Cartman718 wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Depending on where you look, I see it ranging from 3 Billion to 10 Billion.

you have to do the digging since you are the one claiming some random number between 3 and 10 billion. has he shown you or any credible source his taxes?

You asked me, sarcastically it appears. I don't really care about how much he made and if it is so important to you, then look it up or do your DD.

I'm more worried about what Trump is going to do. I have some reservations (e.g. Nuclear Energy, Tax cuts = he must cut government spending).
We are in a difficult situation. Obama tripled the deficit in 8 years (I understand the banking system was on the brink) so the next few years are going to really be tough.

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:His lack of conscience, tone deaf worship of wealth and accumulation and apparent lack of moral compass bother me. This is the exact thing Marx warned about. Greedy people letting their last for money go out of control and becoming enslaved by an inanimate object with no real value.

Marks is a Man... but Lenin, Mao, and Stalin enhanced his ideas even better.
Using his teaching they enslaved hundreds of millions to serve ideas which have great values on their own.
Sad this people rebel and screw them over. We need to try it in America... may be it will work this time?

We have already established you have less than zero understanding of Marx, Orwell or socialism. The comment above wasn't about Trump, it was about you. You lust for wealth has created the type of mindset that is devoid of any morals and/or scruples. I find you truly repulsive and nauseating. I will not debate anything with you, I have no intention of legitimizing your drivel by doing so.

Truth is nauseating.
You are too personal.
I am not some celebrity to talk about me.
I never call you out by any means as it is not polite for the standards of modern civilization.
I know you are from some stone age place so I have no issues with you personally.
It takes time to adjust to the world were people can debate anything freely and all opinions are accepted.
Hopefully your children will adapt and became normal modern people.

Yes because calling me stone age and non adaptable is real polite. But you are right in that I am not trying to be polite with you either. And leave my children out if this.

This is not about me personally disliking you it's about me finding your stated position reprehensible and unconscionable. All I know about you is that you are an unverified self proclaimed Russian jew hiding behind a wall of anonymity and spewing propaganda. With nothing but your own personal "experience" to back it up.

Maybe your family was persecuted by the Russian Govt. I don't know your history, but you are the one who is being personal and it's about how you "feel" about socialism and Russia. You are incapable of coherent thought or articulation. And you cant stop conflating socialism with communist Russia because of your experience. This just shows that you take all mention of Russia personally and have no reasonable ability to have a discussion about it.

We did have a discussion about socialism or I tried to. But you didn't make a single point other than repeating the propaganda you were taught as a child. And you make it sound like you are speaking for how all Russians feel when I have provided far more trustworthy data that more than 55% would rather go back to the old ways. Yet we should just believe an anonymous poster on a message board as the ultimate representation of the Russian community.

Everyone is entitled to an informed opinion, ignorance and propaganda are not opinions worthy of consideration. Your inability to actually sort out the noise from the truth makes you unworthy of having an opinion.

Its a long post about me... Thank you for the attention to my persona.
Obviously I have to hide because from my experience one and ones family can get in trouble with people like you even in US when just expressing some opinion you would not like.
I am not directing my arguments to you. It is lost course.
I am trying to keep others informed and aware about dire consequences of leftism and populism. Ignorance and propaganda are the main weapons used the spread this diseases.
The trademark for this pundits is simple - instead of factual argument they will always use personality attacks as this is best detraction from factual discussion.

So now you are down to implying you need to keep your family safe from me?
And you have provided factual arguments? Can you point to single one?

Can't make this sh!t up.

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:His lack of conscience, tone deaf worship of wealth and accumulation and apparent lack of moral compass bother me. This is the exact thing Marx warned about. Greedy people letting their last for money go out of control and becoming enslaved by an inanimate object with no real value.

Marks is a Man... but Lenin, Mao, and Stalin enhanced his ideas even better.
Using his teaching they enslaved hundreds of millions to serve ideas which have great values on their own.
Sad this people rebel and screw them over. We need to try it in America... may be it will work this time?

We have already established you have less than zero understanding of Marx, Orwell or socialism. The comment above wasn't about Trump, it was about you. You lust for wealth has created the type of mindset that is devoid of any morals and/or scruples. I find you truly repulsive and nauseating. I will not debate anything with you, I have no intention of legitimizing your drivel by doing so.

Truth is nauseating.
You are too personal.
I am not some celebrity to talk about me.
I never call you out by any means as it is not polite for the standards of modern civilization.
I know you are from some stone age place so I have no issues with you personally.
It takes time to adjust to the world were people can debate anything freely and all opinions are accepted.
Hopefully your children will adapt and became normal modern people.

Yes because calling me stone age and non adaptable is real polite. But you are right in that I am not trying to be polite with you either. And leave my children out if this.

This is not about me personally disliking you it's about me finding your stated position reprehensible and unconscionable. All I know about you is that you are an unverified self proclaimed Russian jew hiding behind a wall of anonymity and spewing propaganda. With nothing but your own personal "experience" to back it up.

Maybe your family was persecuted by the Russian Govt. I don't know your history, but you are the one who is being personal and it's about how you "feel" about socialism and Russia. You are incapable of coherent thought or articulation. And you cant stop conflating socialism with communist Russia because of your experience. This just shows that you take all mention of Russia personally and have no reasonable ability to have a discussion about it.

We did have a discussion about socialism or I tried to. But you didn't make a single point other than repeating the propaganda you were taught as a child. And you make it sound like you are speaking for how all Russians feel when I have provided far more trustworthy data that more than 55% would rather go back to the old ways. Yet we should just believe an anonymous poster on a message board as the ultimate representation of the Russian community.

Everyone is entitled to an informed opinion, ignorance and propaganda are not opinions worthy of consideration. Your inability to actually sort out the noise from the truth makes you unworthy of having an opinion.

Its a long post about me... Thank you for the attention to my persona.
Obviously I have to hide because from my experience one and ones family can get in trouble with people like you even in US when just expressing some opinion you would not like.
I am not directing my arguments to you. It is lost course.
I am trying to keep others informed and aware about dire consequences of leftism and populism. Ignorance and propaganda are the main weapons used the spread this diseases.
The trademark for this pundits is simple - instead of factual argument they will always use personality attacks as this is best detraction from factual discussion.

So now you are down to implying you need to keep your family safe from me?
And you have provided factual arguments? Can you point to single one?

Can't make this sh!t up.

No particular reason.
Just relying on my instincts... sharpen by 2000 years of experience of abuse and prosecution.
Better safe than sorry.

And yet he can't point to a single factual statement he has made. What a prize troll.

ramtour420 wrote:Alright, let's talk Russia. I was born in UssR in 1980. Free healthcare, free education, nearly impossible to get fired from your job. That's some security right there. Free housing if you live in a city, yes you have to wait like 10 years, but it's there. Maternity leave- 2 months before birth and 2 months after. You could take unpaid leave after birth for additional 10 months. Again, you cannot get fired for this. Let's talk pension payments. They were called different but here are some numbers: age 60 for males(after 25 years)55 for females(after 20 years)amount 80% of salary if you were working for min wage and about 45% at max salary( max salary for mere mortals was 120rubles, yes some had a larger salary but those were the exception. Get this, pension payments were made by your employer. You never paid anything from your salary.

Same here but in 1963... Started my college in 1980... Free education all the way plus 40 rubles pocket money - good for 20 dinners or 5 bottles of Vodka(which they were used for). Housing - 20 rubles for 2-bedroom apartment in Brooklyn Beach like block. Afghan War, empty shops, food-drops distributed in the office, iron curtain and KGB watching you closely. Kind of drink you live to the end and be happy if you get to your 50th. Then Peresroika and all sh...tbox fall apart without much noise and struggle. Then everyone realized that he/she was robbed in all possible ways and left with nothing to dry. Gangs and mafia came up swinging, all kind of nationalists wanted their own power to keep rubbing and abusing and they get it. Then Putin... boommm... rewind. Cool story...

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GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:His lack of conscience, tone deaf worship of wealth and accumulation and apparent lack of moral compass bother me. This is the exact thing Marx warned about. Greedy people letting their last for money go out of control and becoming enslaved by an inanimate object with no real value.

Marks is a Man... but Lenin, Mao, and Stalin enhanced his ideas even better.
Using his teaching they enslaved hundreds of millions to serve ideas which have great values on their own.
Sad this people rebel and screw them over. We need to try it in America... may be it will work this time?

I know you are kidding about trying it here but it is scary as it is exactly where the "progressive" movement will end up if its left to them. The progressive movement is lead by the communist radicals who think they can make it work with another try. I wonder how is Venezuela doing these days? Oh right it looks alot like the final days of the USSR. The policies are a death sentence for the people.

The saddest part is the failure of communism is not even taught in schools.
They do not learn about the millions murdered by Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Castro, Chavez and others. Instead these leaders are glorified! OMG!

Keep on telling about the things you have seen first hand. Perhaps one day, people will understand how damn good the American ideal was and still is.

What are some examples of proposals that progressives are making that are dangerously close to communism?

Horrors such as free universal health care! I hope we all never have to not worry about not being able to afford health care if we get ill- fear of death due to lack of money is the founding, cherished value that America was built on!

YEah sure it is free. Keep thinking that.

It's unbelievable! So many experts defending socialism who've never experienced socialism. I've already spoke in great lengths about the horrible effects of socialism and "free" healthcare, housing and food and the corruption behind it in South America. Keeps falling on death ears. oh well

gunsnewing wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:His lack of conscience, tone deaf worship of wealth and accumulation and apparent lack of moral compass bother me. This is the exact thing Marx warned about. Greedy people letting their last for money go out of control and becoming enslaved by an inanimate object with no real value.

Marks is a Man... but Lenin, Mao, and Stalin enhanced his ideas even better.
Using his teaching they enslaved hundreds of millions to serve ideas which have great values on their own.
Sad this people rebel and screw them over. We need to try it in America... may be it will work this time?

I know you are kidding about trying it here but it is scary as it is exactly where the "progressive" movement will end up if its left to them. The progressive movement is lead by the communist radicals who think they can make it work with another try. I wonder how is Venezuela doing these days? Oh right it looks alot like the final days of the USSR. The policies are a death sentence for the people.

The saddest part is the failure of communism is not even taught in schools.
They do not learn about the millions murdered by Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Castro, Chavez and others. Instead these leaders are glorified! OMG!

Keep on telling about the things you have seen first hand. Perhaps one day, people will understand how damn good the American ideal was and still is.

What are some examples of proposals that progressives are making that are dangerously close to communism?

Horrors such as free universal health care! I hope we all never have to not worry about not being able to afford health care if we get ill- fear of death due to lack of money is the founding, cherished value that America was built on!

YEah sure it is free. Keep thinking that.

It's unbelievable! So many experts defending socialism who've never experienced socialism. I've already spoke in great lengths about the horrible effects of socialism and "free" healthcare, housing and food and the corruption behind it in South America. Keeps falling on death ears. oh well

Thanks for your heroic struggle against universal health care that's free at the point of delivery - many people who develop cancer, heart conditions or have horrific accidents and can't afford treatment are greatful for your struggles. Maybe one day it will be you or someone you care about.

Aside from the fact you seem unable to differentiate between radically different kinds of socialism, Universal health care isn't even socialist - even right wing parties in Europe support it.

gunsnewing wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:His lack of conscience, tone deaf worship of wealth and accumulation and apparent lack of moral compass bother me. This is the exact thing Marx warned about. Greedy people letting their last for money go out of control and becoming enslaved by an inanimate object with no real value.

Marks is a Man... but Lenin, Mao, and Stalin enhanced his ideas even better.
Using his teaching they enslaved hundreds of millions to serve ideas which have great values on their own.
Sad this people rebel and screw them over. We need to try it in America... may be it will work this time?

I know you are kidding about trying it here but it is scary as it is exactly where the "progressive" movement will end up if its left to them. The progressive movement is lead by the communist radicals who think they can make it work with another try. I wonder how is Venezuela doing these days? Oh right it looks alot like the final days of the USSR. The policies are a death sentence for the people.

The saddest part is the failure of communism is not even taught in schools.
They do not learn about the millions murdered by Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Castro, Chavez and others. Instead these leaders are glorified! OMG!

Keep on telling about the things you have seen first hand. Perhaps one day, people will understand how damn good the American ideal was and still is.

What are some examples of proposals that progressives are making that are dangerously close to communism?

Horrors such as free universal health care! I hope we all never have to not worry about not being able to afford health care if we get ill- fear of death due to lack of money is the founding, cherished value that America was built on!

WOW of course on the surface free healthcare sounds great to you. It is intended to. What they don't tell you is what happens when $300mil to half a billion citizens inevitably get sick. You've had a taste of what happens with obamacare. Doctors speading 40hours a week fighting insurance companys who refuse to pay and give approval. 40hrs they used to spend with their patients face to face. Now you don't even know who your doctor is. You have to deal with a different one every visit. Explain your entire medical history every single time. Conflicting diagnosis and suggestions etc. If you are lucky to see your doctor you wait a long all day as he rushes through several patients before getting to you. Then he prescibes meds that insurance no longer covers. Followup and Appointments and procedures are no longer scheduled on the spot. They tell you they will call you and then never do. You call them and get a voicemail or constant busy signal. You are forced to go their in person. All the good doctors wind up quitting obamacare leaving patients with 2nd/3rd class doctors and care.

Of course obamacare is only the beginning. "Free" healthcare has so seriously ravished South American countries that they put off major surgeries for the following year. Here people lose it if they are told they have to wait a month. "Free" Healthcare is only one aspect of socialism that puts an entire nation in trillions of dollars in debt.

Of course "free" healthcare sounds great nut like gonygo said. Keep believing that if it makes you all warm and fuzzy inside.

Hmmm.. This exactly hove healthcare was in USSR.
Is it strange that the same solutions lead to the same results...

jrodmc wrote:

arkrud wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:His lack of conscience, tone deaf worship of wealth and accumulation and apparent lack of moral compass bother me. This is the exact thing Marx warned about. Greedy people letting their last for money go out of control and becoming enslaved by an inanimate object with no real value.

Marks is a Man... but Lenin, Mao, and Stalin enhanced his ideas even better.
Using his teaching they enslaved hundreds of millions to serve ideas which have great values on their own.
Sad this people rebel and screw them over. We need to try it in America... may be it will work this time?

I know you are kidding about trying it here but it is scary as it is exactly where the "progressive" movement will end up if its left to them. The progressive movement is lead by the communist radicals who think they can make it work with another try. I wonder how is Venezuela doing these days? Oh right it looks alot like the final days of the USSR. The policies are a death sentence for the people.

The saddest part is the failure of communism is not even taught in schools.
They do not learn about the millions murdered by Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Castro, Chavez and others. Instead these leaders are glorified! OMG!

Keep on telling about the things you have seen first hand. Perhaps one day, people will understand how damn good the American ideal was and still is.

What are some examples of proposals that progressives are making that are dangerously close to communism?

Horrors such as free universal health care! I hope we all never have to not worry about not being able to afford health care if we get ill- fear of death due to lack of money is the founding, cherished value that America was built on!

WOW of course on the surface free healthcare sounds great to you. It is intended to. What they don't tell you is what happens when $300mil to half a billion citizens inevitably get sick. You've had a taste of what happens with obamacare. Doctors speading 40hours a week fighting insurance companys who refuse to pay and give approval. 40hrs they used to spend with their patients face to face. Now you don't even know who your doctor is. You have to deal with a different one every visit. Explain your entire medical history every single time. Conflicting diagnosis and suggestions etc. If you are lucky to see your doctor you wait a long all day as he rushes through several patients before getting to you. Then he prescibes meds that insurance no longer covers. Followup and Appointments and procedures are no longer scheduled on the spot. They tell you they will call you and then never do. You call them and get a voicemail or constant busy signal. You are forced to go their in person. All the good doctors wind up quitting obamacare leaving patients with 2nd/3rd class doctors and care.

Of course obamacare is only the beginning. "Free" healthcare has so seriously ravished South American countries that they put off major surgeries for the following year. Here people lose it if they are told they have to wait a month. "Free" Healthcare is only one aspect of socialism that puts an entire nation in trillions of dollars in debt.

Of course "free" healthcare sounds great nut like gonygo said. Keep believing that if it makes you all warm and fuzzy inside.

Hmmm.. This exactly hove healthcare was in USSR.
Is it strange that the same solutions lead to the same results...

+1
I forget, what happened in 1989? All those people tore walls down because they just didn't appreciate the great life they had in the USSR? Or was it all just a right-wing conspiracy? Afghanistan didn't make a difference? Of course not.

Of course free healthcare sounds great when being peddled by a miscreant, unqualified POTUS who's never had to worry about healthcare in his life. Did Obama or his family ever have to wait 8 hours to get an MRI in a hospital? Did Mrs. Obama ever sweat over whether the crap they were getting about one of their daughters was coming from some sort of quack doctor? Of course not. No, i'm pretty sure law professors don't worry about the same sheehit us unwashed, uneducated rabble have to deal with.

Unreal. People posting commercials for the good ol' USSR. It's come to this.

I don't think you guys get it..Obamacare is for people without healthcare not the general population..Why do you care what type of service people who don't have healthcare have..Compare it to having nothing..The rest of the population have normal coverage thru their jobs or on their own..Some how you feel that the coverage provided to the 20/30 million who fell through the cracks are going to affect the healthcare of the 300 million other citizen who are covered by normal healthcare..WHY DO REPUBLICANS CARE SO MUCH ABOUT THE POOR/UNINSURED GETTING SUBSIDIZED HEALTHCARE????..It just pisses you off to see some one get help???..Thanksgiving turkey giveaways and soup kitchens must be for commies...

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

jrodmc wrote:

arkrud wrote:

gunsnewing wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:His lack of conscience, tone deaf worship of wealth and accumulation and apparent lack of moral compass bother me. This is the exact thing Marx warned about. Greedy people letting their last for money go out of control and becoming enslaved by an inanimate object with no real value.

Marks is a Man... but Lenin, Mao, and Stalin enhanced his ideas even better.
Using his teaching they enslaved hundreds of millions to serve ideas which have great values on their own.
Sad this people rebel and screw them over. We need to try it in America... may be it will work this time?

I know you are kidding about trying it here but it is scary as it is exactly where the "progressive" movement will end up if its left to them. The progressive movement is lead by the communist radicals who think they can make it work with another try. I wonder how is Venezuela doing these days? Oh right it looks alot like the final days of the USSR. The policies are a death sentence for the people.

The saddest part is the failure of communism is not even taught in schools.
They do not learn about the millions murdered by Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Castro, Chavez and others. Instead these leaders are glorified! OMG!

Keep on telling about the things you have seen first hand. Perhaps one day, people will understand how damn good the American ideal was and still is.

What are some examples of proposals that progressives are making that are dangerously close to communism?

Horrors such as free universal health care! I hope we all never have to not worry about not being able to afford health care if we get ill- fear of death due to lack of money is the founding, cherished value that America was built on!

WOW of course on the surface free healthcare sounds great to you. It is intended to. What they don't tell you is what happens when $300mil to half a billion citizens inevitably get sick. You've had a taste of what happens with obamacare. Doctors speading 40hours a week fighting insurance companys who refuse to pay and give approval. 40hrs they used to spend with their patients face to face. Now you don't even know who your doctor is. You have to deal with a different one every visit. Explain your entire medical history every single time. Conflicting diagnosis and suggestions etc. If you are lucky to see your doctor you wait a long all day as he rushes through several patients before getting to you. Then he prescibes meds that insurance no longer covers. Followup and Appointments and procedures are no longer scheduled on the spot. They tell you they will call you and then never do. You call them and get a voicemail or constant busy signal. You are forced to go their in person. All the good doctors wind up quitting obamacare leaving patients with 2nd/3rd class doctors and care.

Of course obamacare is only the beginning. "Free" healthcare has so seriously ravished South American countries that they put off major surgeries for the following year. Here people lose it if they are told they have to wait a month. "Free" Healthcare is only one aspect of socialism that puts an entire nation in trillions of dollars in debt.

Of course "free" healthcare sounds great nut like gonygo said. Keep believing that if it makes you all warm and fuzzy inside.

Hmmm.. This exactly hove healthcare was in USSR.
Is it strange that the same solutions lead to the same results...

+1
I forget, what happened in 1989? All those people tore walls down because they just didn't appreciate the great life they had in the USSR? Or was it all just a right-wing conspiracy? Afghanistan didn't make a difference? Of course not.

Of course free healthcare sounds great when being peddled by a miscreant, unqualified POTUS who's never had to worry about healthcare in his life. Did Obama or his family ever have to wait 8 hours to get an MRI in a hospital? Did Mrs. Obama ever sweat over whether the crap they were getting about one of their daughters was coming from some sort of quack doctor? Of course not. No, i'm pretty sure law professors don't worry about the same sheehit us unwashed, uneducated rabble have to deal with.

Unreal. People posting commercials for the good ol' USSR. It's come to this.

So Obamacare will take us to the roots you are trying to escape from in Communist USSR and Socialist South America..WOW

I don't think you guys get it..Obamacare is for people without healthcare not the general population..Why do you care what type of service people who don't have healthcare have..Compare it to having nothing..The rest of the population have normal coverage thru their jobs or on their own..Some how you feel that the coverage provided to the 20/30 million who fell through the cracks are going to affect the healthcare of the 300 million other citizen who are covered by normal healthcare..WHY DO REPUBLICANS CARE SO MUCH ABOUT THE POOR/UNINSURED GETTING SUBSIDIZED HEALTHCARE????..It just pisses you off to see some one get help???..Thanksgiving turkey giveaways and soup kitchens must be for commies...

There is nothing wrong about universal healthcare.
But implementation of it should not reduce the quality of medical treatments and should not increase the cost of insurance to the extend working people and companies cannot afford it.
Give me some examples when uninsured people were denied emergency room treatment, life saving surgery, life support medication, etc.?
It was hard on emergency room personal and hospitals financially and operationally to treat uninsured and it get better now.
Universal healthcare is inevitable in advanced society. We just need to get it right.
Obamacare is a step in right direction but not the first step but one in a chain of long term trend.
And it needs to be improved and cleaned up.
Was it a step in right direction - absolutely.
was it done right is to be seen.