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yellowboy90
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4/15/2012  3:44 PM
Also a big overlooked Key was that Melo played the whole 3rd and didn't get his normal rest in the 4th. Also, Jeffries is not back and that hurts right now. Another move was bring ing in Davis which is what we needed but you also need Novak at there too. Oh well. Its just one of those decisions that coaches have to make and sometimes it works and sometimes it do not.
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4/15/2012  3:44 PM
Kevin Love would be the absolute perfect player at the 4 for us. He can knockdown open shot and rebounds. To bad it is only a pipe dream.
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4/15/2012  3:44 PM
Nix still on the MDA is right kick ..Still, really??
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4/15/2012  3:44 PM    LAST EDITED: 4/15/2012  3:45 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
Uptown wrote:
nixluva wrote:You can't beat the better teams without some kind of efficient and smart offense. You can get stops and such, but the Heat, Bulls, Celtics will match us on D and we'll have to be much better at scoring the ball. ISO Melo can only get you so far against the playoff teams. I know some don't wanna hear this but it's the truth! You're not beating one of those teams in 7 games relying on ISO ball.

Did you not watch thew other side of the floor?! Wade and Lebron took turnd ISOING us and closed the show! Difference is, it was 2 vs 1....

Wade and Lebron were exclusively ISO'ing the last 4 minutes of the game.

Exactly. Sure they mixed in a few PNR's for good measure but for the most part it was ISO city....

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4/15/2012  3:45 PM
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nixluva wrote:You can't beat the better teams without some kind of efficient and smart offense. You can get stops and such, but the Heat, Bulls, Celtics will match us on D and we'll have to be much better at scoring the ball. ISO Melo can only get you so far against the playoff teams. I know some don't wanna hear this but it's the truth! You're not beating one of those teams in 7 games relying on ISO ball.

Did you not watch thew other side of the floor?! Wade and Lebron took turnd ISOING us and closed the show! Difference is, it was 2 vs 1....


WADE JUST SAID THEY RAN PICK AND ROLL AND GOT INTO THEIR OFFENSIVE SETS!!! I JUST WATCHED THEM RUN BOSH/WADE AND LEBRON/WADE PnR!!! Go back and look at the bulk of their possessions and they started off actually running good set plays! They also got some good passes off a spread floor. It was slso some good ISO, but they DIDN'T RELY ON IT!!!!
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4/15/2012  3:46 PM
Knicksfan wrote:This team has ADD. How can you keep the came close so long, lead by 4 and now trail by double digits. This team is so freaking immature. So hard to root for them when they can play so well, suddenly lose focus and be blown away.

This was a game we should've won. This was a game we had to establish we won't let it be easy on opponents visiting MSG. The Heat are not playing well and this was very winnable.

Why did we lose? We didn't follow the gameplan in the last 7 minutes and played to lose shooting so many jumpers, missing our defensive assignaments, failing to secure the rebound and giving up easy baskets.

This is a disgusting team because we ARE a good team. When you play so well without Lin and State, you have no excuses. When you get up by 4 in the last minutes of the fourth, its INEXCUSABLE to lose and by so many points.

INEXCUSABLE LOSS! Miami isn't that great of a team and allowing them so many easy shots and shooting terrible jumpers is idiotic. To allow the Heat a sweep of you and they could possibly be your playoff opponent when being more focused would've netted you a HUGE win? PHUK IT!!! Horrible loss!

Get off the Ledge. The Heat are the favorites to win the Chip by most and now Miami isn't a great team?? Words like disgusting, freaking immature, inexcusable? REally? they weren't up 4 in the last minutes of the fourth..it was at about 7 minutes or maybe even earlier than that.

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4/15/2012  3:46 PM
nixluva wrote:
Uptown wrote:
nixluva wrote:You can't beat the better teams without some kind of efficient and smart offense. You can get stops and such, but the Heat, Bulls, Celtics will match us on D and we'll have to be much better at scoring the ball. ISO Melo can only get you so far against the playoff teams. I know some don't wanna hear this but it's the truth! You're not beating one of those teams in 7 games relying on ISO ball.

Did you not watch thew other side of the floor?! Wade and Lebron took turnd ISOING us and closed the show! Difference is, it was 2 vs 1....


WADE JUST SAID THEY RAN PICK AND ROLL AND GOT INTO THEIR OFFENSIVE SETS!!! I JUST WATCHED THEM RUN BOSH/WADE AND LEBRON/WADE PnR!!! Go back and look at the bulk of their possessions and they started off actually running good set plays! They also got some good passes off a spread floor. It was slso some good ISO, but they DIDN'T RELY ON IT!!!!

The 2 dagger jumpers consecutively by Wade and by James to put the game away to 7 point cushion were ISO.

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4/15/2012  3:46 PM
Give the Heat Credit. James did a good job down the stretch pushing Melo off the block and denying. They also hit a ton of tough shots down the stretch. Thats why this is a superstar league. Need guys that can make tough shots. They have two of the best we have one....
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4/15/2012  3:48 PM
nixluva wrote:
Uptown wrote:
nixluva wrote:You can't beat the better teams without some kind of efficient and smart offense. You can get stops and such, but the Heat, Bulls, Celtics will match us on D and we'll have to be much better at scoring the ball. ISO Melo can only get you so far against the playoff teams. I know some don't wanna hear this but it's the truth! You're not beating one of those teams in 7 games relying on ISO ball.

Did you not watch thew other side of the floor?! Wade and Lebron took turnd ISOING us and closed the show! Difference is, it was 2 vs 1....


WADE JUST SAID THEY RAN PICK AND ROLL AND GOT INTO THEIR OFFENSIVE SETS!!! I JUST WATCHED THEM RUN BOSH/WADE AND LEBRON/WADE PnR!!! Go back and look at the bulk of their possessions and they started off actually running good set plays! They also got some good passes off a spread floor. It was slso some good ISO, but they DIDN'T RELY ON IT!!!!

It was simple you both are right. They used the PNR to get a missmatch since they know we switch so easy, then they ISO the mismatch. This is why Chandler was on Wade so much near the end of the game.

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4/15/2012  3:48 PM
ChuckBuck wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Uptown wrote:
nixluva wrote:You can't beat the better teams without some kind of efficient and smart offense. You can get stops and such, but the Heat, Bulls, Celtics will match us on D and we'll have to be much better at scoring the ball. ISO Melo can only get you so far against the playoff teams. I know some don't wanna hear this but it's the truth! You're not beating one of those teams in 7 games relying on ISO ball.

Did you not watch thew other side of the floor?! Wade and Lebron took turnd ISOING us and closed the show! Difference is, it was 2 vs 1....


WADE JUST SAID THEY RAN PICK AND ROLL AND GOT INTO THEIR OFFENSIVE SETS!!! I JUST WATCHED THEM RUN BOSH/WADE AND LEBRON/WADE PnR!!! Go back and look at the bulk of their possessions and they started off actually running good set plays! They also got some good passes off a spread floor. It was slso some good ISO, but they DIDN'T RELY ON IT!!!!

The 2 dagger jumpers consecutively by Wade and by James to put the game away to 7 point cushion were ISO.

You just don't get it! How did they get into those shots? Did the plays start off as pure ISO or did they run a set that included a pick to get open? Many of the plays involved a spread floor and a PICK! Of course they also got some ISO plays. I'm saying that if you compare what the Knicks did to what they did, it's not even close in terms of ball and player movement and picks and good spacing!!!

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4/15/2012  3:49 PM
Uptown wrote:Give the Heat Credit. James did a good job down the stretch pushing Melo off the block and denying. They also hit a ton of tough shots down the stretch. Thats why this is a superstar league. Need guys that can make tough shots. They have two of the best we have one....
ya but the heat are lucky we are missing our second superstar and a goood pg it does help the heat in that regard
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4/15/2012  3:49 PM
nixluva wrote:You can't beat the better teams without some kind of efficient and smart offense. You can get stops and such, but the Heat, Bulls, Celtics will match us on D and we'll have to be much better at scoring the ball. ISO Melo can only get you so far against the playoff teams. I know some don't wanna hear this but it's the truth! You're not beating one of those teams in 7 games relying on ISO ball.

You can't beat good teams with only one consistent scorer. NAME THE TEAM THAT CAN!!

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4/15/2012  3:49 PM
Clean wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Uptown wrote:
nixluva wrote:You can't beat the better teams without some kind of efficient and smart offense. You can get stops and such, but the Heat, Bulls, Celtics will match us on D and we'll have to be much better at scoring the ball. ISO Melo can only get you so far against the playoff teams. I know some don't wanna hear this but it's the truth! You're not beating one of those teams in 7 games relying on ISO ball.

Did you not watch thew other side of the floor?! Wade and Lebron took turnd ISOING us and closed the show! Difference is, it was 2 vs 1....


WADE JUST SAID THEY RAN PICK AND ROLL AND GOT INTO THEIR OFFENSIVE SETS!!! I JUST WATCHED THEM RUN BOSH/WADE AND LEBRON/WADE PnR!!! Go back and look at the bulk of their possessions and they started off actually running good set plays! They also got some good passes off a spread floor. It was slso some good ISO, but they DIDN'T RELY ON IT!!!!

It was simple you both are right. They used the PNR to get a missmatch since they know we switch so easy, then they ISO the mismatch. This is why Chandler was on Wade so much near the end of the game.

I can agree with that. It was ISO after the switch on the screen, yes.

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4/15/2012  3:49 PM
holfresh wrote:Hope people now understand why Amare needs to play the 4..

True.

All that talk is just folks getting caught up in the moment. Games like today should sober some of the smarter ones in that faction, and those who keep harping about us "not needing Amar'e ".

Another season, and more adversity to persevere through. We will get the job done, even BETTER than last year. GO KNICKS!
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4/15/2012  3:49 PM
nixluva wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
nixluva wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
nixluva wrote:You can't beat the better teams without some kind of efficient and smart offense. You can get stops and such, but the Heat, Bulls, Celtics will match us on D and we'll have to be much better at scoring the ball. ISO Melo can only get you so far against the playoff teams. I know some don't wanna hear this but it's the truth! You're not beating one of those teams in 7 games relying on ISO ball.

We need a second scorer, that's why we lost.

You can't oversimplify it like that. All of those 4th qtr possessions, we ended up with poor spacing, no player or ball movement, no PnR!!! Meanwhile the Heat killed us with PnR, spread floor, Ball and Player movement.

James 29, Wade 28. Anthony 42. Pretty simple to me.

See that's the kind of thing that just gets overplayed. You think that they did it only going ISO like we did? They actually ran plays and used PnR, Spread the floor and made smart passes. I implore you to go back and look at the 4th qtr plays they ran and the ones we ran!!!!

They ran basic pick and rolls into ISO. didn't see much smart passing. Saw a lot of tough shots most humans wouldn't hit.

We panicked at end when we went down like 4 with those rushed 3s by Melo and JR. those weren't even ISO shots vs. rushed 3s early in shot clock. We might have scored more if we actually went ISO Melo on the block but I think he was tired by then.

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4/15/2012  3:49 PM
I love Shumpert, but if he wants to be something more than a defensive specialist in this league, he HAS to work on his offense and become a voice out there. We NEED scoring from our guards and right now NONE is providing it.

Fields, I just hate you. You are horrible and our official run-killer.

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4/15/2012  3:50 PM
Knicksfan wrote:I love Shumpert, but if he wants to be something more than a defensive specialist in this league, he HAS to work on his offense and become a voice out there. We NEED scoring from our guards and right now NONE is providing it.

Fields, I just hate you. You are horrible and our official run-killer.

true but he he is injured right now
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4/15/2012  3:52 PM
nixluva wrote:
Uptown wrote:
nixluva wrote:You can't beat the better teams without some kind of efficient and smart offense. You can get stops and such, but the Heat, Bulls, Celtics will match us on D and we'll have to be much better at scoring the ball. ISO Melo can only get you so far against the playoff teams. I know some don't wanna hear this but it's the truth! You're not beating one of those teams in 7 games relying on ISO ball.

Did you not watch thew other side of the floor?! Wade and Lebron took turnd ISOING us and closed the show! Difference is, it was 2 vs 1....


WADE JUST SAID THEY RAN PICK AND ROLL AND GOT INTO THEIR OFFENSIVE SETS!!! I JUST WATCHED THEM RUN BOSH/WADE AND LEBRON/WADE PnR!!! Go back and look at the bulk of their possessions and they started off actually running good set plays! They also got some good passes off a spread floor. It was slso some good ISO, but they DIDN'T RELY ON IT!!!!

Those simple PnRs still were done to get "ISOLATIONS" with a slight advantage for mostly Wade.

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4/15/2012  3:52 PM
I also saw we ran PnR with Davis and Chandler which lead to turnovers and bad shots at the end of the 24. Miami had two options with Bosh blowing by our bigs. This was a game where no one but Melo could create the offense and due to a lack of rest and the only one player who can guard Lebron that is going to take a toll. You need good pg play to take down the Heat consistantly. When pgs get it going it makes the heat put Lebron on their pg but with the Knicks they can't do that. If Lin was healthy man the Knicks would be great against every team.
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4/15/2012  3:53 PM
nixluva wrote:
ChuckBuck wrote:
nixluva wrote:
Uptown wrote:
nixluva wrote:You can't beat the better teams without some kind of efficient and smart offense. You can get stops and such, but the Heat, Bulls, Celtics will match us on D and we'll have to be much better at scoring the ball. ISO Melo can only get you so far against the playoff teams. I know some don't wanna hear this but it's the truth! You're not beating one of those teams in 7 games relying on ISO ball.

Did you not watch thew other side of the floor?! Wade and Lebron took turnd ISOING us and closed the show! Difference is, it was 2 vs 1....


WADE JUST SAID THEY RAN PICK AND ROLL AND GOT INTO THEIR OFFENSIVE SETS!!! I JUST WATCHED THEM RUN BOSH/WADE AND LEBRON/WADE PnR!!! Go back and look at the bulk of their possessions and they started off actually running good set plays! They also got some good passes off a spread floor. It was slso some good ISO, but they DIDN'T RELY ON IT!!!!

The 2 dagger jumpers consecutively by Wade and by James to put the game away to 7 point cushion were ISO.

You just don't get it! How did they get into those shots? Did the plays start off as pure ISO or did they run a set that included a pick to get open? Many of the plays involved a spread floor and a PICK! Of course they also got some ISO plays. I'm saying that if you compare what the Knicks did to what they did, it's not even close in terms of ball and player movement and picks and good spacing!!!

Nix, you also have to consider time and score. Miami was up, so the objective was to milkk the clock and get a good up a shot from either Wade or LeBron. We were down, and battling the clock. Melo rushed 2 of his shots down the stretch. If the score was tied or we are down two, I'm pretty sure we wouldn't have rushed up shots and would have ran a more methodical set. Players error. It happeneds all the time when the other team is down and are trying to get up quick shots and foul on the other end.

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