earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

Bonn1997 wrote:

She is up 1.7 million more popular votes and still 7 million to count...How does America say 2+million more votes doesn't matter??

It means she won the popular vote, which doesn't mean anything when becoming president.
She lost the electoral vote. Maybe we need to revisit that, as has been spoken about, but for this election, that ship has sailed.

If rules of the game will change and the players will reenter the game they will use the new rules from let go.
Only then we will be able to see who will win.
And if this rules will change it will be many separate elections in many countries.
So the point is mute.

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Just like the vote Trump and co will shock again

Just sit back and listen to the inane obtuse ideas coming out of the mouths of the people not comprehending what this is all about. Trump is about nationalism Trump will rebuild infrastructure create millions of good paying jobs lower taxes while we see GDP growth rise up to 3.5-4.5% we will begin to lower our deficit and there will be many with cake on their faces but atleast they'll have a job!

The deficit is 587 billion thanks to Obama...Not much worries there..You must be talking about the debt..Trump's plan would add 6 trillion dollars to our 19.8 trillion dollar debt..That is an intentional increase of 30% by one man...Wall Street is giddy because they are about to get paid...One guy who doesn't think this is funny is bond king Bill Gross, who ran PIMCO for many years, now at Janus..He sees zero stimulus just like the Bush years...Companies are doing massive repurchasing to stock as we speak, why didn't they use that money to expand and "create more jobs" as Trump and other trickle down gurus are suggesting..This will be just another boondoggle that favors Wall Street...And trust me, I don't mind one bit, I just hate seeing middle class America being fed a load of BS...

He is Bill Gross on Trump's plan...

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000568635

I do not in anyway think the mc is being fed BS.

At the end of 2015, close to 380 of largest companies in the US have been buying back 160 billion dollars of stock per quarter...They already have mucho money...So they are all of a sudden going to say, hey look at more money, let's create jobs, yeah right...How can you spell BIG FAT BONUSES...Meanwhile our debt gets blown to proportions that may never to return to flat again in our lifetime...Trump has shown everyone who he is for 70 years of his life..He is going to change now..ok, Brooklyn Bridge for sale...And if they don't have money, you can borrow at historically low rates...10 yr just climbed above 2% last week...

http://www.factset.com/websitefiles/PDFs/buyback/buyback_9.20.16#page=1&zoom=auto,-193,798

I saw an old interview with Trump from at least 20 years or so back and he was asked about running for President. He said he couldn't see it happening unless things continued with being so bad (or something like that). Now, even though he (and many others) have become rich via this system (and not necessarily breaking the law, just using the loopholes, etc.) the writing is on the wall - If this continues, we all perish.

Now sure, maybe he is lying, but I think most people see this clearly (except the globalists), if the path we are on continues, we are going to be the slaves in the master slave relationship.

Lots of people wake up, perhaps he accomplished what he set out to do and now he see's the system is broken and drastic measures are needed to fix it. Maybe he is lying, but I don't get that feeling. Time will tell.

I'm just not the kind of person to lose hope, if that is even the right word. As I've said before, as esoteric as it might sound to some, to me it is common sense - We are a part of a larger system and what we see happening right now is a reflection of that system - correction. Fingers crossed and ready to take part in making things right.

But who are you putting your hopes in...Is he not the proverbial "Fox in the hen house"...He is a proven thief multiple times over that we know of..He has deceived people time and time again, as a career principle...The tax cut and repatriation is a gimmick used to enrich those in power...My worry is that the real problem isn't being addressed..Bernie Sanders and Trump evade the truth during this election..The problem is that automation and technology has totally change how we work and live...This is the real reason for job loss..I can load you up on stats to prove my point..We have to address how to get those out of work new careers and educate the population differently..Trump and Sanders seized on massive job loss for their own political gain..Those jobs aren't coming back..We will now lose another half decade in addressing this problem..

To further illustrate my point on tax cut/repatriation...

http://www.cbpp.org/research/repatriation-tax-holiday-would-lose-revenue-and-is-a-proven-policy-failure
Here is an excerpt from Center on Budget Policy and Priorities..

Some policymakers are promoting another “repatriation tax holiday” to encourage multinational corporations to bring overseas profits back to the United States by offering them a temporary, very low tax rate on those profits. In particular, some have described a repatriation holiday as a “win-win” that would boost corporate investment and create jobs in the United States and also generate a tax windfall to help finance needed infrastructure spending. In reality, a repatriation tax holiday would accomplish neither goal and instead would worsen the nation’s fiscal and economic problems over time.

A repatriation tax holiday would lose substantial federal revenue and swell budget deficits, so it couldn’t pay for highways, mass transit, or anything else. Congress’ Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) recently estimated that, while a second repatriation holiday (following the one enacted in 2004) would raise revenue for the first two years, it would cost $96 billion over ten years. Thus, rather than use the tax holiday to finance long-term infrastructure projects, the Treasury would have to borrow to pay for the tax holiday and then borrow again to pay for the infrastructure. (For more, see “Repatriation Holiday Costs Money So Can’t Offset Other Costs,” below.)
The 2004 tax holiday did not produce the promised economic benefits, and a second one likely wouldn’t either. Firms largely used the profits that they repatriated during the 2004 holiday not to invest or create U.S. jobs but for the very purposes that Congress sought to prohibit, such as repurchasing their own stock and paying bigger dividends to shareholders. Moreover, many firms laid off large numbers of U.S. workers even as they reaped multi-billion-dollar benefits from the tax holiday and passed them on to shareholders. The top 15 repatriating corporations repatriated more than $150 billion during the holiday while cuttingtheir U.S. workforces by 21,000 between 2004 and 2007, a Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations report found.[2] (For more, see “2004 Tax Holiday Failed to Generate Promised Economic Benefits,” below.)

Almost 80% of US economy is internal consumption.
US economy is strong because we spend as consumers more that anybody in the world.
By doing this we automatically forcing the expansion in infrastructure to support this consumption.
We also creating enormous amount of wealth in residential and commercial real estate and infrastructure networks.
This wealth required maintenance so we can employ more people with the sole goal to have them spend all money they earn again.
At the same time we are printing and selling $$$ for the whole bunch of messy counties to them to have some stable money exchange mechanism. To support the $$$ value we employ millions of solders and maintain military power.
US is sucking the blood of the world pretty dam good.
So all this little caveats about local taxes are just a destruction from the big picture how we as a country are dominating the world.

So where is your proof or examples of write-ups showing the money will get to those who will spend?

I don't care where money goes. Its all Brown partials movement.
I look at people of what country have more security , prosperity, social safety net, and public order and stability.
Who is personally pure or reach is personal achievement or fault.

The fact that you are saying you don't care where the money goes or does is showing a lack of understanding of how the economy works, as you try to show why it's important for the rich to have a concentration of the wealth...Retail Sales spur the economy...China and many other country run their economy by exporting goods to US consumers..If the general public doesn't have money, the global economy will suffer...The rich(1%) don't spur the economy..

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Just like the vote Trump and co will shock again

Just sit back and listen to the inane obtuse ideas coming out of the mouths of the people not comprehending what this is all about. Trump is about nationalism Trump will rebuild infrastructure create millions of good paying jobs lower taxes while we see GDP growth rise up to 3.5-4.5% we will begin to lower our deficit and there will be many with cake on their faces but atleast they'll have a job!

The deficit is 587 billion thanks to Obama...Not much worries there..You must be talking about the debt..Trump's plan would add 6 trillion dollars to our 19.8 trillion dollar debt..That is an intentional increase of 30% by one man...Wall Street is giddy because they are about to get paid...One guy who doesn't think this is funny is bond king Bill Gross, who ran PIMCO for many years, now at Janus..He sees zero stimulus just like the Bush years...Companies are doing massive repurchasing to stock as we speak, why didn't they use that money to expand and "create more jobs" as Trump and other trickle down gurus are suggesting..This will be just another boondoggle that favors Wall Street...And trust me, I don't mind one bit, I just hate seeing middle class America being fed a load of BS...

He is Bill Gross on Trump's plan...

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000568635

I do not in anyway think the mc is being fed BS.

At the end of 2015, close to 380 of largest companies in the US have been buying back 160 billion dollars of stock per quarter...They already have mucho money...So they are all of a sudden going to say, hey look at more money, let's create jobs, yeah right...How can you spell BIG FAT BONUSES...Meanwhile our debt gets blown to proportions that may never to return to flat again in our lifetime...Trump has shown everyone who he is for 70 years of his life..He is going to change now..ok, Brooklyn Bridge for sale...And if they don't have money, you can borrow at historically low rates...10 yr just climbed above 2% last week...

http://www.factset.com/websitefiles/PDFs/buyback/buyback_9.20.16#page=1&zoom=auto,-193,798

I saw an old interview with Trump from at least 20 years or so back and he was asked about running for President. He said he couldn't see it happening unless things continued with being so bad (or something like that). Now, even though he (and many others) have become rich via this system (and not necessarily breaking the law, just using the loopholes, etc.) the writing is on the wall - If this continues, we all perish.

Now sure, maybe he is lying, but I think most people see this clearly (except the globalists), if the path we are on continues, we are going to be the slaves in the master slave relationship.

Lots of people wake up, perhaps he accomplished what he set out to do and now he see's the system is broken and drastic measures are needed to fix it. Maybe he is lying, but I don't get that feeling. Time will tell.

I'm just not the kind of person to lose hope, if that is even the right word. As I've said before, as esoteric as it might sound to some, to me it is common sense - We are a part of a larger system and what we see happening right now is a reflection of that system - correction. Fingers crossed and ready to take part in making things right.

But who are you putting your hopes in...Is he not the proverbial "Fox in the hen house"...He is a proven thief multiple times over that we know of..He has deceived people time and time again, as a career principle...The tax cut and repatriation is a gimmick used to enrich those in power...My worry is that the real problem isn't being addressed..Bernie Sanders and Trump evade the truth during this election..The problem is that automation and technology has totally change how we work and live...This is the real reason for job loss..I can load you up on stats to prove my point..We have to address how to get those out of work new careers and educate the population differently..Trump and Sanders seized on massive job loss for their own political gain..Those jobs aren't coming back..We will now lose another half decade in addressing this problem..

To further illustrate my point on tax cut/repatriation...

http://www.cbpp.org/research/repatriation-tax-holiday-would-lose-revenue-and-is-a-proven-policy-failure
Here is an excerpt from Center on Budget Policy and Priorities paper on repatriation and tax..

Some policymakers are promoting another “repatriation tax holiday” to encourage multinational corporations to bring overseas profits back to the United States by offering them a temporary, very low tax rate on those profits. In particular, some have described a repatriation holiday as a “win-win” that would boost corporate investment and create jobs in the United States and also generate a tax windfall to help finance needed infrastructure spending. In reality, a repatriation tax holiday would accomplish neither goal and instead would worsen the nation’s fiscal and economic problems over time.

A repatriation tax holiday would lose substantial federal revenue and swell budget deficits, so it couldn’t pay for highways, mass transit, or anything else. Congress’ Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) recently estimated that, while a second repatriation holiday (following the one enacted in 2004) would raise revenue for the first two years, it would cost $96 billion over ten years. Thus, rather than use the tax holiday to finance long-term infrastructure projects, the Treasury would have to borrow to pay for the tax holiday and then borrow again to pay for the infrastructure. (For more, see “Repatriation Holiday Costs Money So Can’t Offset Other Costs,” below.)
The 2004 tax holiday did not produce the promised economic benefits, and a second one likely wouldn’t either. Firms largely used the profits that they repatriated during the 2004 holiday not to invest or create U.S. jobs but for the very purposes that Congress sought to prohibit, such as repurchasing their own stock and paying bigger dividends to shareholders. Moreover, many firms laid off large numbers of U.S. workers even as they reaped multi-billion-dollar benefits from the tax holiday and passed them on to shareholders. The top 15 repatriating corporations repatriated more than $150 billion during the holiday while cuttingtheir U.S. workforces by 21,000 between 2004 and 2007, a Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations report found.[2] (For more, see “2004 Tax Holiday Failed to Generate Promised Economic Benefits,” below.)

I guess I'm putting my hopes on Trump, but not 100%. I think he will clean things up and inspire people to be better and do what is right for everyone.
Now, what you said about Trump is just a statement. I could easily say Clinton has done that, that her Clinton Foundation is a slush fund (bribery - pay to play) and that she is pro war. So, I'll take Trumps "shortcomings", I just am not sure they are a big worry to me. Understand he is going to be closely watched (as would Clinton).

Trump took advantage of all the loopholes, and as Akrud said, that is what a good businessman does. Bankruptcy is often a strategy and not an outright failure, though sometimes it is that too.
I just think we should give the guy a chance.

I have mentioned his shortcomings but, in particular you, never give any shortcomings with Hillary. It was her actual shortcomings that got me (and many others) to want (or vote for) a Trump presidency. So, seriously, something to think about. If you message is just anti-Trump, well, that is your message and we have bigger concerns.

I think I've made nice with Dr. A, worked on repairing my relationship with Bonn , etc. But I'm not sure how this board/thread can be productive if it is just Pepsi vs Coke.?
"Where do we go now?"

What you view as Trump's shortcomings I view as disqualifications...You can't bilk people at Trump "University" and be president, that's not a shortcoming and it's a non-starter..You can't set up and operate a fake Foundation that isn't registered and pay bribes using other people's(Foundation) money...That's not a short coming...A short coming is the chick on the side or not showing up for your kids recitals...

The whole email scandal was stupid..Colin Powell did it and Condelessa Rice did it and no one is hauling them in front of Congress..The Foundation accusations was stupid as well as they paid out 90% of all monies...Trump is openingly expanding business in India after he was elected and you don't think it's pay for play or any of the sort..And it's far worse..He is President to be...

You are trying to normalize sexual harassment, and larceny of a foundation, walking in on naked 15 year olds at a beauty pageant..You are calling these things shortcomings..

You can't bring up a settled lawsuit where no guilt was admitted. Seems like you are reaching.
Hillary has already shown us she likes war and those wikileaks show clear signs of corruption in the forum of Quid Pro Quo (Comey, Podesta and Clinton) and a lot of other questions there too.
The Clinton Foundation, which is looking more and more like a Pay to Play slush fund. I mean the timing of things is clear - She gets millions from a State and then that state gets something back.
That is a whole other level than what you are talking about with Trump. Trump University Vs. Pay to Play with States that Sponsor terrorism? lol, really?

Wikileaks basically helped to stop a war, nothing stupid about that.

Sexual Harrasment, you mean those cases that mostly came up around election time and were dropped or like with Bill Clinton that have been going on for years.

Oh yeah, is also suddenly a racist.

Again Holfresh, where do we go? Where are you taking this? You just want more division, that is all you do?

I'm not into the word games..If we are having a discussion and you can't admit paying a 25 million settlement for cheating students out of their money, is a problem, then what's left to discuss??..If you can't admit to his sexual harassment problems, after he admitted the very act on video, then what can I say...

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Just like the vote Trump and co will shock again

Just sit back and listen to the inane obtuse ideas coming out of the mouths of the people not comprehending what this is all about. Trump is about nationalism Trump will rebuild infrastructure create millions of good paying jobs lower taxes while we see GDP growth rise up to 3.5-4.5% we will begin to lower our deficit and there will be many with cake on their faces but atleast they'll have a job!

The deficit is 587 billion thanks to Obama...Not much worries there..You must be talking about the debt..Trump's plan would add 6 trillion dollars to our 19.8 trillion dollar debt..That is an intentional increase of 30% by one man...Wall Street is giddy because they are about to get paid...One guy who doesn't think this is funny is bond king Bill Gross, who ran PIMCO for many years, now at Janus..He sees zero stimulus just like the Bush years...Companies are doing massive repurchasing to stock as we speak, why didn't they use that money to expand and "create more jobs" as Trump and other trickle down gurus are suggesting..This will be just another boondoggle that favors Wall Street...And trust me, I don't mind one bit, I just hate seeing middle class America being fed a load of BS...

He is Bill Gross on Trump's plan...

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000568635

I do not in anyway think the mc is being fed BS.

At the end of 2015, close to 380 of largest companies in the US have been buying back 160 billion dollars of stock per quarter...They already have mucho money...So they are all of a sudden going to say, hey look at more money, let's create jobs, yeah right...How can you spell BIG FAT BONUSES...Meanwhile our debt gets blown to proportions that may never to return to flat again in our lifetime...Trump has shown everyone who he is for 70 years of his life..He is going to change now..ok, Brooklyn Bridge for sale...And if they don't have money, you can borrow at historically low rates...10 yr just climbed above 2% last week...

http://www.factset.com/websitefiles/PDFs/buyback/buyback_9.20.16#page=1&zoom=auto,-193,798

I saw an old interview with Trump from at least 20 years or so back and he was asked about running for President. He said he couldn't see it happening unless things continued with being so bad (or something like that). Now, even though he (and many others) have become rich via this system (and not necessarily breaking the law, just using the loopholes, etc.) the writing is on the wall - If this continues, we all perish.

Now sure, maybe he is lying, but I think most people see this clearly (except the globalists), if the path we are on continues, we are going to be the slaves in the master slave relationship.

Lots of people wake up, perhaps he accomplished what he set out to do and now he see's the system is broken and drastic measures are needed to fix it. Maybe he is lying, but I don't get that feeling. Time will tell.

I'm just not the kind of person to lose hope, if that is even the right word. As I've said before, as esoteric as it might sound to some, to me it is common sense - We are a part of a larger system and what we see happening right now is a reflection of that system - correction. Fingers crossed and ready to take part in making things right.

But who are you putting your hopes in...Is he not the proverbial "Fox in the hen house"...He is a proven thief multiple times over that we know of..He has deceived people time and time again, as a career principle...The tax cut and repatriation is a gimmick used to enrich those in power...My worry is that the real problem isn't being addressed..Bernie Sanders and Trump evade the truth during this election..The problem is that automation and technology has totally change how we work and live...This is the real reason for job loss..I can load you up on stats to prove my point..We have to address how to get those out of work new careers and educate the population differently..Trump and Sanders seized on massive job loss for their own political gain..Those jobs aren't coming back..We will now lose another half decade in addressing this problem..

To further illustrate my point on tax cut/repatriation...

http://www.cbpp.org/research/repatriation-tax-holiday-would-lose-revenue-and-is-a-proven-policy-failure
Here is an excerpt from Center on Budget Policy and Priorities paper on repatriation and tax..

Some policymakers are promoting another “repatriation tax holiday” to encourage multinational corporations to bring overseas profits back to the United States by offering them a temporary, very low tax rate on those profits. In particular, some have described a repatriation holiday as a “win-win” that would boost corporate investment and create jobs in the United States and also generate a tax windfall to help finance needed infrastructure spending. In reality, a repatriation tax holiday would accomplish neither goal and instead would worsen the nation’s fiscal and economic problems over time.

A repatriation tax holiday would lose substantial federal revenue and swell budget deficits, so it couldn’t pay for highways, mass transit, or anything else. Congress’ Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) recently estimated that, while a second repatriation holiday (following the one enacted in 2004) would raise revenue for the first two years, it would cost $96 billion over ten years. Thus, rather than use the tax holiday to finance long-term infrastructure projects, the Treasury would have to borrow to pay for the tax holiday and then borrow again to pay for the infrastructure. (For more, see “Repatriation Holiday Costs Money So Can’t Offset Other Costs,” below.)
The 2004 tax holiday did not produce the promised economic benefits, and a second one likely wouldn’t either. Firms largely used the profits that they repatriated during the 2004 holiday not to invest or create U.S. jobs but for the very purposes that Congress sought to prohibit, such as repurchasing their own stock and paying bigger dividends to shareholders. Moreover, many firms laid off large numbers of U.S. workers even as they reaped multi-billion-dollar benefits from the tax holiday and passed them on to shareholders. The top 15 repatriating corporations repatriated more than $150 billion during the holiday while cuttingtheir U.S. workforces by 21,000 between 2004 and 2007, a Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations report found.[2] (For more, see “2004 Tax Holiday Failed to Generate Promised Economic Benefits,” below.)

I guess I'm putting my hopes on Trump, but not 100%. I think he will clean things up and inspire people to be better and do what is right for everyone.
Now, what you said about Trump is just a statement. I could easily say Clinton has done that, that her Clinton Foundation is a slush fund (bribery - pay to play) and that she is pro war. So, I'll take Trumps "shortcomings", I just am not sure they are a big worry to me. Understand he is going to be closely watched (as would Clinton).

Trump took advantage of all the loopholes, and as Akrud said, that is what a good businessman does. Bankruptcy is often a strategy and not an outright failure, though sometimes it is that too.
I just think we should give the guy a chance.

I have mentioned his shortcomings but, in particular you, never give any shortcomings with Hillary. It was her actual shortcomings that got me (and many others) to want (or vote for) a Trump presidency. So, seriously, something to think about. If you message is just anti-Trump, well, that is your message and we have bigger concerns.

I think I've made nice with Dr. A, worked on repairing my relationship with Bonn , etc. But I'm not sure how this board/thread can be productive if it is just Pepsi vs Coke.?
"Where do we go now?"

What you view as Trump's shortcomings I view as disqualifications...You can't bilk people at Trump "University" and be president, that's not a shortcoming and it's a non-starter..You can't set up and operate a fake Foundation that isn't registered and pay bribes using other people's(Foundation) money...That's not a short coming...A short coming is the chick on the side or not showing up for your kids recitals...

The whole email scandal was stupid..Colin Powell did it and Condelessa Rice did it and no one is hauling them in front of Congress..The Foundation accusations was stupid as well as they paid out 90% of all monies...Trump is openingly expanding business in India after he was elected and you don't think it's pay for play or any of the sort..And it's far worse..He is President to be...

You are trying to normalize sexual harassment, and larceny of a foundation, walking in on naked 15 year olds at a beauty pageant..You are calling these things shortcomings..

You can't bring up a settled lawsuit where no guilt was admitted. Seems like you are reaching.
Hillary has already shown us she likes war and those wikileaks show clear signs of corruption in the forum of Quid Pro Quo (Comey, Podesta and Clinton) and a lot of other questions there too.
The Clinton Foundation, which is looking more and more like a Pay to Play slush fund. I mean the timing of things is clear - She gets millions from a State and then that state gets something back.
That is a whole other level than what you are talking about with Trump. Trump University Vs. Pay to Play with States that Sponsor terrorism? lol, really?

Wikileaks basically helped to stop a war, nothing stupid about that.

Sexual Harrasment, you mean those cases that mostly came up around election time and were dropped or like with Bill Clinton that have been going on for years.

Oh yeah, is also suddenly a racist.

Again Holfresh, where do we go? Where are you taking this? You just want more division, that is all you do?

I'm not into the word games..If we are having a discussion and you can't admit paying a 25 million settlement for cheating students out of their money, is a problem, then what's left to discuss??..If you can't admit to his sexual harassment problems, after he admitted the very act on video, then what can I say...

No word game. Class action lawsuits happen all the time. It doesn't mean "The company is evil", so I'm not sure what the big deal is here. Same for bankruptcy. It is settled. Again, you are reaching into something that is already closed and nothing illegal happened. As for Clinton? Well, the party is just starting.

What Clinton did that the Wikileaks point to (and at times while she was SOS!) - accepting hundreds of millions in a Clinton Foundation pay to play bribery game, is just sick. And you want to talk about a lawsuit at a real estate investment school? Really? This is laughable. It is like going after kids running a lemonaid stand and not paying taxes, while the Mafia is operating a criminal enterprise across the street.

As Trump said of the Clinton Foundation "It’s a criminal enterprise, and so many people know it."

You want to talk about sexual harrassment? How about Hillary accepting MILLIONS from Qatar and Saudi Arabia. You do know how they treat gays and women there?

We chose the right person for president.

3rd time Holfresh - Where do you want this to go?

Shows the weakness of your intellectual integrity..Qatar and Saudi Arabia are allies of the US...But the Clinton should hold them by a different standard..How about how Trump treats women, forget Saudi Arabia..Trump says he never settles a law suit, Never..Now he settles and you are trying to brush it under the rug and say lets talk about other things??

And who is we, a majority of Americans chose Hillary..System is rigged...

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Just like the vote Trump and co will shock again

Just sit back and listen to the inane obtuse ideas coming out of the mouths of the people not comprehending what this is all about. Trump is about nationalism Trump will rebuild infrastructure create millions of good paying jobs lower taxes while we see GDP growth rise up to 3.5-4.5% we will begin to lower our deficit and there will be many with cake on their faces but atleast they'll have a job!

The deficit is 587 billion thanks to Obama...Not much worries there..You must be talking about the debt..Trump's plan would add 6 trillion dollars to our 19.8 trillion dollar debt..That is an intentional increase of 30% by one man...Wall Street is giddy because they are about to get paid...One guy who doesn't think this is funny is bond king Bill Gross, who ran PIMCO for many years, now at Janus..He sees zero stimulus just like the Bush years...Companies are doing massive repurchasing to stock as we speak, why didn't they use that money to expand and "create more jobs" as Trump and other trickle down gurus are suggesting..This will be just another boondoggle that favors Wall Street...And trust me, I don't mind one bit, I just hate seeing middle class America being fed a load of BS...

He is Bill Gross on Trump's plan...

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000568635

I do not in anyway think the mc is being fed BS.

At the end of 2015, close to 380 of largest companies in the US have been buying back 160 billion dollars of stock per quarter...They already have mucho money...So they are all of a sudden going to say, hey look at more money, let's create jobs, yeah right...How can you spell BIG FAT BONUSES...Meanwhile our debt gets blown to proportions that may never to return to flat again in our lifetime...Trump has shown everyone who he is for 70 years of his life..He is going to change now..ok, Brooklyn Bridge for sale...And if they don't have money, you can borrow at historically low rates...10 yr just climbed above 2% last week...

http://www.factset.com/websitefiles/PDFs/buyback/buyback_9.20.16#page=1&zoom=auto,-193,798

I saw an old interview with Trump from at least 20 years or so back and he was asked about running for President. He said he couldn't see it happening unless things continued with being so bad (or something like that). Now, even though he (and many others) have become rich via this system (and not necessarily breaking the law, just using the loopholes, etc.) the writing is on the wall - If this continues, we all perish.

Now sure, maybe he is lying, but I think most people see this clearly (except the globalists), if the path we are on continues, we are going to be the slaves in the master slave relationship.

Lots of people wake up, perhaps he accomplished what he set out to do and now he see's the system is broken and drastic measures are needed to fix it. Maybe he is lying, but I don't get that feeling. Time will tell.

I'm just not the kind of person to lose hope, if that is even the right word. As I've said before, as esoteric as it might sound to some, to me it is common sense - We are a part of a larger system and what we see happening right now is a reflection of that system - correction. Fingers crossed and ready to take part in making things right.

But who are you putting your hopes in...Is he not the proverbial "Fox in the hen house"...He is a proven thief multiple times over that we know of..He has deceived people time and time again, as a career principle...The tax cut and repatriation is a gimmick used to enrich those in power...My worry is that the real problem isn't being addressed..Bernie Sanders and Trump evade the truth during this election..The problem is that automation and technology has totally change how we work and live...This is the real reason for job loss..I can load you up on stats to prove my point..We have to address how to get those out of work new careers and educate the population differently..Trump and Sanders seized on massive job loss for their own political gain..Those jobs aren't coming back..We will now lose another half decade in addressing this problem..

To further illustrate my point on tax cut/repatriation...

http://www.cbpp.org/research/repatriation-tax-holiday-would-lose-revenue-and-is-a-proven-policy-failure
Here is an excerpt from Center on Budget Policy and Priorities..

Some policymakers are promoting another “repatriation tax holiday” to encourage multinational corporations to bring overseas profits back to the United States by offering them a temporary, very low tax rate on those profits. In particular, some have described a repatriation holiday as a “win-win” that would boost corporate investment and create jobs in the United States and also generate a tax windfall to help finance needed infrastructure spending. In reality, a repatriation tax holiday would accomplish neither goal and instead would worsen the nation’s fiscal and economic problems over time.

A repatriation tax holiday would lose substantial federal revenue and swell budget deficits, so it couldn’t pay for highways, mass transit, or anything else. Congress’ Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) recently estimated that, while a second repatriation holiday (following the one enacted in 2004) would raise revenue for the first two years, it would cost $96 billion over ten years. Thus, rather than use the tax holiday to finance long-term infrastructure projects, the Treasury would have to borrow to pay for the tax holiday and then borrow again to pay for the infrastructure. (For more, see “Repatriation Holiday Costs Money So Can’t Offset Other Costs,” below.)
The 2004 tax holiday did not produce the promised economic benefits, and a second one likely wouldn’t either. Firms largely used the profits that they repatriated during the 2004 holiday not to invest or create U.S. jobs but for the very purposes that Congress sought to prohibit, such as repurchasing their own stock and paying bigger dividends to shareholders. Moreover, many firms laid off large numbers of U.S. workers even as they reaped multi-billion-dollar benefits from the tax holiday and passed them on to shareholders. The top 15 repatriating corporations repatriated more than $150 billion during the holiday while cuttingtheir U.S. workforces by 21,000 between 2004 and 2007, a Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations report found.[2] (For more, see “2004 Tax Holiday Failed to Generate Promised Economic Benefits,” below.)

Almost 80% of US economy is internal consumption.
US economy is strong because we spend as consumers more that anybody in the world.
By doing this we automatically forcing the expansion in infrastructure to support this consumption.
We also creating enormous amount of wealth in residential and commercial real estate and infrastructure networks.
This wealth required maintenance so we can employ more people with the sole goal to have them spend all money they earn again.
At the same time we are printing and selling $$$ for the whole bunch of messy counties to them to have some stable money exchange mechanism. To support the $$$ value we employ millions of solders and maintain military power.
US is sucking the blood of the world pretty dam good.
So all this little caveats about local taxes are just a destruction from the big picture how we as a country are dominating the world.

So where is your proof or examples of write-ups showing the money will get to those who will spend?

I don't care where money goes. Its all Brown partials movement.
I look at people of what country have more security , prosperity, social safety net, and public order and stability.
Who is personally pure or reach is personal achievement or fault.

The fact that you are saying you don't care where the money goes or does is showing a lack of understanding of how the economy works, as you try to show why it's important for the rich to have a concentration of the wealth...Retail Sales spur the economy...China and many other country run their economy by exporting goods to US consumers..If the general public doesn't have money, the global economy will suffer...The rich(1%) don't spur the economy..

The 1% is personally consuming more that average person which is good by itself.
But most of their wealth is invested in corporations which employ majority of people and produce more wealth as well as guarantied income for all workers. Same true about cache which is working to get materials ans resources to support this corporations.
This is the order of the world. When people attempted to disrupt it very bad things occurred.
There is presently no better system found so why break what is working?

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

arkrud wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Just like the vote Trump and co will shock again

Just sit back and listen to the inane obtuse ideas coming out of the mouths of the people not comprehending what this is all about. Trump is about nationalism Trump will rebuild infrastructure create millions of good paying jobs lower taxes while we see GDP growth rise up to 3.5-4.5% we will begin to lower our deficit and there will be many with cake on their faces but atleast they'll have a job!

The deficit is 587 billion thanks to Obama...Not much worries there..You must be talking about the debt..Trump's plan would add 6 trillion dollars to our 19.8 trillion dollar debt..That is an intentional increase of 30% by one man...Wall Street is giddy because they are about to get paid...One guy who doesn't think this is funny is bond king Bill Gross, who ran PIMCO for many years, now at Janus..He sees zero stimulus just like the Bush years...Companies are doing massive repurchasing to stock as we speak, why didn't they use that money to expand and "create more jobs" as Trump and other trickle down gurus are suggesting..This will be just another boondoggle that favors Wall Street...And trust me, I don't mind one bit, I just hate seeing middle class America being fed a load of BS...

He is Bill Gross on Trump's plan...

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000568635

I do not in anyway think the mc is being fed BS.

At the end of 2015, close to 380 of largest companies in the US have been buying back 160 billion dollars of stock per quarter...They already have mucho money...So they are all of a sudden going to say, hey look at more money, let's create jobs, yeah right...How can you spell BIG FAT BONUSES...Meanwhile our debt gets blown to proportions that may never to return to flat again in our lifetime...Trump has shown everyone who he is for 70 years of his life..He is going to change now..ok, Brooklyn Bridge for sale...And if they don't have money, you can borrow at historically low rates...10 yr just climbed above 2% last week...

http://www.factset.com/websitefiles/PDFs/buyback/buyback_9.20.16#page=1&zoom=auto,-193,798

I saw an old interview with Trump from at least 20 years or so back and he was asked about running for President. He said he couldn't see it happening unless things continued with being so bad (or something like that). Now, even though he (and many others) have become rich via this system (and not necessarily breaking the law, just using the loopholes, etc.) the writing is on the wall - If this continues, we all perish.

Now sure, maybe he is lying, but I think most people see this clearly (except the globalists), if the path we are on continues, we are going to be the slaves in the master slave relationship.

Lots of people wake up, perhaps he accomplished what he set out to do and now he see's the system is broken and drastic measures are needed to fix it. Maybe he is lying, but I don't get that feeling. Time will tell.

I'm just not the kind of person to lose hope, if that is even the right word. As I've said before, as esoteric as it might sound to some, to me it is common sense - We are a part of a larger system and what we see happening right now is a reflection of that system - correction. Fingers crossed and ready to take part in making things right.

But who are you putting your hopes in...Is he not the proverbial "Fox in the hen house"...He is a proven thief multiple times over that we know of..He has deceived people time and time again, as a career principle...The tax cut and repatriation is a gimmick used to enrich those in power...My worry is that the real problem isn't being addressed..Bernie Sanders and Trump evade the truth during this election..The problem is that automation and technology has totally change how we work and live...This is the real reason for job loss..I can load you up on stats to prove my point..We have to address how to get those out of work new careers and educate the population differently..Trump and Sanders seized on massive job loss for their own political gain..Those jobs aren't coming back..We will now lose another half decade in addressing this problem..

To further illustrate my point on tax cut/repatriation...

http://www.cbpp.org/research/repatriation-tax-holiday-would-lose-revenue-and-is-a-proven-policy-failure
Here is an excerpt from Center on Budget Policy and Priorities..

Some policymakers are promoting another “repatriation tax holiday” to encourage multinational corporations to bring overseas profits back to the United States by offering them a temporary, very low tax rate on those profits. In particular, some have described a repatriation holiday as a “win-win” that would boost corporate investment and create jobs in the United States and also generate a tax windfall to help finance needed infrastructure spending. In reality, a repatriation tax holiday would accomplish neither goal and instead would worsen the nation’s fiscal and economic problems over time.

A repatriation tax holiday would lose substantial federal revenue and swell budget deficits, so it couldn’t pay for highways, mass transit, or anything else. Congress’ Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) recently estimated that, while a second repatriation holiday (following the one enacted in 2004) would raise revenue for the first two years, it would cost $96 billion over ten years. Thus, rather than use the tax holiday to finance long-term infrastructure projects, the Treasury would have to borrow to pay for the tax holiday and then borrow again to pay for the infrastructure. (For more, see “Repatriation Holiday Costs Money So Can’t Offset Other Costs,” below.)
The 2004 tax holiday did not produce the promised economic benefits, and a second one likely wouldn’t either. Firms largely used the profits that they repatriated during the 2004 holiday not to invest or create U.S. jobs but for the very purposes that Congress sought to prohibit, such as repurchasing their own stock and paying bigger dividends to shareholders. Moreover, many firms laid off large numbers of U.S. workers even as they reaped multi-billion-dollar benefits from the tax holiday and passed them on to shareholders. The top 15 repatriating corporations repatriated more than $150 billion during the holiday while cuttingtheir U.S. workforces by 21,000 between 2004 and 2007, a Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations report found.[2] (For more, see “2004 Tax Holiday Failed to Generate Promised Economic Benefits,” below.)

Almost 80% of US economy is internal consumption.
US economy is strong because we spend as consumers more that anybody in the world.
By doing this we automatically forcing the expansion in infrastructure to support this consumption.
We also creating enormous amount of wealth in residential and commercial real estate and infrastructure networks.
This wealth required maintenance so we can employ more people with the sole goal to have them spend all money they earn again.
At the same time we are printing and selling $$$ for the whole bunch of messy counties to them to have some stable money exchange mechanism. To support the $$$ value we employ millions of solders and maintain military power.
US is sucking the blood of the world pretty dam good.
So all this little caveats about local taxes are just a destruction from the big picture how we as a country are dominating the world.

So where is your proof or examples of write-ups showing the money will get to those who will spend?

I don't care where money goes. Its all Brown partials movement.
I look at people of what country have more security , prosperity, social safety net, and public order and stability.
Who is personally pure or reach is personal achievement or fault.

The fact that you are saying you don't care where the money goes or does is showing a lack of understanding of how the economy works, as you try to show why it's important for the rich to have a concentration of the wealth...Retail Sales spur the economy...China and many other country run their economy by exporting goods to US consumers..If the general public doesn't have money, the global economy will suffer...The rich(1%) don't spur the economy..

The 1% is personally consuming more that average person which is good by itself.
But most of their wealth is invested in corporations which employ majority of people and produce more wealth as well as guarantied income for all workers. Same true about cache which is working to get materials ans resources to support this corporations.
This is the order of the world. When people attempted to disrupt it very bad things occurred.
There is presently no better system found so why break what is working?

Do you understand the concept of 1%, it literally means 1%..Do you think 1% of the population consume more than 99% of the population??..Do you think Gucci is bigger than Walmart??.The fact that wages are stagnant is the disruption not that more wealth is concentrated at the top...You are thinking American always existed this way where wealth is concentrated at the top 1% and you are wrong..What you don't understand is the profits for the last three quarters have declined as compared to recent years and the stock market isn't sustainable without the middle class...There isn't enough of the 1% to consume all the goods being sold in America...

No one is against rich people having money..There has to be a viable way for the average American to have his/her wages increase as well..

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

earthmansurfer wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:

holfresh wrote:

BRIGGS wrote:Just like the vote Trump and co will shock again

Just sit back and listen to the inane obtuse ideas coming out of the mouths of the people not comprehending what this is all about. Trump is about nationalism Trump will rebuild infrastructure create millions of good paying jobs lower taxes while we see GDP growth rise up to 3.5-4.5% we will begin to lower our deficit and there will be many with cake on their faces but atleast they'll have a job!

The deficit is 587 billion thanks to Obama...Not much worries there..You must be talking about the debt..Trump's plan would add 6 trillion dollars to our 19.8 trillion dollar debt..That is an intentional increase of 30% by one man...Wall Street is giddy because they are about to get paid...One guy who doesn't think this is funny is bond king Bill Gross, who ran PIMCO for many years, now at Janus..He sees zero stimulus just like the Bush years...Companies are doing massive repurchasing to stock as we speak, why didn't they use that money to expand and "create more jobs" as Trump and other trickle down gurus are suggesting..This will be just another boondoggle that favors Wall Street...And trust me, I don't mind one bit, I just hate seeing middle class America being fed a load of BS...

He is Bill Gross on Trump's plan...

http://video.cnbc.com/gallery/?video=3000568635

I do not in anyway think the mc is being fed BS.

At the end of 2015, close to 380 of largest companies in the US have been buying back 160 billion dollars of stock per quarter...They already have mucho money...So they are all of a sudden going to say, hey look at more money, let's create jobs, yeah right...How can you spell BIG FAT BONUSES...Meanwhile our debt gets blown to proportions that may never to return to flat again in our lifetime...Trump has shown everyone who he is for 70 years of his life..He is going to change now..ok, Brooklyn Bridge for sale...And if they don't have money, you can borrow at historically low rates...10 yr just climbed above 2% last week...

http://www.factset.com/websitefiles/PDFs/buyback/buyback_9.20.16#page=1&zoom=auto,-193,798

I saw an old interview with Trump from at least 20 years or so back and he was asked about running for President. He said he couldn't see it happening unless things continued with being so bad (or something like that). Now, even though he (and many others) have become rich via this system (and not necessarily breaking the law, just using the loopholes, etc.) the writing is on the wall - If this continues, we all perish.

Now sure, maybe he is lying, but I think most people see this clearly (except the globalists), if the path we are on continues, we are going to be the slaves in the master slave relationship.

Lots of people wake up, perhaps he accomplished what he set out to do and now he see's the system is broken and drastic measures are needed to fix it. Maybe he is lying, but I don't get that feeling. Time will tell.

I'm just not the kind of person to lose hope, if that is even the right word. As I've said before, as esoteric as it might sound to some, to me it is common sense - We are a part of a larger system and what we see happening right now is a reflection of that system - correction. Fingers crossed and ready to take part in making things right.

But who are you putting your hopes in...Is he not the proverbial "Fox in the hen house"...He is a proven thief multiple times over that we know of..He has deceived people time and time again, as a career principle...The tax cut and repatriation is a gimmick used to enrich those in power...My worry is that the real problem isn't being addressed..Bernie Sanders and Trump evade the truth during this election..The problem is that automation and technology has totally change how we work and live...This is the real reason for job loss..I can load you up on stats to prove my point..We have to address how to get those out of work new careers and educate the population differently..Trump and Sanders seized on massive job loss for their own political gain..Those jobs aren't coming back..We will now lose another half decade in addressing this problem..

To further illustrate my point on tax cut/repatriation...

http://www.cbpp.org/research/repatriation-tax-holiday-would-lose-revenue-and-is-a-proven-policy-failure
Here is an excerpt from Center on Budget Policy and Priorities paper on repatriation and tax..

Some policymakers are promoting another “repatriation tax holiday” to encourage multinational corporations to bring overseas profits back to the United States by offering them a temporary, very low tax rate on those profits. In particular, some have described a repatriation holiday as a “win-win” that would boost corporate investment and create jobs in the United States and also generate a tax windfall to help finance needed infrastructure spending. In reality, a repatriation tax holiday would accomplish neither goal and instead would worsen the nation’s fiscal and economic problems over time.

A repatriation tax holiday would lose substantial federal revenue and swell budget deficits, so it couldn’t pay for highways, mass transit, or anything else. Congress’ Joint Committee on Taxation (JCT) recently estimated that, while a second repatriation holiday (following the one enacted in 2004) would raise revenue for the first two years, it would cost $96 billion over ten years. Thus, rather than use the tax holiday to finance long-term infrastructure projects, the Treasury would have to borrow to pay for the tax holiday and then borrow again to pay for the infrastructure. (For more, see “Repatriation Holiday Costs Money So Can’t Offset Other Costs,” below.)
The 2004 tax holiday did not produce the promised economic benefits, and a second one likely wouldn’t either. Firms largely used the profits that they repatriated during the 2004 holiday not to invest or create U.S. jobs but for the very purposes that Congress sought to prohibit, such as repurchasing their own stock and paying bigger dividends to shareholders. Moreover, many firms laid off large numbers of U.S. workers even as they reaped multi-billion-dollar benefits from the tax holiday and passed them on to shareholders. The top 15 repatriating corporations repatriated more than $150 billion during the holiday while cuttingtheir U.S. workforces by 21,000 between 2004 and 2007, a Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations report found.[2] (For more, see “2004 Tax Holiday Failed to Generate Promised Economic Benefits,” below.)

I guess I'm putting my hopes on Trump, but not 100%. I think he will clean things up and inspire people to be better and do what is right for everyone.
Now, what you said about Trump is just a statement. I could easily say Clinton has done that, that her Clinton Foundation is a slush fund (bribery - pay to play) and that she is pro war. So, I'll take Trumps "shortcomings", I just am not sure they are a big worry to me. Understand he is going to be closely watched (as would Clinton).

Trump took advantage of all the loopholes, and as Akrud said, that is what a good businessman does. Bankruptcy is often a strategy and not an outright failure, though sometimes it is that too.
I just think we should give the guy a chance.

I have mentioned his shortcomings but, in particular you, never give any shortcomings with Hillary. It was her actual shortcomings that got me (and many others) to want (or vote for) a Trump presidency. So, seriously, something to think about. If you message is just anti-Trump, well, that is your message and we have bigger concerns.

I think I've made nice with Dr. A, worked on repairing my relationship with Bonn , etc. But I'm not sure how this board/thread can be productive if it is just Pepsi vs Coke.?
"Where do we go now?"

What you view as Trump's shortcomings I view as disqualifications...You can't bilk people at Trump "University" and be president, that's not a shortcoming and it's a non-starter..You can't set up and operate a fake Foundation that isn't registered and pay bribes using other people's(Foundation) money...That's not a short coming...A short coming is the chick on the side or not showing up for your kids recitals...

The whole email scandal was stupid..Colin Powell did it and Condelessa Rice did it and no one is hauling them in front of Congress..The Foundation accusations was stupid as well as they paid out 90% of all monies...Trump is openingly expanding business in India after he was elected and you don't think it's pay for play or any of the sort..And it's far worse..He is President to be...

You are trying to normalize sexual harassment, and larceny of a foundation, walking in on naked 15 year olds at a beauty pageant..You are calling these things shortcomings..

You can't bring up a settled lawsuit where no guilt was admitted. Seems like you are reaching.
Hillary has already shown us she likes war and those wikileaks show clear signs of corruption in the forum of Quid Pro Quo (Comey, Podesta and Clinton) and a lot of other questions there too.
The Clinton Foundation, which is looking more and more like a Pay to Play slush fund. I mean the timing of things is clear - She gets millions from a State and then that state gets something back.
That is a whole other level than what you are talking about with Trump. Trump University Vs. Pay to Play with States that Sponsor terrorism? lol, really?

Wikileaks basically helped to stop a war, nothing stupid about that.

Sexual Harrasment, you mean those cases that mostly came up around election time and were dropped or like with Bill Clinton that have been going on for years.

Oh yeah, is also suddenly a racist.

Again Holfresh, where do we go? Where are you taking this? You just want more division, that is all you do?

I'm not into the word games..If we are having a discussion and you can't admit paying a 25 million settlement for cheating students out of their money, is a problem, then what's left to discuss??..If you can't admit to his sexual harassment problems, after he admitted the very act on video, then what can I say...

No word game. Class action lawsuits happen all the time. It doesn't mean "The company is evil", so I'm not sure what the big deal is here. Same for bankruptcy. It is settled. Again, you are reaching into something that is already closed and nothing illegal happened. As for Clinton? Well, the party is just starting.

What Clinton did that the Wikileaks point to (and at times while she was SOS!) - accepting hundreds of millions in a Clinton Foundation pay to play bribery game, is just sick. And you want to talk about a lawsuit at a real estate investment school? Really? This is laughable. It is like going after kids running a lemonaid stand and not paying taxes, while the Mafia is operating a criminal enterprise across the street.

As Trump said of the Clinton Foundation "It’s a criminal enterprise, and so many people know it."

You want to talk about sexual harrassment? How about Hillary accepting MILLIONS from Qatar and Saudi Arabia. You do know how they treat gays and women there?

We chose the right person for president.

3rd time Holfresh - Where do you want this to go?

Shows the weakness of your intellectual integrity..Qatar and Saudi Arabia are allies of the US...But the Clinton should hold them by a different standard..How about how Trump treats women, forget Saudi Arabia..Trump says he never settles a law suit, Never..Now he settles and you are trying to brush it under the rug and say lets talk about other things??

And who is we, a majority of Americans chose Hillary..System is rigged...

4th time - Where do you want this to go? You are living in a world where nothing you say is wrong. Not sure the point in discussing anything with you.

Right..I thought we came to that conclusion a while back..

earthmansurfer wrote:Holfresh - https://www.mostdamagingwikileaks.com/
For links to the actual Wikileaks emails, just scroll down via the link above.

3. Hillary Clinton received money from and supported nations that she KNEW funded ISIS and terrorists

“...the governments of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, which are providing clandestine financial and logistic support to ISIL and other radical Sunni groups in the region.”
“Clintons should know better than to raise money from folks whose primary concern has been supporting the NIAC, a notorious supporter of the Radical Islamic Mullahs. "The Clinton’s have thrown principle out the window in exchange for cold hard cash...putting money ahead of principle.”
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Hillary's Chief of Staff admits in the 2nd link that foreign interests sway Hillary to do what they want her to do (money for mandatory appearances). She also admits that the "Friend of Hillary" list is available and rentable to people who want to influence, but that it’s too sensitive to talk in email.
This leak shows Hillary knows Saudis and Qatar are funding ISIS, which is an enemy of the state. After knowing this, Hillary accepted tens of millions in donations from these terrorist-funding governments (of course they are getting something back in return). She also supported arms deals to them.
Saudi Arabia and Qatar commit horrible acts under Sharia law, including throwing gay people off of buildings, persecuting Christians, Jews, and atheists, and making it legal to rape and beat women. They are the leading funders of Hillary and her campaign through the Clinton Foundation.

9. Bribery: King of Morocco gave Clinton Foundation $12 million for a meeting with Hillary, 6 months later Morocco gets weapons

“condition upon which the Moroccans agreed to host the meeting was her participation. If hrc was not part if it, meeting was a non-starter. CGI also wasn't pushing for a meeting in Morocco and it wasn't their first choice. This was HRC's idea, our office approached the Moroccans and they 100 percent believe they are doing this at her request. The King has personally committed approx $12 million both for the endowment and to support the meeting.”
“She created this mess and she knows it… HRC said she’s still considering.”
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This is AFTER her candidacy announcement!
Very important e-mail in that it demonstrates Hillary's poor judgement (her idea) in the face of influence money and foreshadows how a Clinton Administration would be indebted to bad actors and criminal regimes.
The "same issues we discussed" mentioned by Robbie Mook in this email is a veiled reference to Morocco's many human rights abuses.
Her campaign staff is rightly concerned about the optics of the Clinton Foundation/Clinton Global Initiative accepting huge sums of money from a regime that so frequently violates international law and acts in a way that you'd expect the Clinton Foundation to publicly rebuke.
It seems $12 million is just too much money to allow morals, ethics, and the best interests and values of American citizens to intervene.
The Intercept explores how Morocco is exploiting Hillary's weakness for huge donations, and her desire to be President, to support their own geopolitical interests.

15. Bill Clinton receives $1 million "birthday gift" from ISIS-funding Qatar while Hillary was SoS, Qatar receives arms flow increases of 1,482%

“Would like to see WJC "for five minutes" in NYC, to present $1 million check that Qatar promised for WJC's birthday in 2011.”
​
Just another examples of breaking the law. Also remember from earlier: Hillary KNEW that Qatar funds ISIS. Why is the country funding ISIS giving money to Bill and paying for Hillary’s campaign. What are they getting in return?
In accordance with the Emoluments Clause of the U.S. Constitution, you may not accept anything of value from a foreign government, unless specifically authorized by Congress. This rule applies whether you are on or off duty. Any unit of a foreign government, whether it is national, state, local, or municipal level, is covered. It also applies to gifts from international or multinational organizations comprised of government representatives. It also may apply to gifts of honoraria, travel, or per diem from foreign universities, which are often considered as part of the foreign government. Spouses and dependent children of Federal employees are also banned from accepting gifts from foreign governments.

In the 1970s, the United States made an effort to modernize Morocco's military to help with its conflict over Western Sahara. The United States focused particularly on Morocco's Royal Moroccan Air Force. Help from the United States was especially important when the Polisario deployed Soviet-built SA-6 surface-to-air missiles to counter the growing effectiveness of the Royal Moroccan Air Force.[26] However, The Carter Administration shackled military support and weapons sales to Morocco with pre-conditions, stating the U.S. would only trade military supplies with Morocco for the purpose of modernizing Morocco’s military, but not to assist with the conflict over Western Sahara. On the other hand, the Reagan Administration dropped all conditions in supporting the Moroccans, as the need for staging bases in North Africa for the Rapid Deployment Joint Task Force made access to Morocco's airfields strategically important.[26] Beginning with the George H. W. Bush Administration, the focus of the U.S. security assistance efforts in Morocco shifted to sustaining and maintaining U.S.-origin equipment in the Moroccan Armed Forces.[26]

In the 1980s and early 1990s, Morocco secured about 1 billion dollars annually from Saudi Arabia to purchase arms and supplies from the United States to fight the POLISARIO and defend its claim to Western Sahara.[32] In November 1986, the United States military conducted joint exercises with Morocco off Western Sahara’s Coast. In September 1987, the United States government sold Morocco 100 M-48A5 tanks, used for desert terrain.[33] During the late 1990s and early 2000s, the United States remained relatively silent on the issue, though it provided tacit support for Morocco.[34]

arkrud wrote:

meloshouldgo wrote:His lack of conscience, tone deaf worship of wealth and accumulation and apparent lack of moral compass bother me. This is the exact thing Marx warned about. Greedy people letting their last for money go out of control and becoming enslaved by an inanimate object with no real value.

Marks is a Man... but Lenin, Mao, and Stalin enhanced his ideas even better.
Using his teaching they enslaved hundreds of millions to serve ideas which have great values on their own.
Sad this people rebel and screw them over. We need to try it in America... may be it will work this time?

The saddest part is the failure of communism is not even taught in schools.
They do not learn about the millions murdered by Stalin, Lenin, Mao, Castro, Chavez and others. Instead these leaders are glorified! OMG!

Keep on telling about the things you have seen first hand. Perhaps one day, people will understand how damn good the American ideal was and still is.