arkrud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Welpee wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:His lack of conscience, tone deaf worship of wealth and accumulation and apparent lack of moral compass bother me. This is the exact thing Marx warned about. Greedy people letting their last for money go out of control and becoming enslaved by an inanimate object with no real value.

Marks is a Man... but Lenin, Mao, and Stalin enhanced his ideas even better.
Using his teaching they enslaved hundreds of millions to serve ideas which have great values on their own.
Sad this people rebel and screw them over. We need to try it in America... may be it will work this time?

I know you are kidding about trying it here but it is scary as it is exactly where the "progressive" movement will end up if its left to them. The progressive movement is lead by the communist radicals who think they can make it work with another try. I wonder how is Venezuela doing these days? Oh right it looks alot like the final days of the USSR. The policies are a death sentence for the people.

The saddest part is the failure of communism is not even taught in schools.
They do not learn about the millions murdered by Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Castro, Chavez and others. Instead these leaders are glorified! OMG!

Keep on telling about the things you have seen first hand. Perhaps one day, people will understand how damn good the American ideal was and still is.

What are some examples of proposals that progressives are making that are dangerously close to communism?

"The nation which forget its past has no future."
This is not me, its Winston Churchill...
We, Americans, are fortunate to have people emigrated from all over the world to tell the story of how the history went.
Not by the book and not by the propoganda but by personal experience.
This is a huge wealth of this nation.
A lot of brutal dictatorships emerged from innocent and humanitarian ideas when people forget one main thing -
No future prosperity can be build by taking anything from anybody by force.
No prosperity can be build by people who get wealth handed to them.
Wealth and success must be earned to stick and obtain value.
As per specific proposals we can discuss any one and some of them may be very well positive.
The main thing they should not be based on "take it from .... " or "give it to ..."
They should provide ways to increase the wealth of the society for all.

Even though "take it from..give it to" is essentially how most of these corporations are making insane amounts of profits? When Monsanto is allowed to patent an organic product and force farmers to not be able to reseed but have to purchase new seeds from them every season and they get the government to pass laws (via their powerful lobbyist) and have courts pass down rulings (with justices like Clarence Thomas who used to represent Monsanto) that grossly benefit their profit margin at the expense of the overall public good, that's not "take it from..give it to?"

Like I said previously (and nobody wants to address), why is it OK when corporations manipulate the system to line their pockets but conservatives have a fit if a poor person manipulates the system to get a extra $100 to feed their family?

Manipulation of the system by private party needs to be proven in court and handled by law.
If law is flowed public and media need to step up and compaign to improve it.
If the authoritarian government itself is manipulating with people lives and rights for whatever ideological reason there is nothing you can do.
And can you please be more specific what are that mystical "...their pockets"?
Can you name some specific person or group to get unlawful money and not being prosecuted?
And if yes lets bring it up.
Is no point to talk about some generic "corporations". Let talk about real once.

Did you not read "Monsanto" in my post? You're so focused on spitting out the talking points you're not even reading (or more importantly paying attention) anybody else's perspective. And how can it be proven in court or handled by law if both entities have strong ties to the corporations in question? Again MONSANTO.

Exactly. You can't say, "Well, the corporation didn't break the law" and these laws are written by and for the wealthy corporations.

Obviously corporations will break the law.
Then they will get prosecuted and will pay the penalties.
There are a bunch of idiots working in management so you can expect anything.
I mean what you want to do - put "corporation" in jail or close and fire all workers?
You make the "corporations" some kind of Dark Empire conquering the world.
This is pretty laughable.

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:Holfresh - https://www.mostdamagingwikileaks.com/
For links to the actual Wikileaks emails, just scroll down via the link above.

3. Hillary Clinton received money from and supported nations that she KNEW funded ISIS and terrorists

“...the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and other radical Sunni groups in the region.”
“Clintons should know better than to raise money from folks whose primary concern has been supporting the NIAC, a notorious supporter of the Radical Islamic Mullahs. "The Clinton’s have thrown principle out the window in exchange for cold hard cash...putting money ahead of principle.”
​
Hillary's Chief of Staff admits in the 2nd link that foreign interests sway Hillary to do what they want her to do (money for mandatory appearances). She also admits that the "Friend of Hillary" list is available and rentable to people who want to influence, but that it’s too sensitive to talk in email.
This leak shows Hillary knows Saudis and Qatar are funding ISIS, which is an enemy of the state. After knowing this, Hillary accepted tens of millions in donations from these terrorist-funding governments (of course they are getting something back in return). She also supported arms deals to them.
Saudi Arabia and Qatar commit horrible acts under Sharia law, including throwing gay people off of buildings, persecuting Christians, Jews, and atheists, and making it legal to rape and beat women. They are the leading funders of Hillary and her campaign through the Clinton Foundation.

9. Bribery: King of Morocco gave Clinton Foundation $12 million for a meeting with Hillary, 6 months later Morocco gets weapons

“condition upon which the Moroccans agreed to host the meeting was her participation. If hrc was not part if it, meeting was a non-starter. CGI also wasn't pushing for a meeting in Morocco and it wasn't their first choice. This was HRC's idea, our office approached the Moroccans and they 100 percent believe they are doing this at her request. The King has personally committed approx $12 million both for the endowment and to support the meeting.”
“She created this mess and she knows it… HRC said she’s still considering.”
​
This is AFTER her candidacy announcement!
Very important e-mail in that it demonstrates Hillary's poor judgement (her idea) in the face of influence money and foreshadows how a Clinton Administration would be indebted to bad actors and criminal regimes.
The "same issues we discussed" mentioned by Robbie Mook in this email is a veiled reference to Morocco's many human rights abuses.
Her campaign staff is rightly concerned about the optics of the Clinton Foundation/Clinton Global Initiative accepting huge sums of money from a regime that so frequently violates international law and acts in a way that you'd expect the Clinton Foundation to publicly rebuke.
It seems $12 million is just too much money to allow morals, ethics, and the best interests and values of American citizens to intervene.
The Intercept explores how Morocco is exploiting Hillary's weakness for huge donations, and her desire to be President, to support their own geopolitical interests.

15. Bill Clinton receives $1 million "birthday gift" from ISIS-funding Qatar while Hillary was SoS, Qatar receives arms flow increases of 1,482%

“Would like to see WJC "for five minutes" in NYC, to present $1 million check that Qatar promised for WJC's birthday in 2011.”
​
Just another examples of breaking the law. Also remember from earlier: Hillary KNEW that Qatar funds ISIS. Why is the country funding ISIS giving money to Bill and paying for Hillary’s campaign. What are they getting in return?
In accordance with the Emoluments Clause of the U.S. Constitution, you may not accept anything of value from a foreign government, unless specifically authorized by Congress. This rule applies whether you are on or off duty. Any unit of a foreign government, whether it is national, state, local, or municipal level, is covered. It also applies to gifts from international or multinational organizations comprised of government representatives. It also may apply to gifts of honoraria, travel, or per diem from foreign universities, which are often considered as part of the foreign government. Spouses and dependent children of Federal employees are also banned from accepting gifts from foreign governments.

I'll just rebut one point because I know it's a waste of time and you don't believe facts..THE US HAS ALWAYS BEEN SELLING WEAPONS TO MOROCCO...The crazy thing is that I post evidence like this then you later say I think I'm never wrong without any proof to rebut the evidence I post..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Morocco%E2%80%93United_States_relations

1975–2006

In the 1970s, the United States made an effort to modernize Morocco's military to help with its conflict over Western Sahara. The United States focused particularly on Morocco's Royal Moroccan Air Force. Help from the United States was especially important when the Polisario deployed Soviet-built SA-6 surface-to-air missiles to counter the growing effectiveness of the Royal Moroccan Air Force.[26] However, The Carter Administration shackled military support and weapons sales to Morocco with pre-conditions, stating the U.S. would only trade military supplies with Morocco for the purpose of modernizing Morocco’s military, but not to assist with the conflict over Western Sahara. On the other hand, the Reagan Administration dropped all conditions in supporting the Moroccans, as the need for staging bases in North Africa for the Rapid Deployment Joint Task Force made access to Morocco's airfields strategically important.[26] Beginning with the George H. W. Bush Administration, the focus of the U.S. security assistance efforts in Morocco shifted to sustaining and maintaining U.S.-origin equipment in the Moroccan Armed Forces.[26]

In the 1980s and early 1990s, Morocco secured about 1 billion dollars annually from Saudi Arabia to purchase arms and supplies from the United States to fight the POLISARIO and defend its claim to Western Sahara.[32] In November 1986, the United States military conducted joint exercises with Morocco off Western Sahara’s Coast. In September 1987, the United States government sold Morocco 100 M-48A5 tanks, used for desert terrain.[33] During the late 1990s and early 2000s, the United States remained relatively silent on the issue, though it provided tacit support for Morocco.[34]

Do you mean no weapons were sold from 2007 till 2015 and then Hillary gets a $12,000,000 dollar donation from Morocco, and then we sell them a $157,000,000 Tomahawk weapons system?
Oh, I see your point. lol. If nothing else, we have a strong conflict of interests but probably corruption judging by her track record.
But the list goes on: Hillary Clinton Oversaw US Arms Deals to Clinton Foundation Donors http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/05/hillary-clinton-foundation-state-arms-deals

And what about receiving money from States funding terrorism? What about receiving money from States that kill and discriminate against women and gays, while pretending to be for them?
And what about her husband? It just don't end.

And here we are comparing war and death, corruption, etc. to a real estate school? Really?

It seems like you engage in a game of I'll find a statement on the internet, so prove it wrong..You don't care whether or not its fact..I presented you a historical timeline of the US relationship with Morroco and because I didn't post the engagement beyond 2007, you then say no weapons were traded..That is the game I said I had no interest in..You aren't interested in facts, just a way to play got ya and prove it's not so, game...

Economically, the United States and Morocco ratified a free trade agreement in 2005 which went into effect on January 1, 2006 and eliminates most tariffs. U.S. direct investment is about 7%, and U.S. aid to Morocco is about 4% of total aid given to Morocco.[22]

On December 22, 2009 the United States government awarded Lockheed Martin an $841.9 million contract to complete the production of 24 F-16 aircraft for Morocco. The contract added to an initial $233 million awarded to Lockheed Martin in June 2008 to begin production of the aircraft.[26]

Morocco and the United States coordinated efforts to minimize threats and expand cooperation on nuclear incident response in January 2010. The United States’ National Nuclear Security Administration (NNSA) partnered with Morocco’s National Center for Nuclear Energy, Science and Technologies for four days of training and demonstrations in Rabat, Morocco.

arkrud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Welpee wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:His lack of conscience, tone deaf worship of wealth and accumulation and apparent lack of moral compass bother me. This is the exact thing Marx warned about. Greedy people letting their last for money go out of control and becoming enslaved by an inanimate object with no real value.

Marks is a Man... but Lenin, Mao, and Stalin enhanced his ideas even better.
Using his teaching they enslaved hundreds of millions to serve ideas which have great values on their own.
Sad this people rebel and screw them over. We need to try it in America... may be it will work this time?

I know you are kidding about trying it here but it is scary as it is exactly where the "progressive" movement will end up if its left to them. The progressive movement is lead by the communist radicals who think they can make it work with another try. I wonder how is Venezuela doing these days? Oh right it looks alot like the final days of the USSR. The policies are a death sentence for the people.

The saddest part is the failure of communism is not even taught in schools.
They do not learn about the millions murdered by Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Castro, Chavez and others. Instead these leaders are glorified! OMG!

Keep on telling about the things you have seen first hand. Perhaps one day, people will understand how damn good the American ideal was and still is.

What are some examples of proposals that progressives are making that are dangerously close to communism?

"The nation which forget its past has no future."
This is not me, its Winston Churchill...
We, Americans, are fortunate to have people emigrated from all over the world to tell the story of how the history went.
Not by the book and not by the propoganda but by personal experience.
This is a huge wealth of this nation.
A lot of brutal dictatorships emerged from innocent and humanitarian ideas when people forget one main thing -
No future prosperity can be build by taking anything from anybody by force.
No prosperity can be build by people who get wealth handed to them.
Wealth and success must be earned to stick and obtain value.
As per specific proposals we can discuss any one and some of them may be very well positive.
The main thing they should not be based on "take it from .... " or "give it to ..."
They should provide ways to increase the wealth of the society for all.

Even though "take it from..give it to" is essentially how most of these corporations are making insane amounts of profits? When Monsanto is allowed to patent an organic product and force farmers to not be able to reseed but have to purchase new seeds from them every season and they get the government to pass laws (via their powerful lobbyist) and have courts pass down rulings (with justices like Clarence Thomas who used to represent Monsanto) that grossly benefit their profit margin at the expense of the overall public good, that's not "take it from..give it to?"

Like I said previously (and nobody wants to address), why is it OK when corporations manipulate the system to line their pockets but conservatives have a fit if a poor person manipulates the system to get a extra $100 to feed their family?

Manipulation of the system by private party needs to be proven in court and handled by law.
If law is flowed public and media need to step up and compaign to improve it.
If the authoritarian government itself is manipulating with people lives and rights for whatever ideological reason there is nothing you can do.
And can you please be more specific what are that mystical "...their pockets"?
Can you name some specific person or group to get unlawful money and not being prosecuted?
And if yes lets bring it up.
Is no point to talk about some generic "corporations". Let talk about real once.

Did you not read "Monsanto" in my post? You're so focused on spitting out the talking points you're not even reading (or more importantly paying attention) anybody else's perspective. And how can it be proven in court or handled by law if both entities have strong ties to the corporations in question? Again MONSANTO.

Exactly. You can't say, "Well, the corporation didn't break the law" and these laws are written by and for the wealthy corporations.

Obviously corporations will break the law.
Then they will get prosecuted and will pay the penalties.
There are a bunch of idiots working in management so you can expect anything.
I mean what you want to do - put "corporation" in jail or close and fire all workers?
You make the "corporations" some kind of Dark Empire conquering the world.
This is pretty laughable.

How are they going to get prosecuted and pay penalties if they actively invest money to lobby the law makers to tailor laws that benefit them and have people sitting on the courts who will rule in their favor? You want to talk about a rigged system. So basically what you're advocating is let corporations continue to both rip-off our citizens and negatively affect the public good just because they hire people? And this isn't just "a bunch of idiots working in management," this all starts at the top.

Again, more conservative irony. They complain about too many regulations and regulatory agencies, but these regulations and agencies exist because of corporate misdeeds. The FDA was created because food corporations were putting garbage in our foods making people sick and killing folks. The number of cases of food poisoning now versus before the FDA arrived is staggering. You really don't think corporations knew what they were doing? Read up on some of things the tobacco industry was doing. Same with environmental issues.

Corporations exist to make money and maximize profits and have proven over, and over, and over again that they don't care who or what suffers if it means making an extra dollar. And now we have one of them leading the free world.

You are obviously just trolling because there's no way you can truly be this uninformed.

Welpee wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Welpee wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:His lack of conscience, tone deaf worship of wealth and accumulation and apparent lack of moral compass bother me. This is the exact thing Marx warned about. Greedy people letting their last for money go out of control and becoming enslaved by an inanimate object with no real value.

Marks is a Man... but Lenin, Mao, and Stalin enhanced his ideas even better.
Using his teaching they enslaved hundreds of millions to serve ideas which have great values on their own.
Sad this people rebel and screw them over. We need to try it in America... may be it will work this time?

I know you are kidding about trying it here but it is scary as it is exactly where the "progressive" movement will end up if its left to them. The progressive movement is lead by the communist radicals who think they can make it work with another try. I wonder how is Venezuela doing these days? Oh right it looks alot like the final days of the USSR. The policies are a death sentence for the people.

The saddest part is the failure of communism is not even taught in schools.
They do not learn about the millions murdered by Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Castro, Chavez and others. Instead these leaders are glorified! OMG!

Keep on telling about the things you have seen first hand. Perhaps one day, people will understand how damn good the American ideal was and still is.

What are some examples of proposals that progressives are making that are dangerously close to communism?

"The nation which forget its past has no future."
This is not me, its Winston Churchill...
We, Americans, are fortunate to have people emigrated from all over the world to tell the story of how the history went.
Not by the book and not by the propoganda but by personal experience.
This is a huge wealth of this nation.
A lot of brutal dictatorships emerged from innocent and humanitarian ideas when people forget one main thing -
No future prosperity can be build by taking anything from anybody by force.
No prosperity can be build by people who get wealth handed to them.
Wealth and success must be earned to stick and obtain value.
As per specific proposals we can discuss any one and some of them may be very well positive.
The main thing they should not be based on "take it from .... " or "give it to ..."
They should provide ways to increase the wealth of the society for all.

Even though "take it from..give it to" is essentially how most of these corporations are making insane amounts of profits? When Monsanto is allowed to patent an organic product and force farmers to not be able to reseed but have to purchase new seeds from them every season and they get the government to pass laws (via their powerful lobbyist) and have courts pass down rulings (with justices like Clarence Thomas who used to represent Monsanto) that grossly benefit their profit margin at the expense of the overall public good, that's not "take it from..give it to?"

Like I said previously (and nobody wants to address), why is it OK when corporations manipulate the system to line their pockets but conservatives have a fit if a poor person manipulates the system to get a extra $100 to feed their family?

Manipulation of the system by private party needs to be proven in court and handled by law.
If law is flowed public and media need to step up and compaign to improve it.
If the authoritarian government itself is manipulating with people lives and rights for whatever ideological reason there is nothing you can do.
And can you please be more specific what are that mystical "...their pockets"?
Can you name some specific person or group to get unlawful money and not being prosecuted?
And if yes lets bring it up.
Is no point to talk about some generic "corporations". Let talk about real once.

Did you not read "Monsanto" in my post? You're so focused on spitting out the talking points you're not even reading (or more importantly paying attention) anybody else's perspective. And how can it be proven in court or handled by law if both entities have strong ties to the corporations in question? Again MONSANTO.

Exactly. You can't say, "Well, the corporation didn't break the law" and these laws are written by and for the wealthy corporations.

Obviously corporations will break the law.
Then they will get prosecuted and will pay the penalties.
There are a bunch of idiots working in management so you can expect anything.
I mean what you want to do - put "corporation" in jail or close and fire all workers?
You make the "corporations" some kind of Dark Empire conquering the world.
This is pretty laughable.

What's laughable is that you are apparently very naive.

How are they going to get prosecuted and pay penalties if they actively invest money to lobby the law makers to tailor laws that benefit them and have people sitting on the courts who will rule in their favor? You want to talk about a rigged system. So basically what you're advocating is let corporations continue to both rip-off our citizens and negatively affect the public good just because they hire people? And this isn't just "a bunch of idiots working in management," this all starts at the top.

Again, more conservative irony. They complain about too many regulations and regulatory agencies, but these regulations and agencies exist because of corporate misdeeds. The FDA was created because food corporations were putting garbage in our foods making people sick and killing folks. The number of cases of food poisoning now versus before the FDA arrived is staggering. You really don't think corporations knew what they were doing? Read up on some of things the tobacco industry was doing. Same with environmental issues.

Corporations exist to make money and maximize profits and have proven over, and over, and over again that they don't care who or what suffers if it means making an extra dollar. And now we have one of them leading the free world.

You are obviously just trolling because there's no way you can truly be this uninformed.

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

smackeddog wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:His lack of conscience, tone deaf worship of wealth and accumulation and apparent lack of moral compass bother me. This is the exact thing Marx warned about. Greedy people letting their last for money go out of control and becoming enslaved by an inanimate object with no real value.

Marks is a Man... but Lenin, Mao, and Stalin enhanced his ideas even better.
Using his teaching they enslaved hundreds of millions to serve ideas which have great values on their own.
Sad this people rebel and screw them over. We need to try it in America... may be it will work this time?

I know you are kidding about trying it here but it is scary as it is exactly where the "progressive" movement will end up if its left to them. The progressive movement is lead by the communist radicals who think they can make it work with another try. I wonder how is Venezuela doing these days? Oh right it looks alot like the final days of the USSR. The policies are a death sentence for the people.

The saddest part is the failure of communism is not even taught in schools.
They do not learn about the millions murdered by Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Castro, Chavez and others. Instead these leaders are glorified! OMG!

Keep on telling about the things you have seen first hand. Perhaps one day, people will understand how damn good the American ideal was and still is.

What are some examples of proposals that progressives are making that are dangerously close to communism?

Horrors such as free universal health care! I hope we all never have to not worry about not being able to afford health care if we get ill- fear of death due to lack of money is the founding, cherished value that America was built on!

YEah sure it is free. Keep thinking that.

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http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/id/18109715/gregg-popovich-convenes-san-antonio-town-hall-scholar-cornel-west-spurs-local-youth

Bonn1997 wrote:

holfresh wrote:http://www.wsj.com/articles/donald-trumps-foundation-engaged-in-self-dealing-irs-filing-shows-1479829984

Donald Trump’s Foundation Engaged in Self-Dealing, IRS Filing Shows

President-elect Donald Trump’s charitable foundation engaged in self-dealing in 2015 and prior years, the foundation said in an Internal Revenue Service filing.

And he managed to convince people that Hillary was the one who was corrupt. It's unbelievable.

Well let's see how he wiggles out of the Dec. 16th child rape case...He will probably settle on a Friday and EMS will say we can't talk about it because it's settled and he didn't admit guilt..But I think the plaintiff wants 100 million dollars...That's too much coin for the media to ignore..How does President Pence sound to you??..I'm more afraid of Pence..

Welpee wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

Welpee wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Welpee wrote:

arkrud wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

GoNyGoNyGo wrote:

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:His lack of conscience, tone deaf worship of wealth and accumulation and apparent lack of moral compass bother me. This is the exact thing Marx warned about. Greedy people letting their last for money go out of control and becoming enslaved by an inanimate object with no real value.

Marks is a Man... but Lenin, Mao, and Stalin enhanced his ideas even better.
Using his teaching they enslaved hundreds of millions to serve ideas which have great values on their own.
Sad this people rebel and screw them over. We need to try it in America... may be it will work this time?

I know you are kidding about trying it here but it is scary as it is exactly where the "progressive" movement will end up if its left to them. The progressive movement is lead by the communist radicals who think they can make it work with another try. I wonder how is Venezuela doing these days? Oh right it looks alot like the final days of the USSR. The policies are a death sentence for the people.

The saddest part is the failure of communism is not even taught in schools.
They do not learn about the millions murdered by Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Castro, Chavez and others. Instead these leaders are glorified! OMG!

Keep on telling about the things you have seen first hand. Perhaps one day, people will understand how damn good the American ideal was and still is.

What are some examples of proposals that progressives are making that are dangerously close to communism?

"The nation which forget its past has no future."
This is not me, its Winston Churchill...
We, Americans, are fortunate to have people emigrated from all over the world to tell the story of how the history went.
Not by the book and not by the propoganda but by personal experience.
This is a huge wealth of this nation.
A lot of brutal dictatorships emerged from innocent and humanitarian ideas when people forget one main thing -
No future prosperity can be build by taking anything from anybody by force.
No prosperity can be build by people who get wealth handed to them.
Wealth and success must be earned to stick and obtain value.
As per specific proposals we can discuss any one and some of them may be very well positive.
The main thing they should not be based on "take it from .... " or "give it to ..."
They should provide ways to increase the wealth of the society for all.

Even though "take it from..give it to" is essentially how most of these corporations are making insane amounts of profits? When Monsanto is allowed to patent an organic product and force farmers to not be able to reseed but have to purchase new seeds from them every season and they get the government to pass laws (via their powerful lobbyist) and have courts pass down rulings (with justices like Clarence Thomas who used to represent Monsanto) that grossly benefit their profit margin at the expense of the overall public good, that's not "take it from..give it to?"

Like I said previously (and nobody wants to address), why is it OK when corporations manipulate the system to line their pockets but conservatives have a fit if a poor person manipulates the system to get a extra $100 to feed their family?

Manipulation of the system by private party needs to be proven in court and handled by law.
If law is flowed public and media need to step up and compaign to improve it.
If the authoritarian government itself is manipulating with people lives and rights for whatever ideological reason there is nothing you can do.
And can you please be more specific what are that mystical "...their pockets"?
Can you name some specific person or group to get unlawful money and not being prosecuted?
And if yes lets bring it up.
Is no point to talk about some generic "corporations". Let talk about real once.

Did you not read "Monsanto" in my post? You're so focused on spitting out the talking points you're not even reading (or more importantly paying attention) anybody else's perspective. And how can it be proven in court or handled by law if both entities have strong ties to the corporations in question? Again MONSANTO.

Exactly. You can't say, "Well, the corporation didn't break the law" and these laws are written by and for the wealthy corporations.

Obviously corporations will break the law.
Then they will get prosecuted and will pay the penalties.
There are a bunch of idiots working in management so you can expect anything.
I mean what you want to do - put "corporation" in jail or close and fire all workers?
You make the "corporations" some kind of Dark Empire conquering the world.
This is pretty laughable.

What's laughable is that you are apparently very naive.

How are they going to get prosecuted and pay penalties if they actively invest money to lobby the law makers to tailor laws that benefit them and have people sitting on the courts who will rule in their favor? You want to talk about a rigged system. So basically what you're advocating is let corporations continue to both rip-off our citizens and negatively affect the public good just because they hire people? And this isn't just "a bunch of idiots working in management," this all starts at the top.

Again, more conservative irony. They complain about too many regulations and regulatory agencies, but these regulations and agencies exist because of corporate misdeeds. The FDA was created because food corporations were putting garbage in our foods making people sick and killing folks. The number of cases of food poisoning now versus before the FDA arrived is staggering. You really don't think corporations knew what they were doing? Read up on some of things the tobacco industry was doing. Same with environmental issues.

Corporations exist to make money and maximize profits and have proven over, and over, and over again that they don't care who or what suffers if it means making an extra dollar. And now we have one of them leading the free world.

You are obviously just trolling because there's no way you can truly be this uninformed.

Corporations do exist but they are just a form of organization to produce goods and services.
Some for profit and some not.
Some privately own, some public, some government owned.
Some big and some little.
Some may be predatory and some may be charitable.
It is not about the "corporation" but abut who own and run them.
If corporation is run by criminals and corrupt governments it will be criminal.
If corporation is run by innovators and humanitarians it is honorable.
Not sure how you can make some form of organization into evil.
I may be naive but your view is some extreme simplification and generalization.
And any simplification and generalization cannot help in identifying and solving any issues which are always very specific.