. Blacks in Black Wall street created entrepreneurial opportunities for themselves, which included banks, hotels, cafes, clothiers, movie theaters, and contemporary homes.

Rep. Steve King (R-IA) on Monday challenged the other participants on an MSNBC panel to name a "subgroup" that contributed more to civilization than white people.

That smoking hot take came moments after Esquire writer Charles Pierce declared that the 2016 Republican National Convention would be the last time "old white people" would command the attention of the Republican Party.

"This whole business does get a little tired, Charlie," King said. "I would ask you to go back through history and figure out where are these contributions that have been made by these other categories of people that you are talking about, where did any other subgroup of people contribute more to civilization?"

"Than white people?" MSNBC host Chris Hayes interjected.

"Than—than western civilization itself that's rooted in western Europe, eastern Europe and the United States of America, and every place where christianity settled the world," King said. "That's all of western civilization."

"But what about Africa, what about Asia?" reporter April Ryan asked.

Everyone on the panel then began furiously speaking over each other.

"We are not going to argue the history of civilization," Hayes said, trying to get the segment back on track.

"Let's argue the history of this country, okay?" Ryan said.

The question is how do you go about raising the minimum wage? Seems to me we have to go after the bigger corporations and make them fund it by increasing their taxes. Problem is they run the show and have all the money and power leaving the funding to smaller businesses and the middle class who don't have a voice.

Who is going to challenge corporate billionaires? Can they be challenged?

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Uptown wrote:

DrAlphaeus wrote:

WaltLongmire wrote:Too simplistic, my friend...and CashMoney himself, can attest to the power of peer pressure.

Parenting and home stability go hand in hand with economic issues. I saw this all the time as a teacher, parents having to work multiple jobs not being able to supervise their children properly.

I saw the thing CashMoney talked about- kids being pressured to be part of groupings which did not appreciate the importance of education.

A late former colleague talked about one African-American student, who I only knew from my work in the Deans Office, as being very intelligent, but influenced by kids who saw the education thing as uncool.

The classic theory is that most things fashioning personality and actions come from the family...but as an educator of many years I simply cannot say that this is always the case, and I have too many examples of this during my career to doubt the power of peer influences.

I wish it was that easy to take the straight and narrow path. I think I was lucky. My father was a teacher and Athletic Director, but he still had to work extra hours to raise 8 kids while my mother gave up her career to be an in-home mother. We were lacking in some things- didn't get a color TV until I was in college, but we had enough money to reside in a nice neighborhood and live somewhat comfortably.

Hard for me to understand poverty myself, though I've seen it, and my school had a large population eligible for free school lunches...a sign of relative poverty or financial duress.

In some cases, your way of thinking works, but the world is much more complicated, IMO.

Mass media is so powerful these days. It's like peer pressure with a profit motive. You bring up lacking things like a color TV... the irony being is that of course no one needs a TV to survive... technically. But socially, keeping up with the Joneses turns into keeping up with the Kardashians. It's all so insidious and distracting. I wish more people were boring like me watching PBS Newshour and our citizenry becoming more educated and engaged... but I understand — the anchors are sexier on every other newscast! Why learn about the crisis in Turkey when you can get This Week in Pokemon Go from a hottie?

I fantasize about celebrities suddenly having epiphanies and promoting all manner of positivity. I wish Kanye had a lot more KRS-ONE in him. He went from taking a sitting US President to task to... Keeping Up with the Kardashians!

I was in a play in college called "Day of Absence" about a Southern town where the black citizens magically disappear leaving the town in chaos. Sometimes I fantasize about black people en masse abandoning mass media and US popular culture and rebuild Black Wall Street and the Black Star Line like Marcus Garvey had and showing the US our true economic power. Reminds me of the Larry Johnson discussion we had before about "starting your own". I'm basically dreaming of "self-deportation" or "self-segregation". And that's ****ing heavy, man. Not even realistic, if it's even to be desired.

But that's what I feel when I hear "why aren't you more like the Chinese or the Jews" ... "ghetto" was first used for the Jewish section of Venice, remember. It's like black people are being punished for fighting for integration so other groups have it easier... both in the legislation that passes or by being used as a bogeyman to keep the other groups in line. "Don't complain, at least you aren't them".

You are touching on some Heavy topics here that I was hesitant to touch on in this forum. One of them being self segregation. Before integration, in Black wall street (which was in Oklahoma in the early 1900's) blacks relied on themselves and did for themselves. Blacks in Black Wall street created entrepreneurial opportunities for themselves, which included banks, hotels, cafes, clothiers, movie theaters, and contemporary homes.

I think you put me on to some links about Black Wall Street in the past! I def remember reading about that in this forum, maybe in that Larry Johnson thread. Yea man, it's heavy. Because again, the ironic part is African-Americans are so quintessentially "American" to me, we been here so long, and got the Founding Fathers last names to prove it! Our ancestors were stripped of all economic wealth and most of our cultural wealth when we arrived here. So a literate person emigrating from China or the Jewish diaspora could be dead broke, but can read the great works of their culture from over a millennia ago... or when they came here in the 19th century were forced in ghettos and Chinatowns that were no-mans land for outsiders to develop economically... and then are able to network with Chinatowns and Jewish Quarters around the world. We have to compete with corporate America.

Personally, my mom's approach was to marry into a West Indian family, so luckily I have a couple of passports I can fall back on. Haha...

The thing is, most immigrants who come over have a country to call home or culture or religion to fall back on. Blacks in America are bastard children to be honest. Most feel unwanted here in America and we for damn sure lost touch with our roots in Africa. When we came over we were stripped of our language, culture and our God. A lot of us have been lost eversince.

We had our own China Town in Greenwood Oklahoma, (Black Wall street) but it suffered the most tragic bombing to ever take place on the U.S soil. Integration was trumpeted afterwards. We may have integrated in some sects but not in Corporate America...