I'll tell you the next excuse. We won't win a championship cause they let Lin walk. We'll see if I'm right.

Fact - Dolon is a moron - look at the crazy contracts he took on. He really took some chances with notoriously poor players. Lin - great work ethic, intelligent, great upcoming player - he lets walk.

ps - I'd rather be an intelligent Knicks fan, which is what New Yorkers are known for. Die Hard sounds unintelligent - like accepting all and not questioning. I don't play that game as it is dangerous.

Why do you think just about every team is starting even earlier than training camp?

Because the more time working on your craft together as a team is critical to success.

And these guys have yet to have that chance.

no it isn't the only thing for success, but it is crucial.

As far as Dolan....screw him, he isn't the one playing on the court, and he isn't the coach.

Every player on our team has had a measure of success, I think they will compete, whether they win it all, no way to predict.

earthmansurfer wrote:Knickcity - I never played pro ball so I don't exactly know the importance of training camp, but to compare a training camp to a season long of practices and games seems to be missing the point and just making an excuse.

I know enough about basketball to discuss it intelligently and not to judge other people based on their opinions or lack of information at times. Seems like the Lin thing is putting fans against fans, cause many of us just aren't happy with the decision and the others don't want to hear it.

Time will tell. We can all be sure more threads related to Lin will follow the season along. I think it is VERY CLEAR that by letting Lin go we became a weaker team. I don't see how one can argue that.

Teams need that especially for bonding and on court chemistry.

This past season every single stat category fell off the cliff, and alot was due to no camp and a shortened season.

If I've offended you my apologies right here....official.

As far as Lin goes, i do still feel he has a alot of question marks, not just because I don't care for him as a basketball player.

I want to see what he can do, with a full 82 games, racking up 35+ minutes a night.

I don't think talent will be his issue, because I think he has that, durability imo, will be his downfall.

He has to adjust his style of play otherwise he'll be in a suit alot more than fans will want.

But on this team, I'm not into the best player mantra, give me the best fit.

I'm sold our pg rotation is the best fit, and as a knicks fan first and foremost, I hope i'm not wrong.

3G4G wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NUPE wrote:This thread is so absolutely dumb. People really think Lin is better than Amar'e. LMAO!

People used to say "Gallo is better than Melo"

It's a phase, people grow out of it. Like different size Pampers.

Give them time.

At the same time it's no different than when fans get into a discussion between Lebron and Melo

There will be a large contingency of fans that say Lebron>>>>>Melo and the other side of the argument will say something foolish to this nature...

"Hey if it's for 1 game or head-to-head I like my chances Melo betters Lebron. Especially if comes down to the final possession. While Lebron may be the better overall player, Melo is more clutch than Lebron and embraces the moment. So all things being equal I'll take Melo."

This is there way of saying Melo>>>>>>Lebron

Now use this same rationale when it comes to Galo and Melo...Who has played better head-to-head when they've faced each other and who stands a chance to come out better in a 1 game face off or series?

Yes overall I agree with your premise... fans catch/latch on to a front running saying or ride a pop culture phase

No sane person thinks Melo is better than LeBron. Melo is statistically more clutch but I would still take LeBron over Melo at all times. LeBron is just the better player. Really, LeBron is better than all other players in the NBA my statement here takes nothing away from Melo who is a stud as well.

NUPE wrote:

3G4G wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NUPE wrote:This thread is so absolutely dumb. People really think Lin is better than Amar'e. LMAO!

People used to say "Gallo is better than Melo"

It's a phase, people grow out of it. Like different size Pampers.

Give them time.

At the same time it's no different than when fans get into a discussion between Lebron and Melo

There will be a large contingency of fans that say Lebron>>>>>Melo and the other side of the argument will say something foolish to this nature...

"Hey if it's for 1 game or head-to-head I like my chances Melo betters Lebron. Especially if comes down to the final possession. While Lebron may be the better overall player, Melo is more clutch than Lebron and embraces the moment. So all things being equal I'll take Melo."

This is there way of saying Melo>>>>>>Lebron

Now use this same rationale when it comes to Galo and Melo...Who has played better head-to-head when they've faced each other and who stands a chance to come out better in a 1 game face off or series?

Yes overall I agree with your premise... fans catch/latch on to a front running saying or ride a pop culture phase

No sane person thinks Melo is better than LeBron. Melo is statistically more clutch but I would still take LeBron over Melo at all times. LeBron is just the better player. Really, LeBron is better than all other players in the NBA my statement here takes nothing away from Melo who is a stud as well.

Agreed but it's not irrational or farfetched to say LIN has far more intangibles than Amar'e. There are so many things to take into consideration when measuring a player's impact/value/effect/talent level in this league.

I don't think it's that outlandish to say LIN>>>>Amar'e

It's no different than fans blacking out on what Amar'e did his first year compared to Melo. If you were to take a pulse of this fan base you'd think Melo was Lebron and Amar'e was Carl Landry.

Trust this is the last fan base any fan would want to consult to get an accurate assessment on anything

knickcity - I can agree with most of what you are saying, but I can't see how we are better without Lin. Having Lin and Felton both on the team (as well as one of Kidd or Priogoni - whatever his name is), just gives us more options.

3G4G wrote:

NUPE wrote:

3G4G wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

NUPE wrote:This thread is so absolutely dumb. People really think Lin is better than Amar'e. LMAO!

People used to say "Gallo is better than Melo"

It's a phase, people grow out of it. Like different size Pampers.

Give them time.

At the same time it's no different than when fans get into a discussion between Lebron and Melo

There will be a large contingency of fans that say Lebron>>>>>Melo and the other side of the argument will say something foolish to this nature...

"Hey if it's for 1 game or head-to-head I like my chances Melo betters Lebron. Especially if comes down to the final possession. While Lebron may be the better overall player, Melo is more clutch than Lebron and embraces the moment. So all things being equal I'll take Melo."

This is there way of saying Melo>>>>>>Lebron

Now use this same rationale when it comes to Galo and Melo...Who has played better head-to-head when they've faced each other and who stands a chance to come out better in a 1 game face off or series?

Yes overall I agree with your premise... fans catch/latch on to a front running saying or ride a pop culture phase

No sane person thinks Melo is better than LeBron. Melo is statistically more clutch but I would still take LeBron over Melo at all times. LeBron is just the better player. Really, LeBron is better than all other players in the NBA my statement here takes nothing away from Melo who is a stud as well.

Agreed but it's not irrational or farfetched to say LIN has far more intangibles than Amar'e. There are so many things to take into consideration when measuring a player's impact/value/effect/talent level in this league.

I don't think it's that outlandish to say LIN>>>>Amar'e

It's no different than fans blacking out on what Amar'e did his first year compared to Melo. If you were to take a pulse of this fan base you'd think Melo was Lebron and Amar'e was Carl Landry.

Trust this is the last fan base any fan would want to consult to get an accurate assessment on anything

+550,000

tkf wrote:

NUPE wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Dolon is a moron of an owner. He just let our chance at a championship slide (at least get noticeably much lower).

There is no basis for this statement. Lin is turnover prone, struggles against full court pressure defense and plays bad defense. Every top tier pg would destroy him. This has been somewhat proven. I do understand that Lin will get better but the fact that he lacks some basic skills (left hand and bringing the ball up the court against pressure defense) is highly problematic particularly considering the top tier teams and pg's in the Eastern Conference.

What Lin excels at is driving and scoring. I also give him credit for being confident. However, the Knicks do not lack scoring. They did lack a pg that would run the offense and get players the ball in their best spots consistently.

The Knicks chances of winning a title are tied to Amare and Melo and the team defense. That is it. Anyone that thinks Lin alters the Knicks destiny in some major way is delusional. Felton and Kidd will be more than adequate replacements for Lin. I'd agree with you if the Knicks let Lin walk then decided to let Shumpert or J.R. Smith run the point.

ALL TOP TIER PG's destroy each other.. what is your point?

It died(lol)

but carrying on....

earthmansurfer wrote:3G4G - That is what I was getting at when I brought up Lin being a 2nd (or 3rd) offensive option. As I said before they play different positions, so it's tough to compare them, but when Stat gets the ball away from the basket, outside of taking a shot, I cringe (and I think many of us do) when he does his move to the basket. He is not great there. Lin however never had that weakness to such a huge extent - but he is a pg, to be expected to a point. I think Stat is great when in motion and set up. When knickcity said he was dumbfounded that anyone could think Amare and Lin were equal on offense, well, I see his point but in many situations I would prefer Lin having the ball as I don't cringe when he drives and tries to create. Yes, he turned it over a fair amount, but considering his usage and style and being a rookie, it wasn't alarming to me - albeit a bit annoying at times. Also, Lin is just a much more intelligent player than Stat, and I just trust the ball in his hands more.

knickcity - I can agree with most of what you are saying, but I can't see how we are better without Lin. Having Lin and Felton both on the team (as well as one of Kidd or Priogoni - whatever his name is), just gives us more options.

Hey putting on my I-SAY-A hat

Lin the right handed point guard needs to learn how to dribble left

Amar'e should have been amnestied to make a weak attempt to trade for CP3

Yep as you can see they're still comparable....trolol

There's nothing dumbfounded on them being equal on offense because they effect the offense quite differently.

How many dimes is Amar'e dropping to Novak for 3's?

How many Lobs is Amar'e throwing to Chandler for potential And1's

How probable is it Amar'e makes Jeffries look very much serviceable compared to Lin?

Let me guess Amar'e is better because he dunks the basketball harder?

Amar'e was getting his shot blocked and turning the ball over almost as much as Lin and?

Look Amar'e is a better player than Lin but it's primarily based on proven body of work, but if Lin is anything like he was during 8-1 Linsanity for 82gms well I'm taking Lin over Amar'e unless Amar'e returns to Pre-Melo trade.

3G4G wrote:
I don't think it's that outlandish to say LIN>>>>Amar'e

knickscity wrote:I'm only looking at fit, distraction and knowing roles.

The trio we have fit this, none were brought to do anything more than run the offense, get guys shots, and check the ego at the door.

Not saying Lin can't do these, but I can't say he showed it.

He looked great running the show without the big dogs, but clearly was not comfortable when they returned, most notably Amare.

This facets eliminates one of those 'excuses'.

These guys are one, i truly believe that.

Having almost your whole team talk about your contract is a clear sign of not really being a good prescence for chemistry and bonding.

Not saying Lin can't do these, but I can't say he showed it.

sure he did, just ask fields, jeffries and novak, and tyson chandler had more lob passes thrown his way with lin than any time in his career since playing with chris paul...

It is the inability or lack of desire to want to adjust their game that seemed to be the problem with guys like melo playing with lin. I didn't seem many problems he had with amare, except that lin seemed to like playing pick and roll with chandler more.. and it worked... well!

He looked great running the show without the big dogs,

you guys crack me up with pumping up our guys.."big dogs"..rofl.. dude, let get this straight, the knicks don't have anyone at this point deserving to be called big dogs.. everyone is up for review and this team should be built around those who contribute most to winning..... not getting their personal stats.. to amare's credit, he has been forced to change his game and he hasn't whined or gotten his coach fired....

Having almost your whole team talk about your contract is a clear sign of not really being a good prescence for chemistry and bonding.

funny you say that.. Kid has been too busy getting drunk, and has already mentioned playing behind lin wasn't a problem.. camby hasn't talked about lin's deal. neither has amare, or chandler.... but who has? the two resident stooges... carmelo and JR(mental midget) smith.....Lin's contract wasn't a "team" problem, it was an isiah problem, a melo problem, and a JR smith problem.... in the end.. I-stay-A seems to prevail..